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Re: N900 vs Iphone.

The way you answer makes it real damn hard to reply to...

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So how do you transfer files between your iphone and a wifi less device? Even the n900 has wifi and you can use wifi to transfer files between two wifi devices. But i am talking about an additional feature which has been blocked by apple deliberately.

How do you transfer files to a phone without bluetooth transfer? Not all phones support that - this isn't exclusive to the iPhone either. To center around one small *** feature is frustrating as hell.

You want OBEX. Great for you.

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Again the n900 can take advantage of google maps. Ovi maps is in addition to google maps. Why is it so hard for you to understand that the n900 already has what you are talking about and my point is that the iphone does not have in built maps without the need for data usage. For example you are in remote area where there is no cellular service just open the maps application instead of using google maps with insane roaming data charges. Again i want to to remind that the n900 has both maemo mapper and also can use the web browser for directions

Is it location aware? It's not Google Maps as in google.com/maps - this is an application that pulls in the apps, and layers on top of it location aware tracking, movement - I can see my car move as I drive on the map (dead serious).

Google maps as you're describing on the N900. Can it do that? Can the N900 say "you're here" and then show me routes? No. I have to tell it, via the browser - which I can also do on the iPhone - where I am, and then where I want to go with zero updates as to where I am.

The iPhone Map app does tell me where I am, where I'm going, what is North/South, and directions therein.

I've yet to hit a place without coverage... and I'm in a pretty damn remote area myself. So... until then... I can't answer your question. It would be the same if you're in an area that's a GPS deadspot. They also exist.

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Seriously how can i explain to you. I dont understand what you are trying to prove. I will try again. The iphone works on 850/1900/2100 bands for 3G access. This is used only by AT&T. Now the n900 uses 900/1700/2100 for 3G access. And both are quadband gsm and edge. SO basically what this means is that the iphone can only use AT&T 3G. Even if you officially unlock it it will never work with T-mobile 3G, and similarly the n900 can only work with T-mobile 3G. Even if you unlock it, you cannot use it for 3G on AT&T. Of course since they overlap in the 2100 band you may get spotty access. But that is going to be very spotty and will differ from one area to another area within a matter of several meters.

So bottom line there is really no advantage here. It just depends on the carrier you prefer. Of course the only advantage right now is that t-mobile's 3G is lagging in comparision to AT&T 3G.

I hate to be rude, but are you being intentionally dense here?

How about this. You're describing voice. I'm describing data. I already know people can hear me on the phone.

I don't think [b]you get what I'm saying[b]... I can't download a damn thing on those frequencies. I'm totally against going to T-Mobile, I can't use the data, nor will I switch to EDGE. I can't get more clear than that. Face it, you are locked into a frequency that nobody else in the US uses but T-Mobile.

AT&T 850/1900/2100
T-Mobile 1700/2100
Sprint 850
Verizon 850

Now... let's see. 3 of them have 850. One has 1700, one has 1900. Two have 2100 - I might be wrong about AT&T rolling out 2100, but I swear they inherited some areas that were 2100 from some dealings with Suncom, who T-Mobile bought a year or so ago.

With that, the overlap is minimum whereas in Europe, it's 1900/2100 for the most part.

Now... with that out there... how in the living hell do I take a phone that's made for only T-Mobile work on the AT&T frequencies when I refuse to (yet another stupid US carrier decision) pay for early disconnect and I'm in an area where T-Mobile coverage is utterly non-existent.

Re: N900 vs Iphone.

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Because it runs in the background. When I receive a message on BeeJive and I'm on a phone, it tells me what the message is... I switch to BeeJive and use it.

Same for notifications of messages/IM's in Fring and Nimbuzz. It's not multi-tasking as you'll invariably refer back to in the N810 or N900. So instead of centering around that, let's center around what you don't know.

I can, I have, I will receive notifications of messages sent to me when I'm not in an app such as Fring for instance. I will switch to that app, and resume my conversations. And if I miss a phone call to my IPKall account that I use via Nimbuzz or Fring, I will see who's called me, and be able to call them back.

That last part, I particularly do not like. But It does alert me when a phone call is coming in. Is it multi-tasking, we already know that's not the case. But I am not left out of using those apps in a bit of app usability darkness that is so prevalent around here - and so very wrong.

Yeah, with the iPhone it's more of a serial tasking (one task at a time). With notifications, you pause/stop/suspend one task to switch to the other. And then back. Though aren't Push notifications reliant soley on Apple's servers?

There is an advantage towards the n900 in that one. You can continue what you were doing while talking on the phone (I do it all the time on my tablet currently). But saying the iPhone's VOIP is useless is a bit unfair and biased.

Battery life however will be the n900's problem. But I prefer that the user has control over that situation rather than Apple's locking it down style and not giving you a choice in the matter.

Anyway, thanks for the post though, besides the bias :P it does give a handy tear down between the iPhone and the n900.

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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 317633)

Serial tasking. That's the word I've been looking for this entire time! Thank you.

And yeah... it's not true multi-tasking and I refuse to buy into it personally. It does "work" but I'm not 100% sure if it uses the Apple or AT&T servers.

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There is an advantage towards the n900 in that one. You can continue what you were doing while talking on the phone (I do it all the time on my tablet currently). But saying the iPhone's VOIP is useless is a bit unfair and biased.

No doubt. I was just using my tablet while out, got a phone call via Fring, answered it, was still surfing the web et al. The iPhone won't do any of that... thus my interest in the N900 - I just want to use the forward camera too!

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Battery life however will be the n900's problem. But I prefer that the user has control over that situation rather than Apple's locking it down style and not giving you a choice in the matter.

I'll have to default to hardware mostly people, like GA or the likes. I'm willing to bet it won't be as battery hungry as people fear. But I'd keep a battery charger nearby though.

And for the record... allow me to say that despite owning an iPhone, I'm not enamored nor a fanboy. I can tell you the faults of it left and right...

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 317631)

The way you answer makes it real damn hard to reply to...

How do you transfer files to a phone without bluetooth transfer? Not all phones support that - this isn't exclusive to the iPhone either. To center around one small *** feature is frustrating as hell.

You want OBEX. Great for you.

Is it location aware? It's not Google Maps as in google.com/maps - this is an application that pulls in the apps, and layers on top of it location aware tracking, movement - I can see my car move as I drive on the map (dead serious).

Google maps as you're describing on the N900. Can it do that? Can the N900 say "you're here" and then show me routes? No. I have to tell it, via the browser - which I can also do on the iPhone - where I am, and then where I want to go with zero updates as to where I am.

The iPhone Map app does tell me where I am, where I'm going, what is North/South, and directions therein.

I've yet to hit a place without coverage... and I'm in a pretty damn remote area myself. So... until then... I can't answer your question. It would be the same if you're in an area that's a GPS deadspot. They also exist.

I hate to be rude, but are you being intentionally dense here?

How about this. You're describing voice. I'm describing data. I already know people can hear me on the phone.

I don't think [b]you get what I'm saying[b]... I can't download a damn thing on those frequencies. I'm totally against going to T-Mobile, I can't use the data, nor will I switch to EDGE. I can't get more clear than that. Face it, you are locked into a frequency that nobody else in the US uses but T-Mobile.

AT&T 850/1900/2100
T-Mobile 1700/2100
Sprint 850
Verizon 850

Now... let's see. 3 of them have 850. One has 1700, one has 1900. Two have 2100 - I might be wrong about AT&T rolling out 2100, but I swear they inherited some areas that were 2100 from some dealings with Suncom, who T-Mobile bought a year or so ago.

With that, the overlap is minimum whereas in Europe, it's 1900/2100 for the most part.

Now... with that out there... how in the living hell do I take a phone that's made for only T-Mobile work on the AT&T frequencies when I refuse to (yet another stupid US carrier decision) pay for early disconnect and I'm in an area where T-Mobile coverage is utterly non-existent.

Yes i want OBEX. It is an additional feature and i will use and so will millions of users.

Regarding google maps. I have a nokia n95-8gb and i use google maps a lot. This app is same as the one you use on the iphone. Since this is a google application i would expect google to port it soon. I also have nokia maps on my n95 and it has locations specific search with navigation. I got the 6 month subscription free which includes voice commands too. So i assume that is the same port for the n900. Now this is significantly different from the wayfinder application which does not have network access. So yes nokia maps is location aware.

Please correct me if i am wrong but i have always thought that cdma uses different technology compared to gsm. If that is true then there is no point talking about sprint and verizon which are both CDMA.

I understand that your area does not have t-mobile coverage and i feel for you, but some areas have better t-mobile coverage. So it is a matter of choice.

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 317639)

And for the record... allow me to say that despite owning an iPhone, I'm not enamored nor a fanboy. I can tell you the faults of it left and right...

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean you. The last part of my post was directed towards the topic creator. I should've clarified that better.

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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 317651)

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean you. The last part of my post was directed towards the topic creator. I should've clarified that better.

Oh. I didn't take it like you meant me. I was merely stating that I'm neutral about either, just answering questions where I saw some prior wrongs.

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Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 317618)

I understand i am biased to nokia because i have used it much more than the iphone and i like nokia as a company way more than apple. But this is a nokia forum what do you seriously expect?

I expect facts. And I don't expect opinions and preferences to be stated like facts. State them as opinions and preferences...

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Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 317372)

Oh and you lack App Store framework for micro payments and developers traditionally don't get paid in Maemo community. So it requires technical and cultural/moral changes.

With Nokia Money, I believe the payment system can be easily implemented.

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Originally Posted by jsmanrique (Post 317016)

What about 10Mbps download HSDPA on N900 vs 7Mbps on iphone?;)

These are theoretical limits/caps in the current gen technology (and yet I believe some carriers have been testing beyond these here and there for eventual release- of course your hardware has to support it to be useful), highly unlikely to be achieved once much less all the time on either device. And as others have pointed out, Tmo's 3G coverage has been the weakest thus far- in both initial growth, real-world download speeds, and major market coverage. A lot of their cities they cite to pump numbers aren't nearly as big as other cities that are completely void of Tmo 3G. Go figure.

I want my, I want my, I want my LTE.

Re: N900 vs Iphone.

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 317631)

How do you transfer files to a phone without bluetooth transfer? Not all phones support that

Since 2003, most phones have had this feature, even feature phones. Every Motorola, HTC, Sony Ericsson, Nokia, and Samsung feature and smartphone support OBEX push. I think expecting it from a $699 "premium" smart featurephone isn't too much to ask.

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 317631)

Wow! Just like..every other GPS enabled phone running Google Maps. Now tell me this. What good is a navigation app if it won't work when you're lost away from the cell network?

Ovi Maps requires no network connection, and is owned by Nokia, which owns Navteq, the world's best map data provider, and much better than TeleAtlas, which Google must pay for its data, and which may not always be up to date. Ovi Maps is yards better, with support for navigation inside architectural landmarks comng soon.

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 317631)

Google maps as you're describing on the N900. Can it do that? Can the N900 say "you're here" and then show me routes? No. I have to tell it, via the browser - which I can also do on the iPhone - where I am, and then where I want to go with zero updates as to where I am.

Not sure Google Maps is made for Ovi as a download yet, but with Ovi, who needs it?

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 317631)

I might be wrong about AT&T rolling out 2100, but I swear they inherited some areas that were 2100 from some dealings with Suncom, who T-Mobile bought a year or so ago.

They bought some AWS frequency to keep TMobile from having continuous bandwidth and try to force them to try to trade for some 850 and 1800 bandwidth, but it didn't work. at&t refuses to use its AWS signal, just squatting on the publics resources...

Ive written extensively about that on Symbian Freak