Originally Posted by rotoflex (Post 1346655)

Specs posted:
http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-5457.php

I'm not in a pre-order country, but I think I'm in for one. Stereo speakers clinched it, even if there is no hardware keyboard. I hope MartinK is cooking up a version of Modrana to work on it.

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1346657)

This is an entirely reasonable perspective and yet also interesting given the fact that with the standard life cycle of modern smart phones frequently being tied to the duration of the contracts that they may be acquired on and the actual hardware itself (be it specs or capabilities), most people move on after 18-24 months.
Certainly after sales support and updates are important, but what benchmark should we apply to Jolla?
The same as Nokia with the N900 or N9 (the n9 in my opinion, despite the "wontfix"es recieved a good level of support and many more updates than most Android handsets), the same as most android OEM's?
In the app-centric marketplace that the mobile space has become, I will be interested to see how Jolla manage the development and expansion of native apps. Having a viable and functional Dalvik layer is all good as a stop gap, but can't guarantee 100% integration with the core OS and shouldn't be seen as a replacement for development.

BB have invested a fortune recruiting and assisting devs and it has worked, certainly with regarding to rapidly building the numbers in their app store. Jolla has neither the funds or capability to do this and will have to rely on piggybacking on to existing conferences and hacker activities.
With Qt Developer Days not until the last quarter of the year, I expect to see a high level of interest there, but little time
beyond that, before christmas to build and deploy through a QA process to an app store/market front before release.
they'll certainly need more applications to support launch that what they have HERE right now

Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1346649)

Exactly my thoughts. I don't want another dead-end phone.

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1346692)

What exactly is a dead end phone? I have been using various phones the last couple of years and I can't say I have seen much better support. I have three androids in my family stuck to 2.1 2.2 and 2.3 respectively, all newer than the N900. Symbia phones of the same era are stuck to the horrible s60v5. Only apple supports 3 generations, but the downside to that is that afterwards they kill them with fire. It's virtually impossible even for the developer to support iPhone 3g right now as there isn't even any target in the sdk. And with the closed ecosystem the user isn't even able to hack his own solutions. On the contrary, when evernote changed API somebody promptly jumped in and fixed qvernote for the N900.

My point is, grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1346754)

What makes a phone alive? APPS

An alive phone has an app for everything and major software companies are making hundreds of apps for it.

When would we decide if the Jolla's phone is an alive phone and not a dead-end phone? when it has an app for *everything*. Official apps for twitter, facebook, instagram, whatsapp, vibe, line, etc. When there are thousand of (good) games available. When your banks are releasing online-banking apps for your phone, etc. That's an alive phone.

The N900 was dead a year after it was released and the N9 was dead even before its release. I don't buy phones every 18 months and I don't want to. I want my phone to last 5 years. Since smartphones came in I had a Palm Treo for around 5 years, then a Palm Centro for another 5 years, and now I have the N900 for the last 4 years and I will change it next year for something that will last another 5 years.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1346758)

So you will buy Lumia 1000 and have it 5 years :eek: