Re: Nokia N950 vs Nokia N9
 

Gonna be a bit harsh with this one because you're trying to paint yourself as either the victim or something that's not even necessary - nor would it register with me to be honest.

Simply stated... your comment about "we're not here to test for you guys" sounds like to me that you were downright unwilling to answer a very simple question. Flick to the option, look at the setting, be done with it. That was right after my comment about how very limited all of the testers environments seem.

It's not representative of the real ****ing world. It's really representing how limited some of you guys are testing. Real world means varied. Not that each of you somehow have nearly the same type of setup. IMAP, no Exchange. No idea of provisioning, something that in my network was a real problem - yes, we run internally AD (Active Directory) with Sharepoint and MS Exchange. I develop and test on Windows and OS X, as well as Linux.

So far, I've not heard of any connectivity to OS X. Nor Windows. And to come off like "we're not here to test for you guys" type of bravado, seriously... that's something that would piss off even the near saintly. Don't know the answer, then why contribute absolutely nothing but what seems to be some snarky remark?

As of right now, I expect absolutely nothing from you people. Can't talk about what options are on the damn platform. Can't answer any questions other than "we're working on something" yet talking about it in a public facing forum, and once your **** is released, then you want us to be your guinea pigs and report your bugs.

Yet you can't answer simple *** questions about the platform?

Fine. Keep testing, hope your code eventually works, hope it finds an audience, and we'll stop asking you people with N950's to answer simple questions since it seems way too much to ask.

You have no point. I didn't like your tone. My point is that if you're going to benefit from the community, then the community should benefit partially from you as well. Can't take without giving. That's what FOSS is all the **** about. That's not a hard notion to understand.

I don't want to know what's wrong with the damn platform - I'd hope to hell that you people are actually testing and putting in bug reports that better the platform (starting to lose faith in that due to the limited environments that you all seemingly suffer from).

I want to know what to expect when the damn N9 comes out. Provisioning is actually important to some folks - search the forums. It'll come up nearly 50 times outside of this thread.

And yes. Huge failure to communicate. So with me hopefully using smaller, easier to digest words this time; I hope I made myself clear. If not, you'll probably misconstrue what was said, once again, to be that I'm calling you out for a misunderstanding.

If you limited few are to be representatives of the very same community that I belong to, then I should be able to ask about what features are there and how well they work in real world settings. If it's a negative, then at least confirm/deny that the option exist(s) and report your bugs. If you're not doing bug reports and only testing your code, then luck to you.

Hope you figure out your probs. Savvy?

Re: Nokia N950 vs Nokia N9
 

Anyway, you said each minute you're on these forums, you lose out on development.

For each time I respond to you, I gain no new information. That's the only thing I'm still around these parts for.

You have none to give, so I'll take no more of your time. Luck to you, goodbye.

Re: Nokia N950 vs Nokia N9
 

I have a point, you just don't get it. I was given a devkit and an NDA. "go create" they say. I never said I won't or can't answer simple questions, I'm just trying to say I'm not a "tester" and none of us are. I would very much like to help Nokia fix any and all problems with the operating system, but when they give us a list of something like 5 known issues with a firmware that is not current and an NDA that makes us wonder if we are even allowed to submit bug reports, it seems like they don't want to hear from me. They even made the bug tracker private, and it's only got about 15 issues on it which means they don't even use it internally! If Nokia wants to do things that way, fine. We have to assume it means they have a massive team of testers somewhere, or maybe the commercial developers are playing that role too. Okay? I'm HAPPY to answer your questions, just don't call me a tester.

Re: Nokia N950 vs Nokia N9
 

Which part of the NDA do you break if you answer a question about provisioning as an option.

Nobody asked you if you liked it, the negatives. None of that.

One ****ing question. You want to press that you're not a tester, then only a developer? Okay.

Develop something that's worth a damn. Stop talking about the issues, that's where your NDA pops into play.

I get your point. It's just not a good one. Don't bother wasting any more precious development time on discussing how blindly you're overlooking how snarky you sounded over one word, "tester".

The question that the earlier person answered more than likely will never get answered in full. Continue down the very limited path(s) that you people have chosen. I'm quite sure it will fit what Nokia has planned for the N9 - a very limited release for a very limited mindset with very limited amount of apps, and a very limited audience.

Proof is in this exchange. Feel free to have the last word. I'm done wasting my time on a dev/tester/whatever and will give the answer to the prior question that I was also curious about as well. No more from me about this. Done.

Seems like provisioning for MS Exchange 2007/2010 is still an work in progress. As earlier stated, it's there, but it's disabled. Perhaps at a later date, when Nokia (and not the developers, testers, whomever) announce it, it might be a full-fledged option for those of us that have MS Exchange within our corporate environments.

The rest of the answers will come in due time.

Re: Nokia N950 vs Nokia N9
 

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=int-180957

"fixed in harmattan"

email renders html way faster than modest on n900 ever did.

read this guy's posts, he's obviously working on it...
http://forum.meego.com/search.php?searchid=292899

Re: Nokia N950 vs Nokia N9
 

yep, you all have probably seen one application of PC in tv, probably with a product name "Lexan" ..that is if you have watched mythbusters when they go behind transparent covers when blowing stuff up...

Re: Nokia N950 vs Nokia N9
 

I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for here, but I do most of my building and deploying from OS X boxes using Qt Creator, same as you can do with an n900. One click and BOOM! And as opposed to the Windows and Linux versions, the OS X version is considered beta, but it has always worked flawlessly for me.

Re: Nokia N950 vs Nokia N9
 

i think a people need to understand that having an n950 isn't the same as owning an n9. i would compare it to having a moto droid (first 1 original firmware) and having the galaxy S. same operating system but different. limits and bugs etc. maybe my analogy is a bit too skewed but it serves this purpose. the N950 sent to these developers isnt for bug testing but getting some programs and game's etc ready for launch. for developers who are interesting in porting and creating. the prototype N9's will be for testing as that's the retail device. so asking stupid questions battery time and the screen. even asking about some specific software stuff can be stupid because it's OLD firmware with old bugs and limitations. it needs to be usable for developing, not everyday use.
If you really that interested in knowing more go to the meego forums and if your not a complete *** you can get some answer's.

i don't know why people want the most detailed of answer's about something they'll probably use about 1% of the time and on a device that isn't the N9. i'm happy with the simple things that i'll use alot like "is the interface natural to use, can developers keep the UI consistent and use the same buttons sliders etc in their programs etc."

is the n950 was truly a better device it would be released. regardless of the companies direction, money is still money and you don't want your only other lifeline to sink and leave you with no bargaining power.

Re: Nokia N950 vs Nokia N9
 

Please do consider that BigBadGuber has previously received replies to this very question from various N950 users. He has been assured provisioning support exists. People have reported success using it with Exchange. Someone even provided BigBadGuber with a link to the best information available on which provisioning options are supported and not.

He's followed up not with probing questions on specific details or scenarios, but just the same general question again and again: "Will the N9 support provisioning?" I can't speak for others, but I didn't see the need to answer him again this time.

Re: Nokia N950 vs Nokia N9
 

Provisioning is the ability of the phone to connect to secure corporate email. Blackberry was the standard device, and now iphones communicate with corporate servers as well as Blackberry. When I bought n900 (a device that I still use and love), I was disappointed that it did not connect to my work email. Many have complained and left N900 because of this issue. I complained here, and the first thing that some board members voiced is that I should have known better, that it was said on some obscure youtube video that it doesnt support provisioning and the regular fanboy bass. This is a must for me to own N9, and I still dont have an answer. There are threads on meego that say it provides partial provisioning. That doesnt sound good. I now understand why NOKIA went with MS. Software engineers at NOKIA just dont seem capable of designing a flawless email client for users worldwide. But I do know that iphone works flawlessly across continents, so why cant NOKIA???