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allnameswereout

2008-10-01 17:28

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 229224)

I had some preinstalled docs trouble too, had to create a folder and an empy document, since the deb setup failed if they're not present.

+1 for deb install simulation (not only for SSU, probably will be best if all debs can be tested).

# apt-get -s dist-upgrade

:confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by vinc17 (Post 229303)

I sometimes do upgrades via ssh, but this wasn't the case here (and in general, I avoid upgrades of important packages via ssh).

Just use screen.

Bundyo

2008-10-01 17:48

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

I meant in the App Manager, most users don't use apt-get.

albright

2008-10-01 19:17

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Well ... I booted into flash, performed update (n810 would
not update from sd). Ran the new initfs_flash to reinstall
bootloader. All seemed to go well.

But now I can boot into flash normally, and I have the
multiboot menu, but if I try to boot to SD, the blue bar
gets half way and the device reboots ...

I guess I must re-clone the system to SD ??

What a PIA

GeneralAntilles

2008-10-01 21:01

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 229330)

I still don't understand how updating flash (internal build in memory) would update a boot from SD partition. Maybe the kernel yes. But individual packages should have to be updated on both the flash and SD correct?

Read the thread. I explained it earlier. :)

It's really quite simple, nothing at all is being touched on the other partition when you're updating one or the other. The version info is contained on the config partition which is common to all other partitions.

thaldyron

2008-10-01 21:29

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Does this update contain a new kernel?
After updating uname still shows:
Linux Nokia-N810-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Wed Jul 16 12:29:11 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown

Benson

2008-10-01 21:45

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by thaldyron (Post 229475)

Does this update contain a new kernel?
After updating uname still shows:
Linux Nokia-N810-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Wed Jul 16 12:29:11 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown

Yes, it has a new kernel.

Code:

$ uname -a

Linux Nokia-N800-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Tue Sep 30 03:24:41 CEST 2008 armv6l unknown

allnameswereout

2008-10-02 01:58

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 229479)

Yes, it has a new kernel.

Code:

$ uname -a

Linux Nokia-N800-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Tue Sep 30 03:24:41 CEST 2008 armv6l unknown

Are you sure? Both are #2, but the one thaldyron is running is compiled on 16 july 2008.

Linux Nokia-N810-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Wed Jul 16 12:29:11 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown

Linux Nokia-N800-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Tue Sep 30 03:24:41 CEST 2008 armv6l unknown

Your time zone is also CEST, not EEST.

Here is my N810 uname -v output, on updated SSU/Diablo, no custom kernel.

#2 Tue Sep 2 10:13:14 EEST 2008

Anyway, it doesn't matter much. Only thing added is WiMAX support. Right?

Benson

2008-10-02 02:08

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Well, mine is on an N800, so it's unsurprising that it's N800, and that it was built at a different time on a different machine (evidently in a different timezone); but the fact that Thaldyron's is from July rather than something close to September 30th makes it look like his kernel did not get updated...

(Oh, I just realized I have got an updated kernel for rotation -- still, something Septemberish should be correct on either platform, I'd think...)

Laughing Man

2008-10-02 02:40

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 229464)

So I would be correct in that when you update in flash, your not actually updating the packages specifically dealing with the browser, modest, or whatever in SD. Only in flash. And vice versa (if updating the SD, then you would not be updating those components in flash).

allnameswereout

2008-10-02 02:50

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 229535)

True, my point exactly. On the other hand they're all #2. Somebody did something wrong; that version should have been incremented to (at least) #3.

PS: Its just me or not, but when checking out the version I had to boot my tablet and geez... my tablet boots fast.

febb	2008-10-02 03:17

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

I don't know if this is related to the SSU v4.2008.36-5 but the story is as follows:

After the update and lock-up on infinite reboots (because, I suspect, I had installed the screen rotation feature); I updated it again to the original Diablo firmware.

I made the regular updates, including the first Diablo SSU and then the current (second) SSU. Everything seemed to be working fine, I even installed maemo mapper, gnumeric and some other regular stuff from the regular repos.

Today, having little battery left "less than an hour" and the N810 working perfectly on a WiFi network, I soft powered off the device and as soon as I got home I turned on the N810 and then turned it OFF to be plugged in to recharge the battery: as every other day. (I like to see the "chargning" and "battery full" labels on screen, thats is why I turned it off)

When I plugged in the battery charger, the white NOKIA logo screen came up and the device didn't boot. I couldn't even turn it off. I had to take the battery out. I put the battery in again and the same thing happened: NOKIA logo screen and locked device; no boot and not being able to turn it off.

FInally, after several attempts doing this, I plugged the USB cable (which was recognized, by the usb link symbol on the top right corner on the NOKIA logo screen) and finally was able to reflash the original Diablo firmware (again, for third time).

This has never happened before on my N810.

Questions are:

1) Any of you has experienced this lockup of your N810 with the same or similar conditions as described ?
2) Could it be related to the latest SSU ...?

Your comments are welcome. Thanks in advance.

Kind regards.

st5150

2008-10-02 05:18

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Can someone please upload their unmodified /etc/mce/mce.ini from this latest diablo update ? (this means you've never installed sliderotate )

kp4djt

2008-10-02 05:46

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

I just did the latest update and now there are two objects on my screen one is a large square that has the following in it (no contacts) not sure what it is supposed to be but I have contacts on the machine and they do not show up there. The other is a changing window of adverts, I have tried to figure out how to get rid of them, but seems a horrible way to inflict stuff on users. The one window appears to be attempting to offer downloads from the Maemo site. Anyone else seen this over the past few days with the latest update??

Benson

2008-10-02 05:55

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Well, I actually don't recall seeing it (surprisingly), but maybe I just put my selections back in without even thinking. At the home screen, choose the drop-down menu, pick Select applets..., and deselect any you don't like.

vinc17

2008-10-02 07:41

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 229387)

# apt-get -s dist-upgrade

This isn't sufficient for a simulation: it won't detect a failure in the install scripts. I doubt a simulation is possible anyway.

maacruz

2008-10-02 10:49

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by vinc17 (Post 229616)

This isn't sufficient for a simulation: it won't detect a failure in the install scripts. I doubt a simulation is possible anyway.

It could be done more or less easily using aufs/unionfs.

zzzy	2008-10-02 13:52

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!: All the issues I have found

Quote:

Originally Posted by maacruz (Post 229093)

I have gone through 4 update in... [snip] ...stall the new kernel and initfs

Would an admin please link maacruz's posting to the Troubleshooting message board and make it sticky... I wish I had found it last night before having spent 4 hours stabbing in the dark at software that seems to have been designed at Micro$oft (i.e.: "Update has failed", period: no log files, no technical details, no *&^$#%*& recovery option whatsoever).

I was lucky enough that my .36-5 update chocked while attempting to chmod the .documents directory tree (which used to reside on my mmc2 device) while still leaving the entire system in a stable state.

But after having (re)discovered teh trick with creating bogus *.pdf files under /usr/share/pre-installed/MyDocs/.documents/ and moving ~/MyDocs/.* back to internal storage, I also had to deal with version conflicts for libdb4.2 (= 4.2.52-18osso) and libglade2-0 (= 1:2.4.0-1osso2). I had to manually edit the Package: osso-software-version-rx34 entry in /var/lib/dpkg/status and replace the = sign with > in the Depends: line for the two dependencies above.

Oh, and also for those who choose to fix this from within the Application Manager application, changing the option clean-after-install to 0 in ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager helps shorten the trial-and-error cycles.

possessedskier

2008-10-02 13:53

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon85 (Post 229326)

Another positive experience....
Couldn't see the update on my dual boot when booting from SD, so;

apt-get clean
apt-get upgrade
reboot
no change in version numbers, sort of expected that.
reboot to flash
update via app manager
reboot
run penguinbaits install-tools
(forget that I didn't uninstall last time, uninstall install-tools, reinstall install tools.. 8-)
reboot
choose SD
version numbers updated...

That's exactly what I had to do. See my post here. The version number on the SD didn't change until I updated the flash also. I did uninstall sliderotate first and reinstalled it today with no problems. Thanks to all who continue to post solutions on this forum. The ITT and Ubuntu forums rock!

zzzy	2008-10-02 13:57

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by st5150 (Post 229595)

Can someone please upload their unmodified /etc/mce/mce.ini from this latest diablo update ? (this means you've never installed sliderotate )

Code:

[2|user@Nokia-N800-23-14|~]cat /etc/mce/mce.ini | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$

[Modules]

ModulePath=/usr/lib/mce/modules

Modules=homekey;battery;filter-brightness-als;inactivity;camera;alarm

[HomeKey]

HomeKeyLongDelay=800

HomeKeyShortAction=shortsignal

HomeKeyLongAction=longsignal

[PowerKey]

PowerKeyMediumDelay=1000

PowerKeyLongDelay=1500

PowerKeyDoubleDelay=1000

PowerKeyShortAction=menu

PowerKeyLongAction=poweroff

PowerKeyDoubleAction=disabled

[SoftPowerOff]

ConnectivityPolicyCharger=retain

ConnectivityPolicyBattery=forceoffline

ConnectivityPolicyPowerOn=offline

[DevLock]

DevLockDelay0=0

DevLockDelay1=1

DevLockDelay2=1

DevLockDelay3=5

DevLockShutdownTimeout=30000

[TKLock]

BlankImmediately=0

DimImmediately=0

DimDelay=3000

DisableTSImmediately=1

DisableKPImmediately=0

CameraPopoutUnlock=1

[KeyPad]

BacklightTimeout=10

BacklightFadeTime=100

[LED]

LEDPatterns=PatternError;PatternDeviceOn;PatternPowerOn;PatternPowerOff;PatternCommunicationCall;PatternCommunicationChat;PatternCommunicationEmail;PatternCommonNotification;PatternWebcamActive;PatternBatteryCharging;PatternBatteryFull;PatternPsychedelia;PatternDeviceSoftOff

[LEDPatternMonoRX34]

PatternError=0;1;0;250;500;15

PatternDeviceOn=254;0;0;75;5000;10

PatternDeviceSoftOff=253;0;0;100;10000;5

PatternPowerOn=10;3;0;2000;1000;15

PatternPowerOff=9;3;0;2000;1000;15

PatternCommunicationCall=30;1;0;250;2000;15

PatternCommunicationChat=30;1;0;250;2000;15

PatternCommunicationEmail=30;1;0;250;2000;15

PatternCommonNotification=30;1;0;250;2000;15

PatternWebcamActive=255;0;0;0;0;0

PatternBatteryCharging=50;4;0;500;7500;10

PatternBatteryFull=40;4;0;1500;0;10

PatternExample=42;1;30;500;1500;10

[LEDPatternNJoyRX44]

PatternError=0;1;0;40002000200040ff200020000000;0000;0000

PatternDeviceOn=254;0;0;4000205f20df7f007f007f007f000000;4000205f20df7f007f007f007f000000;4000205f20df7f007f007f007f000000

PatternDeviceSoftOff=253;0;0;4000203f20bf7f007f007f007f007f000000;4000203f20bf7f007f007f007f007f000000;0000

PatternPowerOn=10;3;0;4000207f207f01ff01ffc000;4000207f207f01ff01ffc000;4000207f207f01ff01ffc000

PatternPowerOff=9;3;0;4000017f017f36ff36ff7f00c000;4000017f017f36ff36ff7f00c000;4000017f017f36ff36ff7f00c000

PatternCommunicationCall=30;1;0;0000;0000;40007f00017f017f050001ff01ff0000

PatternCommunicationChat=30;1;0;0000;0000;40007f00017f017f050001ff01ff0000

PatternCommunicationEmail=30;1;0;0000;0000;40007f00017f017f050001ff01ff0000

PatternCommonNotification=30;1;0;0000;0000;40007f00017f017f050001ff01ff0000

PatternWebcamActive=20;1;0;4000027f027fc000;0000;0000

PatternBatteryCharging=50;4;0;0000;4000257f06ff7f0041000000;0000

PatternBatteryFull=40;4;0;0000;407f0000;0000

PatternPsychedelia=250;1;0;4000167f167f17ff17ff0000;40001300197f197f15ff15ff0000;4000237f237f130022ff22ff13000000

PatternExample=42;1;30;4000167f167f17ff17ff0000;4000167f167f17ff17ff0000;0000

[LEDPatternNJoyRX48]

PatternError=0;1;0;40002000200040ff200020000000;0000;0000

PatternDeviceOn=254;0;0;e10040101d701d70e0041d001df01df0e00440007f007f007f007f000000;e00240024d0de08016004d8de08040007f007f007f007f000000;0000

PatternDeviceSoftOff=253;0;0;4000204f20cf7f007f007f007f007f000000;4000204f20cf7f007f007f007f007f000000;0000

PatternPowerOn=10;3;0;40101d701d700106e00401ff01ffc000;40024d0ee08001ff01ffc000;0000

PatternPowerOff=9;3;0;40f07f007f007f007f007f001d001df01df0e0044000c000;40107f007f007f007f007f0016004d004d8ee0804000c000;0000

PatternCommunicationCall=30;1;0;0000;0000;40007f00017f017f050001ff01ff0000

PatternCommunicationChat=30;1;0;0000;0000;40007f00017f017f050001ff01ff0000

PatternCommunicationEmail=30;1;0;0000;0000;40007f00017f017f050001ff01ff0000

PatternCommonNotification=30;1;0;0000;0000;40007f00017f017f050001ff01ff0000

PatternWebcamActive=20;1;0;4000027f027fc000;0000;0000

PatternBatteryCharging=50;4;0;0000;4000257f06ff7f0041000000;0000

PatternBatteryFull=40;4;0;0000;407f0000;0000

PatternPsychedelia=250;1;0;4000167f167f17ff17ff0000;40001300197f197f15ff15ff0000;4000237f237f130022ff22ff13000000

PatternExample=42;1;30;4000167f167f17ff17ff0000;4000167f167f17ff17ff0000;0000

possessedskier

2008-10-02 13:59

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by kp4djt (Post 229600)

These are the Speed Contacts and Tableteer Info home screen applets. Click the home menu near the top left of the main screen then "Select applets" and uncheck them.

Amarantus

2008-10-02 14:27

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

I upgraded my N800 it works fine , of course have to reflash for boot from SD

maxinflixion

2008-10-02 15:28

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

I updated last night (n800) and got stcuk in the "unable to power off/no wifi" then endless boot loop.

So... I reflashed using the Nokia utility and all is well. And I didn't even mind havign to reinstall stuff since I just recently jumped back in to the NIT world and had installed way too much crap over the last week as it is.

Has anyone figured why this updated borks selected tablets yet?

Neon Samurai

2008-10-02 16:21

Thanks You Sir

Fanoush, thank you sir.

your boot loader menu is what makes the 512meg-non-removable-intarnal-flash tablet trully increadable instead of pretty good. It's been the foundation of my system installs since I first hit that crippling limitation with the N800.

Now, it tripple boots internal, os2007 and os2008 though my n810 remains a dual boot (may try os2007 against it just for fun).

I don't believe even half the possabilities of the hardware have yet been explored and what is possible already is enabled now only by your initfs loader.

(now, if I could only figure out an elegant way to avoid needing to reclone and reinstall my SD partition after initfs-flasher and diablo-kernel updates chew it each major release. But, that's a completely seporate issue for me to figure out.)

GeneralAntilles

2008-10-02 16:27

Re: Thanks You Sir

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon Samurai (Post 229736)

(now, if I could only figure out an elegant way to avoid needing to reclone and reinstall my SD partition after initfs-flasher and diablo-kernel updates chew it each major release. But, that's a completely seporate issue for me to figure out.)

Er? Why in the world would you need to reclone to the SD card after updating the initfs? :\

Neon Samurai

2008-10-02 16:38

Re: welcome to a new update all diablo os2008 users!

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikolajhendel (Post 228369)

update didn't go as planned for me. Broke boot from sd (which was expected), but the backup I did just before updating doesn't seem to work. The only thing I get back when restoring is bookmarks. Applications(list) is gone, so I have to reinstall from scratch...
Anyone else experiencing this? (and yes, I did remember to back everything up)

I have to reclone after initfs-flash and diablo-kernel updates though the semi-rolling distro aproach is much better than the complete image flash previous aproach.

One thing that may help you though as I haven't used the backup function when updating. I use the following:

internal flash hosts a clean OS install as cloning base and "rescue boot"

internal SD holds the default n810 data it ships with plus the memory swap file.

external SD holds partitions
- fat32 storage partition 4.5 gigs for media, documents, package archives and anything else I can fit
- ext2 storage parition 1.5 gigs for my cloned OS with breathing room for my system build.

When I do a initfs and kernel update (in this case, a major version OS update) I copy /home/user to /home/userback.

Once booted from the internal flash, I let update all get all the packages including initfs and kernel then unpack the latest boot menu from Fanoush. I don't use the auto cloning scripts though they are a handy reference to pluck specific lines from.
- mount the internal flash block as read only to /mnt/tmp.
- mount the ext2 partition from the SD as /mnt/floppy.
- under /mnt/floppy, remove all directories except /mnt/floppy/home
- under /mnt/floppy/home, remove /mnt/floppy/home/user if you like but don't remove that ./userback directory tree
- clone /mnt/tmp (internal flash) too /mnt/floppy (SD ext2 partition)
- do your initfs_flasher steps from Fanoush's tarball, the script that only rebuilds an flashes the initfs
- reboot from SD and make sure the clean clone works
- copy any config files and directories from /home/userback to /home/user. I usually copy the directories or MyDoc at least then the .files as needed after I reinstall each prefered application.

I've done this since os2007 with a nice smooth transition of config and saved data each time. With my data primarily stored on the SD's fat32 parition, it is mostly just copying config files back into place.

gemniii42

2008-10-02 16:42

Re: Thanks You Sir

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon Samurai (Post 229736)

How did you get 512meg-non-removable-intarnal-flash?
Is that an upgrade I missed?

Neon Samurai

2008-10-02 16:48

Re: welcome to a new update all diablo os2008 users!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 228382)

Mine (#3542) is now working - but was just before the update (workaround for my issue on the bug list)

Your actually better off without a functioning auto-check for your email. There is some security risk in having apps anounce you out over the wifi automatically when connected. Especially if your not using spop/smtps. Making involuntary noise when connected sucks but trumpetting your uname/passwd every five minutes would be much worse. I find it as easy to hit the update button when I'm ready to check for new email. My email clients on the workstations at home don't even auto-check.

Neon Samurai

2008-10-02 16:50

Re: welcome to a new update all diablo os2008 users!

Quote:

Originally Posted by rok (Post 228391)

No problems so far!
The browser is really fast!

Was Flash in fullscreen (youtube) possible before? I can't remember.

Try the MyTube if it keeps giving you grief. I've had good luck using MyTube exclusively for youtube video viewing.

GeneralAntilles

2008-10-02 16:53

Re: welcome to a new update all diablo os2008 users!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon Samurai (Post 229745)

I have to reclone after initfs-flash and diablo-kernel updates though the semi-rolling distro aproach is much better than the complete image flash previous aproach.

Um, yeah, I don't think you understand what the initfs and kernel flashing procedure does. It doesn't touch your rootfs on either the internal NAND nor any partitions on the card.

There is no need to reclone, all of your information is still there, you just have to reflash the initfs so you can boot from the card. . . .

Neon Samurai

2008-10-02 17:02

Re: welcome to a new update all diablo os2008 users!

Quote:

Originally Posted by lm2 (Post 228418)

Can you say more? I always boot from SD, and last SSU worked fine for me, but I can't remember if I had to install SSU in both flash and when booting from SD. So:

1. Will I need to install SSU from both flash and while booting from SD?
2. Will I need to do the same with fanoush's flasher?

Thanks!

I'm trying to figure out an elegant way to do the same. using rsync to duplicate only the changed files to the SD clone was one thought I had. I'm going to try updating the internal flash install, fanoush's initfs then the SD in that order first though. the internal update means the newer initfs can be rebuilt with the boot menu then the SD can be updated from the repositories to keep it in sync. It may mean a second initfs flash for the boot menu after though.

A tip; don't do half an update on the SD isntall then reboot. I updated a few of the NIC related packages from the top of the list then hit some packages asking for dependencies. I figured I'd finish the surgical update later and rebooted. My wireless radio has stopped functioning after the reboot now though so it must have had some other dependencies or modules in the kernel that are not package dependencies. I expect updating the clean internal flash install will be a non issue with the "update all" button or an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade since the wifi issue should only be effecting my SD install. If not, I'll do a complete reflash and build it all up from the bottom again.

Thought it was worth mentioning so other's can avoid chewing there wireless connectivity unexpectedly.

Neon Samurai

2008-10-02 17:11

Re: welcome to a new update all diablo os2008 users!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 228439)

Right, the tablet typically has to be online for 24 hours straight for auto alerts to work.

I get update notifcations regularily. I don't reboot often except when getting the wifi nic back out of permiscuous mode so I can connect to wireless again. I regularily use offline mode when not near trusted wireless also. I figured the update notifier was simply using a date stamp from the last check to try again every day or week.

You can also just open the package manager and hit the update button though.

lm2	2008-10-02 17:35

Re: welcome to a new update all diablo os2008 users!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon Samurai (Post 229756)

I'm going to try updating the internal flash install, fanoush's initfs then the SD in that order first though.

If at any time you find that SD is not showing any ssu update, do this, then check app manager again.

Neon Samurai

2008-10-02 17:41

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Sorry if this has been answered before but is there a reason Nokia can not turn Maemo into a true rolling distro rather than instead of a mostly rolling distro with kernel and init flashing? Is that a hardware design issue that could go way with the next tablet platform?

I must admit, I've been spoiled by "apt-get dist-upgrade" on larger little iron's

GeneralAntilles

2008-10-02 17:54

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon Samurai (Post 229780)

The whole boot process is changing in Fremantle.

Texrat

2008-10-02 18:03

Re: welcome to a new update all diablo os2008 users!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon Samurai (Post 229762)

There was further discussion after that post, so that's the wrong one to respond to.

tso	2008-10-02 18:20

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 229785)

The whole boot process is changing in Fremantle.

its starting to look as if fremantle is more "toss the whole thing and start over from scratch" then "fix what appears to be broken"...

could be a good thing, could be bad (and im no optimist when it comes to tech companies, or just about any large organization in general).

Benson

2008-10-02 18:55

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

The way I see it, it's more "toss all the things that are Nokia's own concoction and have not been adopted more widely"; AFAICT, we're still keeping Matchbox (not Nokia's invention) and Hildon (Nokia's invention, but is adopted). Not strictly true, of course; we're still dumping kdrive, which is not Nokia's; but you get the idea. Maybe it's just the idealist/optimist in me, but it looks like they are trying to fix the non-(supposedly)-"value adding" uniquenesses, which is a good thing.

Of course, the cynical might just say they're trying to have more of their stuff taken care of by upstream projects, so they have more man-hours to put into breaking stuff from upstream...

Neon Samurai

2008-10-02 19:01

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 229785)

The whole boot process is changing in Fremantle.

Cheers, I can live with it until then. Now I have to go read over Ari's keynote.

Now that I have my N800 back, I'll be using that as a test platform before changing my N810 which will make this sort of thing smoother. First test will be updating internal, boot menu, SD, boot menu and see if that does it. My particular illness enjoys rebuilding an OS from scratch each major version but it would be nice to avoid it a little easier on my PDA. The issue seems like it will take care of itself in v5 so one more recloning won't hurt me.

Now, if the Ruby folk would hurry up and get Gems working with the new version. I could use the update all or apt-get upgrade blindly then. Until then, I think configuring apt to not upgrade the ruby package through the applicable config file will fix that.

Neon Samurai

2008-10-02 19:21

Re: Thanks You Sir

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 229739)

Er? Why in the world would you need to reclone to the SD card after updating the initfs? :\

The short answer may be a PICNIC issue; problem in chare not in computer.

This last update, I broke the wifi under the SD boot by taking a few update packages indavidually instead of finishing the job all at once. Since rebooting.. no wifi connectivity.

The previous update seemed to update ok but then consistantly hung on boot with the process bar about half way across so that was a recloning fix too.

I basically have to update the internal flash install and the SD install and have not yet had luck with the kernel and initfs update packages. As it seems to work for others, I think the issue is my aproach more than anything else. It would also be easier if I wasn't stubburn about how I did my cloning rather than just using the clone package or scripts available (I like my mounts under /mnt instead of two temporary root folders).

I often learn these things the hard way but, like security, if I don't break it then how am I to know how to fix/harden it? ;)

Neon Samurai

2008-10-02 19:29

Re: Thanks You Sir

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Originally Posted by gemniii42 (Post 229746)

How did you get 512meg-non-removable-intarnal-flash?
Is that an upgrade I missed?

I could be mistaken but I thought the internal flash block the factory default setup sits on was 512 meg because 256 seems a bit small. I tried to confirm on mine here just now but it's booted of the SD and it's been a long while since I've booted the internal flash.

Now, the internal SD non removable and limited to 2 gig.. if that is really the N800's removable SD slot under the plastic shell, me and a rotary tool may be getting an internal SD upgrade. I haven't had the guts to look into that beyond theory yet though. The only thing I missed between the N800 and N810 was the two removable allowing the device to max out around 8*2 = 16 gig of SD storage.

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