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I can't say I'm too surprised by that. The N800 was the last good Maemo device, as far as I can tell. Adding a slide-out keyboard just adds more weight and more moving parts. Also, I really, really thing that it was a BIG mistake to move away from having a D-pad. Once again--they could have been far ahead of everyone else about advantageous things such as TABLES and even d-pads on tablets for gaming and/or digital movements like in menus. Ugh. Nokia--what a goddam shame. They were sitting on a goldmine and decided to just piss it all away.

Allegations of willful harm are made out of evident history and statements that can be summarized as simply as "WONTFIX". They didn't literally step all over their customers, but it was just as bad that they ignored customer demands, ignored customer concerns, provided incredibly frustrating responses or refused to respond at all, provided little to NO support (hardware/repair/etc), provided little presence (virtually NONE in North America) and terrible face-to-face experiences with Nokia sales/support/etc when they WERE available, ...I mean, I could go on. :P In the metaphorical sense, yes... they stepped all over their customers and it's showing lately. (People aren't exactly flocking back to a Nokia after the experience of owning one, despite even well-made devices.)

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Others have also stated that the move to qt was something that stole a lot of time that could have been spent on optimising harmattan and refining the UI.
without additional resourcing, this almost guarantees a failure to meet deadlines for getting a product out to market.

the lack of clarity (at least for the public) about where Harmattan fitted in to Nokia's Meego strategy seems to have fuelled a reluctance to push forward on the Meego front. It seems easy, at first glance, to assume now that Nokia were pushing Harmattan as their "Meego" phone. It may have been "step 5 of 5" in the Maemo cycle, but with Meego API's t would seem to also be step 1 of x in the move ot full Meego

It would be interesting to see if Nokia's decision to drop the Meego push coincided with the first rumblings from within Meego and the TSG that they would not accept Nokia using the "Meego" tag on the Harmattan Device.

opting for WM (with a green light to customise) would be the only obvious external os choice to allow Nokia to not become like the many other hardware clones, err manufacturers on the market

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heh*cough*... like I said elsewhere... Yah. Those Microsoft Windows Phone 7 devices are just FLYING off the shelf. And Nokia is doing faaaantasticly bad. Putting two bad tastes that go worse together. Not only is it not our choice of phone here on this forum, but they're both proving that they're increasingly less successful commercially. The general public doesn't seem to be impressed with either of these companies right now.

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You stupid woman ;) I mean seriously, how ignorant is it possible to become? It works like this, it is not what is right now, it is what will be. Like two cars, one with a fantastic, reliable and powerful yet immature engine, but a chassis that falls apart (all existing WP7 phones). The other car has a perfect chassis, high quality, never breaks, but with an obsolete engine that really isn't fit for todays tasks compared with the competition.

When you blend those two cars, it is for the purpose of having an excellent engine in an excellent chassis. Shouldn't be so difficult to grasp should it? Will MS and Nokia make it work? Well, they try hard to, and have no other way to the future, this is their shot. I believe they will make it, not because I love Nokia or MS, but because it is a very good strategy, and they need this to survive.

It will also be a real alternative to iPhone and Android.

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Take a look a Nokia's new blended car:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rX0DO9cng-...0/TheHomer.jpg

:D

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Exactly what I meant :)

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What??

WP7 is already a commercial failure, and already hated by the general public.

This years before the first Nokia WP7 phone release.

If Nokia wanted a phone that's 'loved by the general public', they would have gone with Android.

What Nokia really wanted was billions of dollars in bonuses from Microsoft for the Nokia board members.

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Jane, you ignorant slut. I see that you are confused--you clearly gave that impression immediately with your opening. Given your profoundly confused state, I can now understand how you might make the argument you made, and overlook the other obvious possibility you posed: When you blend those two same cars, it might be for the purpose of having an excellent engine in an excellent chassis, but through the miracle of Microsoft's and Nokia's amazing choices over the last few years, we could easily end up with the unimpressive, unwanted engine and a chassis that in fact might still fall apart--and worse, it might even be a throwback to big, clunky chassis that only your grandfather might appreciate, complete with fins, circular brake lights and a dark cloud that follows it everywhere because it's not nearly as energy efficient and innovative an engine and chassis as everyone else, who has gone on and evolved the whole market instead of playing catch-up like Microsoft+Nokia. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekend_Update

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Also sex. Nokia wanted sex with Microsoft. Big, fat corporate sex. Money is just their way of fertilizing their future Kin.

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Reality check. MS rules the PC world. We may dislike it as much as we want, they still rule. Nokia still rules the mobile market, they sell more phones than anyone else. Nokia and MS is the two most influential companies in PC/mobile. Now they join forces for a new mobile ecosystem and devices and OS. It is not like they will fail because some fanboy nobrain zealots wants them to, or dislike them or hope or pray or whatever.

They will fail if they fail to make good devices and fail to make a good ecosystem, they will succeed if the achieve making good devices and ecosystem. It is that simple. Judging by the state of iOS and Android, MS+Nokia have to make really really piss poor devices and ecosystem to fail. They won't. Already there are 18000 apps, half a year before any Nokia-WP7 is out, they have mail, navigation, search, everything, it is "just" a matter of putting the pieces together.

People generally don't care what OS their phones are running, but they know that Nokia will be totally renewed very soon, obviously they hesitate purchasing a Nokia now. People now that a real Windows phone will be a Nokia, obviously they hesitate purchasing a Samsung or HTC, and both of them have better Android devices in any case.