Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 

Cool. So it's Nokia's Marketing job to sell, and ours to make sure they're selling what they're announcing (or, in other words, if they're not lying). That's what kept me away from MS products, but OK.

You guys don't get it. Research? For 30 minutes? Dude, it's not a buyer beware world - it's a 5 second attention span one. "Looks cool? I have the money? Cool" is most people's mindset. Telling them it's cool because it runs Linux and it's free and whatever - most people don't care. And unless Nokia cares about the possible fallout of huge returns and bad image resulting from it, they should market it appropriately.

For geeks. And tinkerers.

But sure, whatever - let the brand name erode and have a bad reputation. People always come back, right? /sheesh

Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 

It's the first time I hear of these issues, so I think you overestimate how wide-spread they actually are. The random call thingy sounds very obscure and may well have nothing to do with the phone at all. The bluetooth problems the OP is talking about are not bugs, he simply doesn't like the behaviour of all sound being routed over the bluetooth headsets as long as they are connected. While I agree that this may not be best behaviour, it's still not a bug and even less so a release blocker. I can promise you that, if broken microphones or constant reboots would have been spotted during testing (and not deemed fixed), the device wouldn't have been released.

There was nothing rushed about the N900, it was now or never. Personally, even as a consumer I would rather have the device available rather than not have it available, which would have been the only alternative.


That's like saying that OS X was not a new operating system because it was based on *BSD though. The user experience is entirely new, the desktop and window management are completely new (for the first time using hardware 3D acceleration and transitions), the phone and communication framework is completely new, the calendar has been written from scratch, the hildon toolkit has been extensively updated (most noticeably the pannable area and touch selectors), and so on.

I have never seen anything of this complexity being released without a couple of bugs.


No, it doesn't make sense. Yes it is a superior device, but otherwise it has nothing whatsoever to do with the N97. And looking at the most experimental device in Nokia's line-up is just not reasonable, if what you care about is primarily stability.


I got that impression, because I think that your perspective is severely skewed by reading too much in the forum. You are still far more likely to get a device that works fine for you, than one that has any critical defect.

Keep in mind that if two in a hundred have an issue with a product, it is most likely that it is exactly those two who seek out a forum to complain about it. Never take this as an indication as to how many products are actually affected.

Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 

I have to say that if you have the money to spend on something new and shiny, it's your choice. It's a gift-wrapping for something inside the package. Get it? Too bad that the insides aren't quite what the blinded-by-the-PR-speek buyer is seeing.

You have the money. You choose where to put it. If you don't like the merchandise, give it back because you can. This isn't cheating you out of your precious money and time. Nokia is being very fair and they're not really pushing it out to the masses. If you read the hype, look at where the hype is coming from. Why do you assume that something good for somebody else would be good for you?

But yeah, it could be argued that it's Nokia's fault as it doesn't do enough to control the hype - it's clearly just not enough in this fast-paced-world to just give out the facts and speak openly of the devices' purpose. When Nokia make an internet tablet with phone features and say that that's what it is, and also say that it's just step 4 of 5 - people just dismiss those facts because the packging is soo shiny???

I obviously don't get it. What the hell is wrong with you people?

Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 

Nothing is "wrong" - I'm all for the N900. I wanna buy one! But I understand people feel cheated, just that.

What's missing in these forums is precisely that - understanding! Typical Linux "screw you n00b" attitude. And saying stuff like "it's only been out for 3 weeks" - how long does it have to be out to fix basic bugs like not being able to use GSM shortcodes starting with *, that any proper tester could have caught, and should be release stoppers??

I want one. But Nokia messed up. Just that - don't bash the guys feeling cheated, that's all I'm saying.

Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 

I can understand the complaints. I am a long time user of S60 and love it. I have also had a 770 and currently use a N810 with my N65 all the time. If I knew someone liked S60...and was used to that...I would probably tell 90% of those users to stay with S60. Same goes with the different Blackberry, Apple, Moto and other users.

The other 10%...are those either like me, a current Maemo user...or someone who is looking for a tablet device that can do phone stuff too and can do some tech stuff, or someone that likes Linux and uses it already. Those are people who should jump in now.

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No doubt this happens. Ive thought about this many times on forums like this. Staff of other phone brands, fanboys, irate consumers who have just tied theirself into the wrong contract with wrong phone but need self reassurance to bolster these ill-informed purchases. All of these groups must hate the "i love my N900" posts and will counter every one with negative feedback using info they have found elsewhere in the forum.
I think if someone genuinely owns the N900 and has genuine reason to even be on the forum then they SHOULD be listened to with empathy and not a barrage of abuse. They should though , have researched the £500 purchase beforehand as to not have any nasty surprises.
If people post Non-constructive posts, to create negativity, then they should automatically be ignored and not replied to.
Who cares if someone has not researched a £500 purchase and got burned because it doesn't do portrait except in dialer mode. There has to be some kind of accountability on the consumers behalf. We have cooling off periods for disgruntled rich idiots. Hand it back, get money and buy something different.
If you want some problem with the phone fixed then put it to the community,(excellent system and really well structured).
I think people, we need to put on our bullsh.it deflectors to identify this kind of behavoir as to not waste too much time with them.
Sorry for such the long post, but i feel too much negativity being nourished in favour of progression by positive action. Ive seen the complaints and just laugh at most of them. I'll hopefully recieve my N900 next week, and if I feel I have purchased the wrong product then I can only blame myself for being an early adopter.
Lets take each post with a pinch of salt at least till some kind of integrity can be ascertained from the content of the post
Hope I haven't offended anyone:) ........including you fruitphone and schmoogle users and staff.
can we take a positive from the OP and report a bug with bluetooth when using alarm using constructive criticism to progress the device for all? I think thats what the forums for isn't it? ;)

Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 

OK lets return this thread to topic and civilised conversation.

Portrait mode only available or phone:

The N900 was designed with landscape in mind, this is not a bug. Portrait IS supported by the OS itself but only the phone currently supports it. The Internet browser is confirmed as being upgraded to use it in the next firmware update.

Third-party software can easily support either mode but mostly does not because landscape is a more "computer" style way of working and unfortunately there is no portrait on-screen keyboard by default. Also the N900 is based on Linux, plenty of software comes over from Desktop so is designed for landscape use ONLY. It will take time for software designed for the older tablets and desktop to be adapted to be more "phone-like".

Believe me I really wish conversations supported portrait as I often type one-handed on the bus/tram. However it is by no means a deal breaker for me.

Alarm and ring tones through bluetooth only, if bluetooth is on:

I assume you mean if your headset is paired and switched on. Surely it does not do this if bluetooth is on but your headset is turned off? If it does, then that clearly is a bug.

If it does not however then why on earth are you leaving your headset turned on when you are asleep in bed? Surely it should be turned off charging somewhere.

I would argue that the way it works makes sense, as why bother upsetting everyone else in the room with your alarm/ring tone if you are wearing your headset? Although it would be nice to be given the choice its a sensible default behaviour. There is little logic to leaving your headset powered on if you are not wearing it so its a fairly logical assumption that you are.

Overall, I am overjoyed to hear the N900 works this way. I always feel guilty when receiving a lot of SMS messages especially if I am doing something like queuing at the bank, as hearing the same tone over and over must be annoying for everyone else (I know it annoys me when someone else does it). The idea that it would redirect to my headset instead is excellent.

Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 

Enough with the insults and personal attacks. Keep it civil and on topic.

Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 

If it does not however then why on earth are you leaving your headset turned on when you are asleep in bed? Surely it should be turned off charging somewhere.

I would argue that the way it works makes sense, as why bother upsetting everyone else in the room with your alarm/ring tone if you are wearing your headset? Although it would be nice to be given the choice its a sensible default behaviour. There is little logic to leaving your headset powered on if you are not wearing it so its a fairly logical assumption that you are.

You leave it on because, if the phone rings, you are going to answer it using your headset, of course. Pretty much every phone I've owned, quite a few, does it this way - and it's the right way. The headset is on but in my shirt pocket. The phone is in my pocket or in a holster. The phone rings, I hear it, I put the headset on and answer.

Otherwise you are wearing your headset 24x7, like a dork.

The other phones will ring out through the headset, or at least send a ring tone - so if you have it on, you will hear it there as well.

To mute the phone, you mute the phone.

Now, should all that be configurable? Sure, that would be great.

But the default being the same as everyone else - audio out through the phone, phone audio out/in through the headset? Perfect.

This is for a PHONE headset. For audio headphones, audio should route out through the headphones. Just like everyone else.

And, for the record, this exact bug is what caused me to cancel my N900 order. I'll wait to see if this gets fixed because, from perspective, this is a deal breaker.

Re: Nokia n900 horrible!
 

uhhh. right.