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The builtin file manager won't let you see that directory - heck it barely lets you see any directory :rolleyes:

Check out emelFM2 it's been ported to Maemo and works great :D I've been using it for a few days now & love it!

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forget it, I figured it out... :cool:

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hey! thanks man! dont know if it worked or not yet. but seems to be downloading covers via xterm. yea. file manager kinda sucks. dont know why they dont allow you to access those files. you're the best

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So does anybody know how to get canola"1" working on the N800 with OS2008?

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What he said :D

Muchas gracias Wolf08, and shame on you Nokia or whoever is responsible for this mess.

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To avoid too much repetition, thanks Wolf, thanks Canola team. Nokia, we paid plenty for these tablets. Unacceptable.. yeah.

To some real feedback: It's great in every way I knew it would be from watching the videos.

Something I noticed instantly - an mp3 without an artist or album title no longer seems to appear as unknown as it did in the previous version of Canola, Kagu and the default player. The only way I can get to these is the All Songs view.

Can we get this back? A number of Podcast producers don't fill these fields in, perhaps not because they're lazy, but because they don't feel either technically apply to the content. I'd like to use C2 whilst driving.. Browsing All Songs is inviting disaster in that scenario. Picking them out of [Unknown] was absolutely fine. Of course I could be missing something obvious?

Great product guys.
Cheers,
Tom.

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Here's a bug for fans of the hardware button as pause/resume:

If you start a music track, browse to any point in the track using the transport bar, then pause it (either hardware button or screen button) then attempt to resume it with the hardware button, the track always returns to the beginning. Just me?

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Hi tom =) Could you please send this as suggestion, in the website? I think it's really something to consider. I will just make sure it goes into with consistency.

BR

Marcelo

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Where is the queuing?

I select a song to play. I expected to hold my finger/stylus down on another item and 'add' it to the playlist/queue. This way I can queue up several songs. I cant figure out how to do such a basic thing.

I'm not sure I'm a fan of this 'inertial scrolling' gimic either. I'm in the middle of a song and all of sudden some other item is selected. This would not be as bad if I could select 'Add to queue' as the default so the erroneous click simply appends a file to the current playlist, but instead it replaces whatever im in the middle of listening to with some random click.

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I have seen this once. At other times it has been OK. Maybe it depends on what you were doing before, or at the same time.

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I had that problem this morning. I just switched back to gpodder because I had to leave for work soon.

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Nice feature that we already thought about, but it's not implemented yet, probably in future versions. :-)

yes, you're the second to say that. Actually, first canola should have kinetic scrolling, but we disabled since 770 screen was not helpful... now with better screens like n810 and all the hype about it, we bring it back... maybe not that good? maybe make it optional? Let's see more reports.

PS: I'm using an iPhone for some days and I also find this same problem with it, it's actually a bit worse, since the screen is so sensitive that sometimes just a light touch on the screen on mistake can make phone calls... :-/

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From my quick time messing with it. It appeared to me that when you select a podcast for download, you must sit there patiently until it completes. Personally, I hit the back button thinking it would be downloading in the background. But when I returned, there was no indication that the file had been downloaded. When I pressed it again, I got 'error downloading' message. It is as if there is an existing/partial file somewhere that causes the attempt to download to fail.

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We are working on this for the final release =) after all is a beta.. we have some nice ideas on this.

I have answered this in your email (you send to the site)

So keep looking forward for the improvements on the scrolling we are going to really improve, we are experimenting with the variables for it.. to avoid wrong touches, but it's hard to get it right for all the devices and theres also the area where there's no kinetic (the side of the screen) use it for fast scroll (but cpu doesnt let us scroll a lot)

Marcelo

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We are looking very deeply on this one. Don't worry... but it was supposed to be downloading on the background : / we need to improve it a lot, so please keep sending bugs with all the detail you can in the garage page.

Thanks, Podcast is really crucial in our minds.

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See a few post back I was complaining about the scrolling, and the very same problem, it sucks.
After the novelity wears off, it's useless.

I want Conalo"1" back :(

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Probably? I admit I am new to this tablet technology, but shouldn't this be a basic requirement of any media player? Especially one like canola which allows browsing of a large music tree.

How is this player very useful (besides the pretty eye candy) without the ability to select a multiple songs? Do people just hit 'Play random' and thats it?


One idea I was thinking would be to add an 'undo' feature. So if you make an erroneous press you can undo it. Undo might be better than having to add pop dialogs of 'Are yuu sure' to solve this problem.

Also, is there a region of the screen (such as the strip on the right) reserved for scrolling with a finger? That way its impossible to press anything if you keep you finger there. Perhaps the 1/4 right side of the screen.

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Many thanks to Lupin3D for the installation of Canola beta. Also the new file manager is terrific. Now we can see where all our files are going.

Everyone seems to think the problems we are having are due to all the activity on OS2008 inundating the Nokia servers. Does anyone know for sure? Is there firsthand knowledge? A company as big as Nokia would have fixed the problem a long time ago but the problem persists. Even at 4am. I can't believe there are that many N800 users up at that time. Is there a way to contact Nokia and find out for sure? Also the Canola people would have a vested interest in making sure this rollout works. I have not seen any dialog from them either.

Just so you don't think I don't know what I am talking about, I am a 30 year veteran of IBM mainframe operating systems and networks. I am new to Linux but catching on quickly. If only the naming conventions were more meaningful. I sometimes feel like I am reading Russian.

Anyway, Thanks again for all your help.

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A simple fix for the scrolling would to have the scrolling on the right side of the playlist area, and the "click to play on left side"

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So what happens if you are plugged into your PC via USB. Then you copy some files to the Canola watched folders from the PC to the tablet?

I had to un-mark and then re-mark the folder as watched to get C2 to notice the changes.

Your description seems to confirm that these files would be missed.

Actually, it is worse than this because if you leave the tablet connected via USB you cannot navigate to sub-folders when you go to "Settings". Simply unmarking and re-marking the top-level folder "Internal Card", say, does not refresh the underlying marked folders so you have to disconnect and navigate down to the target folder.

Where do I post a bug?

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Hei =) We are always here =) And we were even more sad then the users with this repository problem. Why? simply because after so much work, so much problem... we finally made it.. and then BAM the repos goes down. But it happens, we are really cheering for them to fix it.

I personally asked permission to open a alternative repository, but I think people already did it,

So, we do have interest in everything in this working perfectly but its beyond our hands.

Marcelo
(if interests, I'm a interaction designer in the team)

Barbieri : is the lead developer
Morpheuz: is developer
and Kenne is also a developer...

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Not that the situation is at all acceptable or that I'm defending it, but I really get the impression from being new around here that the 'Internet Tablet Division' of Nokia is small, underfunded, and routinely pull their developers off of projects to work on other priorities. Yes Nokia is a large company, but they probably provide poor connectivity/hardware to the ITT division.

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Not a problem kingka! :) So did it work for you? If so, where are you downloading the covers from? Maybe now you could help me :o I've also got a folder full of .jpgs for the cover art.

Thanks :D

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Hi, actully this is concerns more to me =) We are experimenting and improving this, but we want to make sure our future visions in the design are kept... it's easy to add icons, and clutter to the UI but we really want to avoid.

I know this may piss of some people, but I (say that because that is my job in the project) want to keep it as simple as possible and with less button as possible.

BUT we do acknowledge that the problem exists.. and we will fix it the best wy possible!

Thanks for the suggestions

Marcelo

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Hi I think we will add a "force rescan button" in the settings, to give you that power, and of course improve the scanner.

The bug should be posted here :
https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?at...25&func=browse


Thanks in advance!

Marcelo

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Don't add buttons or anything, just pretend there is an imaginary line that splits the screen, on left side you scroll, the right side allows for click and play. Then wouldn't have to add nothing on the UI, and it would function better.

Or better yet make it like a link on webpage were have to click on the text, and every else is scroll.

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I grabbed the 2 script files that were linked in this thread. moved them to home/user then ran the command. I think it grabs them from amazon.com.... only about 60% of the albums have covers. but I guess thats good enough.. for now.. at least untill I figure out how to manualy add cover art.

now I'm trying to get the video thumbs to work.. but thats not that important....

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Ebe, it may work, it may not... we will for surely test it (as we a testing th side scroll) and we will do some usability test .. and the best option will be there =)

I know this probably may sound too much for you, but believe some users will just not get it, and we want to be able to provide the best way.. so we will iterate upon our options and pick up the best one!


But don't worry.. a good solution will come =)

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I not try to be rude, I'm just try through out some suggestion in an efford to help...Btw I edit that post I think a better idea might be to make like a link on a webpage where have to click on the text, and every else is scroll, just a though I'm sure you all will figure something out.

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Yes yes don't worry =) the thing to hear from everyone is to really collect all cases, and try to not solve with a first solution, that can solve that particular problem and them not other. for example:

You said the text. Ok, not a problem, but imagine the guy having a video called
1.avi the smallest hit area ever : /

But Im thinking how to place a safe scroll (this can be optional) and then the "this songs optional touch space"

=)

I will try to post some solutions on my blog

BR

Marcelo

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This thread is becoming too long and is becoming hard to read. Because of this, itT has decided to create a new forum dedicated to Canola discussions.

Please continue the discussion over at the new Canola sub-forum, under the Apps forum: http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...splay.php?f=32

This thread is now closed.

Thank you.