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rokky 2010-11-24 04:17
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Don't forget that there are something like 100 million of us in the US on CDMA networks (Verizon and Sprint) who cannot use it as a phone, so it is/was not an option for us even if we did want as an upgrade from our N800/N810 IT's (which some of us know how to tether on our CDMA phones ;)

RO

lunat 2010-11-24 05:04
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
your statistic shows one thing: nokia lost substantial marked share in overal devices to apple and android.

the real interesting thing is how does the n900 convince the customers compared with similar devices, do you hava statistic about that as well. is the n900 from perspective of a customer a good choice or does a customer rather tend to chose something else. if so i think it's quite interesting: what are the reasons for such a choice?

or if i take you explanation that nokia wanted it not to find acceptance in the marked i refrase: what did nokia do to the device on purpose to scare off the customers and not buy it instead e.g. a iphone.

refrase the way you want it: a high end n900 is available but users don't buy it but prefer competing product instead. i think is quite interesting what made the customers to choose this way? what are the shortcomings of the device in its class? why buy people a iphone and not a n900?



Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph.skb (Post 881748)
Why N900 failed on consumer market?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64R1DI20100528


Why N900 didn't fail on consumer market?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/n...five-months-so


I believe it's clear that the N900 was never meant for the mass consumer market - again, I prefer to use targeted to niche market. In Nokia's quarterly reports, the flagship model in 2009 was the N97. For N900 to compete there, it needs to have a more 'famous' OS...which was obviously the opposite here.

Worldwide Smartphone Sales to End Users by Operating System in 2009 (Thousands of Units)

ossipena 2010-11-24 05:23
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lanwellon (Post 881664)
Good point.

So at first, Nokia just want Maemo supported by the community.

And do not want to build a eco-system like Android,

but the market performance is better than Nokia's estimation,

So Nokia decide to 'go commercial', such as open Ovi market for

N900.

Am I right ?
nope. you probably couldn't have got that more wrong. I am not sure when the whole 5 step program was invented but probably before 770 was released. So nokia probably had already plans about 4 iterations to 770 letting it grow slowly and mature and the final 4th iteration would have been the device that now isn't released because meego shuffled the cards (but it had a lot to contribute for meego and without it there would be no meego for nokia mobiles).

their plan was (is) to start from scratch and create brand new as-open-as-possible os with help of a community. 770 was purely for hackers who didn't mind xterming all the time, N800 was for developers etc too and so was N810 (though N800 got same FW updates than N810 had). And last step before the "real" launch was...

...N900, for tech oriented, early adopters etc (in addition to hackers, devs, etc -mantra). UI has been totally rewritten, usability has increased, especially finger input. but still it isn't polished product and never intended to be such.

Joseph.skb 2010-11-24 05:44
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lunat (Post 881777)
refrase the way you want it: a high end n900 is available but users don't buy it but prefer competing product instead. i think is quite interesting what made the customers to choose this way? what are the shortcomings of the device in its class? why buy people a iphone and not a n900?
I saw an article in a very cool T3 Jul/Aug edition - The ultimate smartphone guide; reviewing Nokia (N900), WinMo, iPhone, Android, Blackberry
Quote:
What Nokia (N900) says about you:
You don’t like to faff. You’ve always had Nokia and you always will, because it’s reliable, gets the job done and the camera’s usually pretty good too.

geneven 2010-11-24 06:09
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
"Nokia's been very clear that the N900 was launched as a means to strengthen its Maemo development community (on the path to MeeGo we now know)."

And has it? It seems to me that Nokia has alienated some key players in the Maemo community.

benny1967 2010-11-24 07:03
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geneven (Post 881796)
And has it? It seems to me that Nokia has alienated some key players in the Maemo community.
like - ... yourself?

ysss 2010-11-24 11:35
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theonelaw (Post 881711)
Failed??

It is a machine for the intelligent geek.
In that it has succeeded beyond any other device out there.

If I met someone carrying and using an n900 I would know instantly
that they are definitely not a dimwit or a *****,
regardless of whatever else they may behave as.

I absolutely cannot say that about people who rely upon iPhones, Android etc.
Not they they are all hopelessly clueless,
(many use those devices because they have no time/talent for tinkering
and-or maybe depend upon it for basic functionalities, trendiness, etc.)
but that you cannot judge that book by its cover as well as you can the n900.

With the n900 there is a prerequisite of some spark of intelligence
just to be able to use it for more than a paperweight or fashion accessory.
(Yes, there seems to be slew of apps just to make it exactly such a thing despite all that)
Code:
nar·row–mind·ed adj \-ˈmīn-dəd\
Definition of NARROW-MINDED

: lacking in tolerance or breadth of vision : petty
Code:
90% of people think they are of above average intelligence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority

Code:
Illusory superiority is a cognitive bias that causes people to overestimate their positive qualities and abilities and to underestimate their negative qualities, relative to others. This is evident in a variety of areas including intelligence, performance on tasks or tests and the possession of desirable characteristics or personality traits. It is one of many positive illusions relating to the self, and is a phenomenon studied in social psychology.

Illusory superiority is often referred to as the above average effect. Other terms include superiority bias, leniency error, sense of relative superiority, the primus inter pares (first among equals) effect,[1] and the Lake Wobegon effect (named after Garrison Keillor's fictional town where "all the children are above average"). The phrase "illusory superiority" was first used by Van Yperen and Buunk in 1991.[1]
Know your bias.

rotoflex 2010-11-24 12:28
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
This is just a crazy extension of debate.

The N900 was being presented as the smartest smartphone yet made, articles referenced the Iphone, Blackberry, etc.

It was publicized, hyped, anticipated, Nokia put it in general release, & then stated that it was the end of the line for the phone's OS.

Nokia Betamaxed the N900 almost immediately after getting it to market. Only the curious, not practical, bought the phone because its software support was obviously going to go as dry as the desert since it was rationally perceived as a dead technology already.

brian08 2010-11-24 12:34
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
Originally Posted by theonelaw
Failed??

It is a machine for the intelligent geek.
In that it has succeeded beyond any other device out there.

If I met someone carrying and using an n900 I would know instantly
that they are definitely not a dimwit or a *****,
regardless of whatever else they may behave as.

I absolutely cannot say that about people who rely upon iPhones, Android etc.
Not they they are all hopelessly clueless,
(many use those devices because they have no time/talent for tinkering
and-or maybe depend upon it for basic functionalities, trendiness, etc.)
but that you cannot judge that book by its cover as well as you can the n900.

With the n900 there is a prerequisite of some spark of intelligence
just to be able to use it for more than a paperweight or fashion accessory.
(Yes, there seems to be slew of apps just to make it exactly such a thing despite all that)

Sir i respectfully beg to differ...the want or need of a person to tinker with their phone depends on their profession. i for example as a soon to be doctor want to substitute the n900 for a netbook mostly using it as an ebook reader,document viewer/editing and powerpoint presentation. But i do want to customize or tinker my phone to my liking but I would like it to do it in a safe way and not "bricking" it. And i also do want many other apps on it but i don't have time to go through the complex steps of installing it. To sum it up i want a customizable phone-tablet but as much as possible it should be user-friendly and brick-proof...only a ST*PID person would tinker with a n900 especially if they aren't that familiar with the OS....now that's true INTELLIGENCE...besides its hard to believe that the n900 market succeeded if it sold only more than 100,000 units world wide...and most importantly don't think that just because you bought a n900 means that it is successful.....common sense please...^_^

batman 2010-11-24 13:01
Re: Why N900 failed on consumer market ?
 
The hardware surely isn't dead tech since it's capable of having multiple OS' on it..? Nitdroid, Debian, Meego.

Maemo was a means to an end as I understand it from people who probably know more than I do here.. the end is in sight? Meego..?

If thats the case and this thread isnt talking about hardware but its talking about OS.. then Nokia has Navteq (potentialy competitive to Google as a search and add tool), it has the basis for a very usable OS (Maemo), it has a library of app's which can be ported to Meego?


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