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jnwi 2010-08-18 16:54

Re: What Will Make MeeGo Succeed
 
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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 790273)
Care to share some examples of such functionality (except the dbus thingy, which is already being tried to get rid of) ? The whole point of QtMobility is to abstract away those gritty details, and while being able to use other libs is a huge boon, (for better or worse) it's a sideeffect, not something encouraged.

It may not be encouraged, but a lot of software will be ports with mobile optimized GUIs. Even with new apps, if you religiously try to stick to Qt, you'll end up reimplementing Unix in the end.

I agree, though, that most of the time Qt will be enough. But if you can save time by using existing Linux libraries, and you're ok with sacrificing Symbian support, why limit yourself? Here's something most of us probably use, and it depends heavily on other libraries:


mad-developer
Depends: openssh-server
Depends: libfuse2
Depends: fuse-utils
Depends: libqt4-core
Depends: libqt4-gui
Depends: usb-network-modules
Depends: gdb

buurmas 2010-08-18 18:26

Re: What Will Make MeeGo Succeed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 780916)
One major difference is that MeeGo is not a smartphone OS. It is a mobile OS, for everything from mobile phones through cars to netbooks, giving a potential for a vastly larger ecosystem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoku (Post 790220)
MeeGo is not targeted at smartphones. This is dying breed.
MeeGo is targeted for normal microcomputers, like you are used on your desktop, but in a tiny form factor.

This is what I wonder about: are iOS and Android going to look rinky-dink in two years? Are people going to have fabulous hardware for mobile devices and find that the software capabilities are not expanding at nearly the same rate?

quipper8 2010-08-18 18:42

Re: What Will Make MeeGo Succeed
 
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Originally Posted by buurmas (Post 790856)
This is what I wonder about: are iOS and Android going to look rinky-dink in two years? Are people going to have fabulous hardware for mobile devices and find that the software capabilities are not expanding at nearly the same rate?

I hear news that google's tablet offering will be with chromeOS, not android, so this line of thought seems to be playing out

attila77 2010-08-18 18:54

Re: What Will Make MeeGo Succeed
 
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 790631)
Huh?? When was a real MeeGo device's anything announced? I didn't know Nokia already announced their next->next device?

I know they announced some stuff about their Maemo/MeeGo hybrid.. but not a MeeGo device?

I believe the OP referred to the hybrid device.

attila77 2010-08-18 19:02

Re: What Will Make MeeGo Succeed
 
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Originally Posted by jnwi (Post 790735)
It may not be encouraged, but a lot of software will be ports with mobile optimized GUIs. Even with new apps, if you religiously try to stick to Qt, you'll end up reimplementing Unix in the end.
...
Here's something most of us probably use, and it depends heavily on other libraries:
mad-developer

Jokers will tell you Qt already reimplemented unix :) Now, system stuff will obviously be OS dependent, but standalone apps much less. And since Qt is your only stable point that spans all systems, it really is a serious hit to depend on specific libs. If you take a look at Ovi, they already work like that, denying apps that use external libs, no matter how popular.

RevdKathy 2010-08-18 19:33

Re: What Will Make MeeGo Succeed
 
OK, I'll bite. Here's my two penn'orth.

If Meego is going to really stand on its own paws and present a serious market competitor to IOS, RIM and Android is needs to be bipedal.

On the one hand, as a truly open OS, Meego needs to remember where its roots are - on one level it needs to remain a geek toy, a develepment device, a member of the linux family. The version of Meego which removes the X-terminal in the name of 'making it simple for punters' will have lost its way.

On the other hand, Meego needs the sort of intuitive, KISS, and frankly whizzy UI that will excite bloggers, commentators industry experts. It needs to be perfectly usable to the average bear who doesn't know a single command line: she shouldn't need to unless she chooses. A wide range of smooth, flowing Qt apps easily accessible in a limited number of locations will facilitate this, but the basic UI needs to stand alone and excire people.

What makes an OS successful? It requires a certain critical mass of popularity within a user group. Then people start buying the 'cool device' their colleague has, or the device that's the next model up because it's even cooler. That's what Meego needs.

Venemo 2010-08-18 19:41

Re: What Will Make MeeGo Succeed
 
Here is my opinion:

It sounds real great the MeeGo will power the future "mobile computers" and that it will replace Symbian in the high end devices... but...

There _should be_ also cheap MeeGo devices. Very cheap ones that will really make it have a good market share.

tissot 2010-08-18 19:49

Re: What Will Make MeeGo Succeed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Venemo (Post 790926)
Here is my opinion:

It sounds real great the MeeGo will power the future "mobile computers" and that it will replace Symbian in the high end devices... but...

There _should be_ also cheap MeeGo devices. Very cheap ones that will really make it have a good market share.

Nothing stops other manufacturers shipping cheap MeeGo phones. As far as Nokia goes it's pretty clear that they wont bring Meego to the under 400 euros range in a near future at least and why should they?
Imo in a best case scenario that price will set some kind of hw standards for Nokia MeeGo phones. Android just like Symbian back in the days is starting to get quite fragmented.

IINexusII 2010-08-18 19:53

Re: What Will Make MeeGo Succeed
 
if they could get valve to give full support with steam, able to chat to steam users then its a WIN

Venemo 2010-08-18 19:55

Re: What Will Make MeeGo Succeed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 790930)
Imo in a best case scenario that price will set some kind of hw standards for Nokia MeeGo phones.

Price is a very good way to achieve better market share. An average person will never pay this much for any mobile device.

I dunno why don't they "get" this.


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