Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Thanks for that info too! I added a comment to the bug, and voted for it.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Holy monster thread...

So what's the consensus here, do we all think n900 kicks moto droids arse?

Guess that's a given considering I'm in a Nokia forum :D

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

The Droid's bigger screen is unfortunately hampered by its capacitive nature, unless you like muddling approximately through life, or in this case, its screens. I don't like things opening when I don't intend for them to, especially on phone processors which are underpowered relative to desktops.

Sure, you can use internet radio in preference to FM, but unless every one of your vehicles has Bluetooth, you can't transmit it to the radio.

Multi-touch is fanboy-ism at its finest.

The Droid has one big advantage, and that is it is available. In stores. Right now.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

You mean the one with the qwerty, I thought it was still a concept to be released next year?

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Using the Droid since Friday, no sign of my N900 preorder to compare to. Screen is sweet and 3G coverage too. One thing Droid seems to do better is Youtube. HQ Youtube with zero lag and all the demos of the N900 show stutter for at least the first few seconds. How hard is it to make a precache for the N900? That must be the problem, since same chipset and similar screen res.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

This is the one with the qwerty?
Have you seen anywhere where there's detailed comparison of specs etc?

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Yes, it is the one with the QWERTY. Same processor as the N900, 850x480 screen. Check it at your local Best Buy, or head over to Phonescoop.com or similar for the details.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Rushmore: are you running YouTube through the Droid's browser (Flash) or are you using a YouTube app?

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Seems like such a minor detail, to me, the whole FM tuner, but still: I've never actually seen one of these FM transmitter things they sell for cars that actually WORKS. I've owned two, and both of them were always getting interference with stations, I had to change the station, still would get static or occasional radio channel chatter...so I just wonder: has somebody actually tested the N900's FM transmitter and seen that it can be used in a city? Sure, if you're driving through North Dakota (or anywhere in Finland except the south...), I'm sure it works fine. But what about in places where there's a new station every 0.20 Mhz? Just curious. It's of little use if you have to adjust the station every 10 minutes when driving.

Anyway, a aux-in input will be one of the biggest requirements for my next car. Bluetooth or FM, don't care, neither one beats a good old fashioned cable.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

FM transmitter works fine in my car in my city. But, while the spectrum is crowded, and it takes some searching, there isn't a new station every 0.20 Mhz here.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Good point, since Android does not run embedded, but launches
the Youtube app. No built in Flash support yet. Can N900 run with an app if that is the problem? The issue seems to be during the first few seconds, which suggests a cache stream issue rather than chipset bottleneck.

N900 better hurry, I am getting used to the VZN 3G ;)

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Yes, the N900 will probably have a variety of YouTube apps that won't have the lag problem. That is caused by the non-optimised version of Flash.

Flash 10 should be much better for video watching... when it comes out... whenever that is.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Found Engadget review thanks, doesn't look competitive hardware-wise imo...

There are those who scream that Android is a greatly superior dev. platform...
I still fail to see the logic behind that, they're both good in their own ways.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

I find the Cliq to be Nintendugly. It looks like it comes with a free stick of bubblegum and a balsa airplane kit.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Went hands-on with the Droid today. I had been thinking about getting one, considering the poor experience I've had with Nokia customer service of late and because of the Verizon network. Although it's a cool device - especially the navigation - I came away having decided I won't be getting it.

A few thoughts:
-- I wasn't all that impressed with the build quality. Most reviews have praised it highly, but imo my old SE K750i was more solid and well put-together (albeit not a slider).

- The device I tested was pretty laggy at times, especially with a bit of Android-style "multi-tasking." Don't know if it was just because it was a floor model, but I wasn't at all impressed with the speed or responsiveness.

-- Was able to test a few YouTube videos through the built-in player. Even for HQ versions, the quality was less than what I expected.

-- The screen is excellent for reading text

-- The keyboard is better than it looks in many online pictures. That being said, it still sucks. No feedback, tiny keys, not very usable. Plus, the two dead keys are just funny to me.

-- The magical camera fix seems to have improved the quality of pictures, but they still seem pretty mediocre to me.

-- As expected, the google services integration is really solid, especially the quality of the voice recognition which is nearly unbelievable. This is something I hope will be moved to the top of the Maemo development priority list.

-- The media interface is nothing to write home about, although the speaker sounds loud and crisp.

I realize much of this has been said by others already, but I thought another novice opinion might be of interest to someone. The Droid is nice, but the capabilities of the N900 do surpass it in many ways. Android 2.0 also offers some good benchmarks to consider for making Maemo even more functional than it already seems to be.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Good to hear the opinion of someone who's had a chance to evaluate the two of them. Glad to hear that "on balance" the N900 triumphs in the software environment. This is where the war will be won, not subtle hardware differences. But as we all know this is only a side skirmish, many battles will come...

I'm wanting to quote Churchill right about now but my memory fails me :D

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

I have to agree with most of what's being said. We own a Droid, and I'm waiting for my N900 to arrive still, so at some point both with be in my household. The Droid is a very nice device, even with some if it's limitations...but I still believe it can't compete with the features offered on the N900 platform. Which is why I've not canceled my pre-order and purchased a Droid for myself (the one we already have is used by the wife, it's not my phone).

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

After using Droid for one week, it is a great device, due in part to great 3G. As far as HQ video, you need to pick the option, since it is not default. HQ looks as good as desktop and perhaps "better" due to smaller screen.

32gb, no need to re-encode vids, sd slot not blocked by battery, not Android and $400 contract out from Tmo makes me stick with the N900.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Hey Guys,

Since the N900 and DROID are using the same CPU and GPU it shouldn't be too hard to port it to DROID. Android has been ported to a lot of devices already. including x86-Netbooks. There's even a live CD for pc's. It's not that hard. And this would mean a lot more people would be able to experience the magic of Maemo. So is there any community group project working on this already? If not, why?

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

If the access to the ROM or booting from an SD card is possible, they could use Mer.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Maemo is owned by Nokia and they aren't likely releasing it to anyone.

Mer on the other hand can be put on any device.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

I think that is the problem , It will be hard to compete with Android if Nokia doesnt want other manufacturers to use Maemo

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

Or GNU Hurd.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

I wonder if Eldar's opinion is based on that famous pre production n900 review. I cant imagine Android being faster than maemo especially on a less powerful cpu and lower total RAM. If indeed Android is faster then its really a slam on the java bashers on this forum. I am so happy that moto has made a strong comeback. Looks like flailing Nokia will become the new laggard - cant even manage a basic release of n900.

Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 

wow. Moto releases two Android devices, only one of which is anything to sing home about, and now they've made a comeback?? I'm rooting for Moto, but they have to deal with HTC, Apple, RIM, SE, and Samsung, and Nokia will be on at&t and TMobile decks in 2010, so they aren't working in a vaccuum. Mindshare isn't market share. Ask Palm. Pre anyone? Pixi? No?

N900 vs Milestone
 

Right, just a quick poll regarding these two devices.

Milestone will support flash 10... hmm
Will the N900 support it as well?

Re: N900 vs Milestone
 

Yeah, Adobe demoed flash 10 on mobile devices on the n900 first. It's coming Q1 of 2010.

Re: N900 vs Milestone
 

Yes it will :)

watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pee3nT4bPw4

Re: N900 vs Milestone
 

Oh that's neat!

Re: N900 vs Milestone
 

I've used a demo version of the Motorola Droid, to get a feel for its keyboard.
I've used a demo version of the Nokia N97, to get a feel for its keyboard.

What I'm about to say depends upon the fidelity of the above two statement to the real life Motorola Milestone and the real life Nokia N900. I understand that that might not be a valid assumption, but, that said:

The Motorola keyboard absolutely sucks posterior orifices. The Motorola keyboard is so bad, that it has completely turned me off from hoping that the Milestone will come to a US GSM carrier.

On the otherhand, I had been worried about the feel of the N97/N900 keyboard. The N810's keyboard was one of the worst I had encountered on a mobile device. Instead, I found the N97 keyboard to be quite comfortable and usable. The feel/ergonomics of it is quite nice. If the N900 turns out to have a similar key-feel to the N97, it's going to be one of the best, for feel/ergonomics, mobile keyboards I've used. I'd still prefer a 5 row keyboard, though.

So. There you go. On N900 vs Milestone, I don't want a milestone at all, and I still have hope for the N900.

Re: N900 vs Milestone
 

WTF droid getting Adobe Connect? Not N900?

Re: N900 vs Milestone
 

I've posted some camera pictures from N900 vs. Milestone taken under identical conditions
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1413

Re: N900 vs Milestone
 

The N900 keyboard is 2.42 light years ahead of the Droid/Milestone's. Looks and usability.

Re: N900 vs Milestone
 

3 row vs 4 row? How is the n900 light years ahead?
And from what jkkmobile.com says, the droid/milestone's keyboard gets better once you get used to it. Good feedback and response.

Re: N900 vs Milestone
 

Four rows takes your fingers one more row away from a touchscreen. So that can be argued either way. On the Droid, the bottom row is essentially Alt, Space, and even 2 blank keys - do you construe that to be a good use of that extra reach for your fingers?

The Droid's keybd is also, in terms of tactility, a flat, featureless expanse - as boring in the flesh as in the pictures. The N900's is a Thinkpad keybd to the Droid's $5 Chicony. Any keybd gets better once your fingers (thumbs, really) develop some muscle memory, but the Droid's isn't about to get better than the N900's, which looks and feels better in person than in pictures.

Re: N900 vs Milestone
 

I was reading some recent reports about the Moto Milestone/Droid and looks like there have been quality control issues and design flaws - e.g. the battery cover falling off. Some of the whinging is because the s/w is a bit raw, so I'd hold off the decision over n900 or Droid/Milestone just for the moment!

The news that the droid has been r00ted is good, not sure if the milestone has been yet, but it can't be far behind! However, I think the n900 is a better device if you want to be able to use it as intended as well as hack about, IME the more you deviate from the mainstream/supported distro the less likely you are to have a stable useable device all the time!

Why not milestone?
 

I have very hard time in deciding which phone to pick..

The n900 advantage in clear to me while this is what I thought are the advantage on the milestone:
13.7mm thin
165g weight
capacitive
multi-touch
better battery time
OS future is more known and better application width..

Why in your opinion should one get the n900 and not the milestone?

Re: N900 vs Milestone
 

The thread "Why not milestone?" with one post has been merged into this thread.

Nokia N900 vs Moto Droid
 

The biggest think that scared me when looking at the Nokia N900 was the lack of apps and support. Knowing that the phone has yet to sign with T-Mobile in the USA yet and being that this is Maemo's First Smartphone, I was not confident on how many people would actually pick up this EXPENSIVE super phone being that they would have to pay FULL price, no cellular contract hand-outs.

On the other knowing that the power in COMPLETELY Linux OS base I know that their are a bunch of developers who are going to pick this bad boy up and hack the living hell out of it. In addition to the wealth of linux based quality applications I have used while Ubuntu Linux Base OS on my Laptop.


Most of these apps work on the N900 and/or CAN BE EASILY MADE INTO MOBILE ONES.


So the N900 is in stores now and was put on sale just in time to compete with the latest Google Android powered Phone the Motorola Droid for Christmas.

I saw a ton of Verizon / Motorola Droid ads on Television this season but not a single one for the Nokia N900.


So who picked up the most users?

Well according to Flickr its a tie!!!!


almost ....


The Nokia N900 has a total of 37,123 pictures Uploaded to Flickr

# 392 items uploaded yesterday

# 109 users yesterday

while . . . .

Motorola Droid has a total of 38,202 pictures Uploaded to Flickr

# 423 items uploaded yesterday

# 108 users yesterday


So let do the math

open up your calculator app :)

Lets start off with the Motorola Droid

423 Daily Pix DIVIDED BY the 108 USERS can amount to 3.916 pictures uploaded per user on average.

Now lets take the Total Number of Pictures on Flickr 38,202 & DIVIDED that by the average # of photos uploaded per user 3.916 and let leaves us with an estimated 9,753 Motorola Droid users who also use flickr.


Wow 9,753 flickr users thats now bad at all.
(I am sure the million dollar ad campaign is paiding off);)


Now lets see how the Nokia N900 did

392 N900 PIX / 109 N900 USERS = 3.596 Avarage Pictures Per User

37,123 TOTAL N900 PICTURES / 3.596 APPU it would take to upload those pictures and you get a grand total of 10,323 Nokia N900 users who share their pictures on Flickr.


10,323 that's about 600 more than the Motorola Droid !!!!


With little to no advertising!?!?!?!?


Powered primarily by Online Hype and the desire for a Good Solid (Linux Based) Device. I mean Jesus the phone isn't even on a major network in the US yet and the MOTO DROID is on Verizon the LARGEST Mobile phone company in the entire country while the most users.


Now I know that my Flickr math can not be considered an exact science by far (and if you can find a better source for these exact numbers please be my guest to share it ) but even if the numbers are wrong and the MOTO DROID wins it honestly can't be by that much of a margin. What does this tell us about Maemo and the N900?


When people actually get a chance to see it (and learn about it) they WANT IT and they will go out and get it no matter the cost.

(this also can be used to compare the use of TV Commercial marketing VS online Blogging and Word of Mouth)

So what do you guys think???

Re: Nokia N900 vs Moto Droid
 

Well I don't know. I more prefer N900.