Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Personally, I couldn't really care less about the whole Ovi Store thing. Only apps I have ever bought to any of my phones have been navigation software and nothing else, now I have that feature for free on my N97 mini. If Nokia didn't change navigation features to be free of charge, none of us would complain about it. Whenever we like it or not, N900 is still a niche product and moving towards "main street" version of MeeGo, I can perfectly well understand why Nokia is gearing all the effort for launching that device and featured services.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Btw (sorrry if already said; I did not reach or search the thread), there is a new FW version (not sure if its 1.3 or a smaller update) in Nokia beta testing already.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Then what exactly are you saying? Is there or is there not an officially supported OS update - and I don't mean PR1.3 - for the N900?

That's what I'm talking about. MeeGo was announced, it won't be officially supported on the N900 and that's all I've referred to in my original post and in this one.

I have absolutely zero proof, but I think Nokia knew that Maemo 5 was a dead end by the time they announced the N900.

Agree.

I suspect you've overlooked what I'm really saying. Nokia will not release a company supported OS upgrade for the N900.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

From now on, sentences like:
BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
will be
BYE BYE N900 - Just another day Nokia!

I just read that qwerty12 left, and I really hope Nokia understand that qwerty12's leave IS a Sad day for Nokia.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Can we also have a "Goodbye N900" front-page article on ITT/TMO, too? I mean.. the headlines that are still sitting there are somewhat embarrassing under the circumstances.

Introducing Maemo Talk (Think of it as itT v2.0. It’s an ad-free site that will report on everything Maemo.)

The Nokia N900 all-in-one: camera, phone, video player, internet device — and Kindle partner

Any future for the Nokia Internet Tablet? Doh! Yes!

Losing the best-res title

etc.

That Future-for-the-Nokia-Internet-Tablet one makes me shake my head and giggle sometimes when I still see it there.

A rose by any other name would still have its bud cut off if Nokia sold it.

Don't you mean 'Great to be an Android device owner?' I mean.. you could just as easily move onto any other device, now that you appear to be using Android so enjoyably.

Great idea! Make it happen.

I suspect that the 41% global market share that Nokia is still touting will drown out any one person's departure despite their contributions. I also blame participants who support Nokia's efforts to continue to promote more closed-source on Linux devices like the Nokia tablets while continuing to use Linux and open-source as a bait-and-switch technique.

Come for the openness and freedom, stay for the irony and dismissiveness.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

I'm saying the following has little meaning:

The date of the MeeGo announcement is as relevant as Arbor Day or your best friend's birthday on the question of future, officially-supported OS upgrades for the N900. Prior to the MeeGo announcement, prior to the release of the N900, Maemo 6 was coming in the second half of 2010 and every indication Nokia had ever given pointed to it not running on the N900. The MeeGo announcement changed only the name of the software the N900 wouldn't be getting in an officially supported manner.

I think they see it more as a transitional piece, but yes, it's been clear since at least last summer, well before the release of the N900, that Harmattan (and its capacitive multitouch screen) was the mass market ready product Nokia wanted to be selling.

Nokia had made clear the future of all of the company--Symbian, Maemo, desktop apps, and beyond--was with Qt. They'd made clear Ofono was the telephony stack they wanted. And on and on. None of it was ready though, and they'd already rushed past Elephanta due to it being too small a step.

Fremantle and the N900 carried the existing Maemo market forward, giving developers something more modern (and GSM capable) than the N8x0s upon which to build, and expanded the userbase as well. And seeing how official Qt support on Maemo 5 has turned out to be far greater than was originally planned, the OS may live on a bit longer, and more comfortably, than originally thought.

Beyond that, the N900 has both the reference UX MeeGo and unofficial Harmattan-MeeGo in the works for it. "Don't count your chickens" certainly, but there have been a number of hints regarding those updates, particularly of Harmattan-MeeGo, that seem quite promising.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Ooo... ouch. Don't remind me about Ofono and how open-sourced it was supposed to be. ...then not. ...then the rest of the OS. Oh, all those assurances and freedoms!

Fair question, though: If they thought it was doomed from day one, why didn't they provide better community support for this device even at the start? Frankly, it should have shipped with an "Obsolescence inside!" sticker for its lack of forward-thinking openness.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

This is disconcerting. I actually held off buying the N900 for a little while largely due to waiting to see if it would be supported by MeeGo. I didn't think they publically had made any indication that it (Harmattan or MeeGo) for sure would not be available for the N900 until after the N900 release and MeeGo announcement.

I coulda swore I read things from the likes of qgil and other nokian's that said "things needs to be looked at still", "still unknown", etc.. regarding questions of whether the N900 will get upgraded.

I finally decided to get mine when my G1 was on the fritz, this was the only phone closest to what I wanted, and qgil said that the N900 was for sure going to be the development platform for MeeGo (which also came before the official "No, you won't get support" announcement if my memory serves correctly).. I realized that I probably wouldn't get official support but I'm the type of power-user that even a development edition of MeeGo should suit me fine in the future.

Anyway.. long book shortened: If Nokia knew from day 1 that the N900 would never get an OS update.. they sure as hell didn't make it very clear to anybody beyond the devs that attended their Summit.. and certainly didn't put it on any of their Marketing/Advertising crap.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Are you saying Ofono isn't as open as it has been purported to be? Or are you comparing Ofono and the telephony stack that's actually in Maemo 5?

If the former, would you please point out the pieces that are closed? I've missed that announcement or discussion.

If the later, please further remember that Nokia made it clear quickly after the announcement of Ofono, and long before even the first pre-alpha SDK for Maemo 5, that Ofono would be part of Harmattan, not Fremantle.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Your definition of what has meaning or not doesn't mean it is not true. From release to MeeGo announcement, it was roughly 6 months. What has come out since? PR1.2... that's it.

You may argue that is has no meaning, but it effectively meant the end of Maemo 5 progress. Qt Mobility is next, then dead end. The announcement... final nail in the coffin.

Disagree all day, the facts support the timeline.

I don't do hints. I do facts. Neither aforesaid release will enjoy official support.