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well the Maemo 5 announcement included some kind of Cellular data connectivity

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Just found a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Geeks poking around in the code and getting a good understanding of what is to come. This is, in many ways, better than waving a device around on stage.

(found via the Fremantle wiki entry, which has some very informative timeline stuff in it)

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The WiMAX Edition went official at WiMax World in Chicago - September 2007.
http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news...ts-in-2008.ars

In any event, I think you have to disregard it in the pattern analysis as it was a one-off version closely linked to Xohm. In fact, there was a joint Sprint/Nokia press release of the WiMax internet tablet development in early 2007 when Xohm was cranking up.

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Looking through bluez:audio/telephone-maemo.c from the SDK also reveals interesting features, such as:

• Inbound voice calls
• Conference calling
• GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA support
• and lots of other little bibbly bobs

Whether all of these would appear in the "Maemo 5 lead device" (aka RX-51), we don't know. But companies generally dislike writing code which is never used :-)

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Based on certain comments from Nokia about smartphones and Linux, I think Maemo with cellular voice is inevitable. I don't think it'll be this generation, however.

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you have never worked for my employer then...

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I'd rather take a look at the "CSD call plugin" referenced at the start of the file, as the bluez stuff might relate to tethered operation (which would be cool, too, but not the real thing). Then again, if I just said something extremely silly, feel free to disregard me :)

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surprise :)

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....5-09nokmid.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/n...m-powered-mid/

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that's a mockup.

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Not only is it a mockup, it's a serious contender for the MHKEIHOEINKTIAA.

...

(Most Hideous Keypad Ever In the History Of Everything I'm Not Kidding This Is Awful Award)

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Yeah, perhaps the mockup designer didn't quite catch the idea of what a diamond keyshape keyboard would look like. :)

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So according to the Fremantle roadmap (http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle) we're expecting a new drop of the SDK 'around' Feb
also the bossa conference is March 8th
Is this the next likely venue to get latest progress info? Maybe some pictures of any new interface etc?
the timeline indicates a beta somewhen march-may, are there any obvious confrences/events around then that might make sense as an announcement platform?
Just idly wondering...

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Please please please, NOT a prism-style keypad on a tablet!

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Don't worry, it'll be like the Macbook Wheel.

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... while this post receives the MHATGLAA ! :-)

(Most Hilarious And Totally Greek-Looking Acronym Award)

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I didn't, either. Could you post a picture or two of what it looks like? ;)

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I managed to get my hands on a leaked image from Nokia that has yet to be discovered...Sorry, the image is a little blurry.

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And small! ;)

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And drawn in Microsoft Paint!

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I went to a S60 user even last night a met somebody on the Nokia N-Series team.

Some basic info.

The new tablet is expect around Father's day. Keeyp track of when the prior tablets were released and the new one is expected around the same time.

The tablet will be bigger than the current N810 and have direct SIM Card/GSM Support. Nokia don't want the tablets to compete against the mobile (N97) segments. So they're going to make it less pocketable and more like a PC. (People will buy the tablet and their phones)

Buttons/keypad will improve and the new tablets will come in variations. Instead of a single say N810 model. They will have multiple models with different CPU, RAM and HD at various price - like a PC.

You can check out recent Nokia news/press and see that their CEO is announcing that they are going into the PC industry. The information aligns with Nokia computing efforts.

For the past few years, Nokia have been using 770, 800 and 810 users/programers to test out the product and prepare them to built the real tablet expect this summer.

And the news is this time they're "serious", the prior tablets were release in small batch production with no intent to make money. This time they're manufacturing in them for the masses.

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Well, I would imagine them referring to something like this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QNsCmSfL9Z...bile+Phone.JPG

Or then take the mockup and slide the rows together so that there's no empty areas. Pretty basic stuff.

But if it would make sense, everybody would be doing it. :)

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:mad:What are you talking about?..Whatever would give you that sort of impression? It's completely legit! People these days...:D

Edit: The pandora may be a scam, but I learned a few interesting marketing tactics from them. :)
Source: http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=43555

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What the heck is this? He said "never say never, we are looking into it". Doesn't sound like announcement to me.

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If the next tablet is bigger than the N810 then count me out. If I want a netbook I'll buy one from another manufacturer for probably much cheaper.. The size is the primary reason I still carry my N810 around, if it were any larger and I needed a bag to carry it, I wouldn't.

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It could be a bit larger, as in 5" screen with less filling around it, and still be a carry-around tablet :-)

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Agreed. This has to be a jeans-pocket device for me.

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Do you mean June 21st, the Summer Solstice? Midsummer Night?

I know what this Daddy's getting for Father's Day ;)

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Wonder where is that n-series team person from. Since father's day is 9th November in Finland according to Wikipedia.

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These S60 user events you speak of, do they smoke them funny looking cigarettes there? :cool:

This part^ does not make any sense to me. The bit about it being built for the masses is doubtful too, IMHO. :)


Nokia has captured 100% of the market... They created it.


(A long battery life, handheld, electronic device that can browse the internet, and by design is 90% community supported.)

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Oh, I want to believe it so bad, but my bogosity meter keeps tripping. I can't help but think that Nokia dude would be just a little more concerned about keeping his job...

A larger (i.e., N800 or a hair larger, with more nearly fullscreen N810ish design, but with the DPAD!), more PC-competing device would make me really happy. But there's no need to fight pocketability here, and I'm sure the folks behind this alleged decision realize that. The N810 is far bigger than most phones already, and I think anyone who would get a full-size (Navigator/N97 class) smartphone and a larger tablet would get them both anyway -- they obviously have enough money and like their tech toys. I think people trying to fill specific needs would almost always choose a big, powerful, usable smartphone alone, or a tablet with an equally capable, but more compact (and slightly less convenient in use) smartphone, but not two big qwerty machines.

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This seems highly unlikely. As far as we know the device will use the OMAP3430 and I doubt that they'd change it even if they manufactured several models. I have the impression that Nokia's smartphone lineup also uses pretty much the same CPUs.

So I call BS on that message :)

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And that's the problem. Nothing concrete from Nokia allows room for this "he say/she say" type of stuff.

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Ok, it's time for a discussion about What Business Is Like, even if it is somewhat of a thread hijack, sorry.

People are always talking about the "intention" or "secret plan" of this company or that. The fact is that all companies (and governments, for that matter) are built out of a combination of groups with clashing perspectives. Who wins whatever contest depends on how the wind is blowing, or the business equivalent.

In the case of Nokia, this eerie decision to basically drop the N810 without an immediate replacement seems weird.

Have you noticed the economic environment has been changing?

I bet anything that SOMEONE at Nokia is wondering if the whole tablet thing is the right way to go. It would be a shame to waste a lot of money on a project destined to fail.

I'm not saying that this perspective is going to win at Nokia, but the weird gap reminds me of the silence after the release of the video chat beta for the N800. Remember it was a beta, it was a beta, and then ... silence. And then people started saying that it was never guaranteed anyway, it had just been a beta, never a serious plan?

(That's the first time in my experience, btw, that a beta resulted in an absolutely abandoned project. I'm sure that there have been other instances, but they are damned scarce. Imagine Ubuntu releasing a beta, and then announcing a few weeks later -- "uh, we've decided to drop the whole idea.")

I remember my Timex Sinclair 2068, a pretty cool computer, which Timex threw down an elevator shaft just weeks after some made their way to my local Toys 'R Us, and I eagerly bought one.

So, I don't think we completely know that Nokia is going to continue this project at all.

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Obviously nobody can ever be certain of anything, but I think your conclusion is based on incomplete information. You do realize that Maemo SW has been hiring like mad over the past year, right? You do also realize that they've been working very hard on the next software release (and, so far, we've had 2 pre-alpha releases to prove it) and that there's quite a lot of information about the potential hardware for the next release, right?

I mean, all the strong assurances from Nokia employees that Maemo isn't going anywhere anytime soon could just be a marketing and that little tidbit about Linux ending up on high-end Nokia phones could just be nothing, or, again, you might just not have the full picture. Companies don't generally pour money into things they're planning to kill.

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What silence are you getting from Maemo? The fact that you are not hearing what you want to hear doesn't mean that there is silence.

Let's link again to http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle . Last edit, two days ago.

The list of enhancement requests and bugs fixed also grows there every week. Search for "FiF" at http://www.octofish.net/bugjar/ and you will see reports FIXED in Fremantle just last week.

And finally, let's list again to http://www.nokia.com/imaginemaemo . 28 positions open for you to apply right now, 3 of them posted 2 days ago.

These URLs + the Fremantle SDK releases are relatively simple to track and they tell a lot for those willing to hear: Maemo developers and the Maemo community, our main target for all this communication.

If then the blogosphere feels more excited about vague rumors and even cheap home made cut & paste mockups...

That's fine and even somewhat understandable. But I don't think anybody can blame us for being silent. And I wonder about the substance of any Maemo discontinuity panic based on all the tangible information coming from reliable sources.

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Aha! So it IS June 21st!

;)

EDIT: Quim, you're going to have to do something about that "a mature alpha SDK with new Hildon application framework and API freeze" being expected "Around February" ... at least you'll have to do something in the next day... Either move it above "Expected" or change it to "Around March"... And that suggests you should change the Beta to "April-May" ...

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Why? "Around" generally implies "in the vicinity of". January and March are both "in the vicinity of" February. It doesn't say "in February".

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There was a snarky post here. But it's gone. And I'm off to bed. Maybe there'll be a "Mature Alpha" waiting for me tomorrow!

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... around tomorrow. ;)

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...wouldn't "march" be "around february"? (whereas "february" is "february" and not "around february")

:confused: