Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Quoted for emphasis.

Re: how old is the leaked pr 1.2 ?
 

Lord. At this rate, she'll be over the hill before that happens ;)

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

You can download its source, and stuff, of the open source components from their source code repositories.

You can even download the binaries from the SDK repository.

However, the fact that it is open source, doesn't mean that people should be messing around with it.
At least, no end users.

Re: how old is the leaked pr 1.2 ?
 

MR0 to me sounds like Maintenance Release 0.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

More features != more mature.

A big part of quality assurance is to make sure that all the new components (newly merged codebranches, etc) can work together well and test them in as many situations as possible.

We don't even know the exact testing platforms used. Perhaps the test phones have certain features (or lack thereof) that makes it easier to reflash or getaround certain issues, so they leave out the safeties.

Etc.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I thought N900 isn't a 100% open source phone. (I believe quite a few areas are closed source. Drivers etc)

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Let me phrase the question differently- just as "food for thought" for all those critical of the OP.
How many of you, that didn't flash their phones - because they are responsible people - followed the threads of those who did, in order to try and see whether it worked and what is good and bad about FW1.2?
If you did, aren't you building on the experience and gumption of those who had the guts to try? Are you hoping that any bugs that were exposed by those who tried will be fixed by Nokia before the release?
So why be self-righteous?

Re: how old is the leaked pr 1.2 ?
 

Actually, no matter if it is 11 or 12. It was ~2 months ago.

CONCLUSION: It is not the RC as most people believe it is, but more likely one of the alpha, or early beta builds.

I'm not trying it.
BTW, stuff like this is the BEST way for hackers to embed trojans, keyloggers, and other sh*t.
(At least, if I were an evil person, this is exacly how I would do it.)

(The same applies for the pirated versions of Windows coming from unknown sources. Most of them are full of malware.)

Re: How old is the leaked PR1.2?
 

Well, if you look at the firmware downloads @ nokia (tablets-dev.nokia.com) you'll see that all the Global releases are MR0 and the others are XXX. So I'd say volt's assumption at least appears correct.

Re: How old is the leaked PR1.2?
 

gerbick, I had a similar experience, but in my case "she" wasn't too young, but a shemale. ^^

Re: Is PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

I know noone forced me but I did it anyways despite the warnings and I'm responsible for the consequences related to the upgrade.

So what's your point?


http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

Now I can't point out the lines that make you sound clueless because they're all pretty good contenders. You're obviously a guy who doesn't know what he's doing (nor saying!) :)

If you read the thread carefuly, I clearly asked a question to have an idea of how the community was expecting PR1.2 to be. If you have a problem against me because you feel insulted by my threads then I apologize in advance and invite you keep doing what you do best and use your overclocking "skills" to boost that slow mind of yours.

My phone runs at 600mhz but would probably get more things done than that useless burning brick of yours.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I also work in a software company and know what's involved.
Every software released is buggy. Official PR 1.2 will be buggy.

So far, I've tried every major stuff that I do with my N900 and found no problems yet.
I can confidently say that PR 1.1.1 was buggier than this leaked firmware so far.
If I do find something which makes my N900 useless (which there isn't), I'll post it at TMO and warn others.

Re: Is the leaked PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

The title of this thread is WRONG.

The recently leaked version is NOT an RC, as we concluded in this thread. It is more likely an alpha, or an early beta version.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Heh. Only 1 Person really understood my point.
Maybe the wording for the topic was wrong, my English level sometimes challenges me.

For those who wrote that I am wasting your time when you would have been able to be working on other projects for the community,
I am not asking anyone to sit at their computer for hours or even 10s of minutes and figure out why this and that is not working for me cause of PR1.2 (Leaked). I was again, talking about the reactions of people to other N900 users seeking for help, if you already know the solution, posting it take 2 minutes max.
Forgive me for wasting 2 minutes of your time.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

What the f#*! is going on here!

Where is all this anger coming from? Really what have we become?

First I want to say, I jailbroke my iPhone years ago and it broke. So I know how dangerous it is to install unapproved software on a phone.

Let's for a second or two forget the fact, that this came from an unknown and dodgy source. Let's assume we downloaded it straight from a Nokia server. How would we treat people with problems? Tell to go f#ck themselves because it is just a beta version? Probably not, or so I hope. So I say to PR1.2 installers: "You've been very naughty, but now let's see how I can help you."


Which brings me to another point. Why is there not an offical Nokia beta version fo 1.2?? Even Apple is making beta versions of the OS available to the developers. And yes they say if it breaks you are on your own. So if an extremly closes company like Apple can provide a beta for developers, why can't Nokia? I can't be trade secrets, it is mostly open source, and it is available in the SDK anyways... It can't be the users/developers, or does Nokia think we cannot handle a beta version but an Apple user can??? I said it before and I will say it again> Nokia needs to communicate better with us. Be more open! Tell us what is going on. Where is the roadmap/release plan? Put it in the developer section of this website, We know that this things a not set in stone. But we get nothing for all we know offical PR1.2 could be released tonight or in two months. Is it in testing? Maybe. We have hints but nothing offical.

On to the next thing. Why does it take so long between releases? What would be wrong with smaller releases that happen more often? (See WebOS with an release every 4 weeks) or at least a set schedule like Gnome or Ubuntu.

Right know I am unsure if my next phone will be a Nokia again. Not that I don't like the n900, I love it. But it is this false sense of community and openness that I find off puting.

Last thing.
I just read on Twitter, that 1.2 can cause damage on the device. I do not know if that is true, but this is then the chance for Nokia to shine and come to the rescue: Release a better beta version. Help the people how like there phone so much, the play with it all the time and even install untested software. Be the hero, not the do#che.

End of rant.

Andy

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

So, which is it. Are we stupid or not? I'd like to know.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

There is a brainstorm about it, vote for it!

Re: Is the leaked PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

Title changed to Beta


Edit: Looks like the Poll's title took over and can't be changed.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

- We = People who flashed, and got into trouble, then asked for help and got bashed.
- Choosing 1 of the reasons I mentioned in my OP, and using it as a soul point for arguing, is lame.
- I am not looking for someone to blame. I am pointing fingers at those bashing others who took a risk.

Is your phone OCed? would you want help with that if something went wrong?
What would you think if you had phonecalls hanging-up 2 minutes after they started just cause you are running @ 900 MHz, and going back to 600MHz didn't solve it? Wouldn't you appreciate any help someone could give you?

Take your pick :
- It's your problem you overclocked, you should take responsibily for your actions, it's well known and written the OCing may void warrenty and harm your phone.

or

- Try doing this and that inside a terminal, or follow this post it should solve your problem.

Which one is better?
If you CAN HELP, why not?

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

If you look at the sub-header of that paragraph, you will see I wrote the reason why I flashed.

But thanks, You are just stressing my point.
Rude, selfish & unkind.
Not what you would expect form a community is it?

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I know it's not been released. But you know that too. I don't know anymore than that. One could probably surmise it's been delayed by last minute bug fixes.

Err, I've never known its intended release date or the rollout plans, or anything like that; if that's what you mean.

Communicating "I don't know any more than you" could get pretty old pretty fast.

As has been pointed out, we're a facilitation conduit between the community and Nokia; and - increasingly - within the community itself. We don't need to know when PR1.2 is going to be released to do that, apart from, perhaps a half-day headsup of the release so that we can make sure we're online to help answer questions/get the moderators moderating threads.

But I don't know if Nokia will give us that heads' up: we've not signed NDAs and they'd do it on trust alone.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

This thread has nothing to do with the others.
I have not asked a single technical question in it, and more over, it's inside the General forum.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

@Jaffa

I dont mean the 1.2 leaked release i mean the whole Mameo 5 Development just a little more Backround information why the PR 1.2 takes so long i guess we all could calm down then more but to know nothing is always bad.

*edit* but i just see that you told us a little about in the last comment so lets all calm down now:D

btw i also wouldnt install a leaked Release i did with my winmo tcom sda handy but not with my n900 where i spend a lot money for..

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Oh, BTW, Nokia are starting to officially warn people off the firmware:

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

HAHAHHAHAHAHA oh my GOD! How long did it take you to write all that ! Looks like "memories of a loser" - you should send the script to someone. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Of course you're to blame, but I won't try to explain you why 'cause it's clear you have much more to be blamed for.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Software is hard.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Good to know. I would never have found that warning if it wasn't for you. Well, they did warn us about overclocking also so I guess this was expected also. :p

Leaked FW made me more hungry for the official PR 1.2 as it fixes some crucial bugs which affect me daily. Hope they release it soon. :)

Re: How old is the leaked PR1.2?
 

You sir... win. Hands down :eek:

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

yes and I am talking about the most stupid comparisions ever. why should the frigging "PR1.2" installers get same amount of support than people helping development of maemo.org dev apps?

e: and yet they demand to be helped with gazillion of "leaked PR1.2" -threads...

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I wouldn't be surprised if Nokia purposely leaked it to justify the delay to the community without saying "We can't release an update because we're trying to figure out how to make it stable". Nokia is most probably willing to take the risk with causing almost bricked phones because the ones who updated it would get the illusion that it's still buggy and they're still working on it so they would stop making bad press to the world that the N900 is a bad phone from its bad support.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

"Blame" is meaningless. If you are not comfortable with taking risks and/or don't really know what you're doing you should probably stick to official supported firmware, but at the end of the day it's your device and you can flash anything you want on it at your own risk. Please accept that you are very unlikely to find support for pirated firmware here, from Nokia or anywhere else though.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

You didn't get bashed. A question was asked... and yeah. You're to blame for putting yourself in that predicament. I personally can't blame you, the allure of "shiny shiny" is a killer force.

But nobody is "bashing" you. Just that... well. Like I said earlier... for some folks from this community to support you, they'd have to be in the same position.

Good question. But let me ask you this... have you cataloged your grievances, shown how it can be reproduced, and documented it all yet?

It helps when you help others help you by being precise (just as you would in Bugzilla) with your grievance.

That's the problem. You'd not have the grievances if you had delayed your decision. See above.

But as it stands, if you receive help - there are plenty of others working on trying to sidestep the pre-released (leaked) PR1.2 software just as you. And when the question of "are we to blame?" comes up, don't get too upset when the truth smacks you in the face. It was an avoidable decision that you didn't avoid; time to man up and own your decision.

Stop deflecting. That's not helping you at all. If all of the pre-release PR1.2 folks got together, sorted out what they were all seeing, tried to work it out all together, who knows. Both the community and Nokia might be able to help.

But as it stands, trying to decipher statements being stated towards you as snobbish, angry, or whatever is personalizing a situation where it just doesn't help you.

I'm trying to be honest here... all of you, get organized. Really document what you see, what's going on... in one thread... and perhaps something might come of it.

Good luck. I truly wish you all success.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Isn't. Neither the N900 nor the recently leaked build of Maemo 5 are the main focus of this site. The focus is the larger topic of Maemo and the community that has grown around it. Out of respect for those community members not using N900s or any version of Maemo 5, let's keep General free of N900/Maemo 5 specific threads.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I like a bit of conspiracy myself but I don't think Nokia did it for this one. If I was Nokia and wanted to do what you said, I would have still released the latest build. Then I would get some public feedback which is also useful. Releasing an old build is a bit too nasty. =P

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Let's try another "resemblance": It's a bit like invading someone else's house and decide to live there, without any right of sort. And then blaming the people criticing you for what you've done.
Rings a bell?

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I'm not sure whether this really needs to be said because it is self-evident what risks are involved if one installs software for consumer electronics outside of official distribution, but just to clear: The software referred here to is unofficial #N900 firmware causing damage to devices! Don't download! Follow conversations.nokia.com for official announcements.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

To blame for what exactly ??

From what i'm reading many appear to have flashed their 900's with what appears to be a questionable version of claimed PR1.2.

From this end i'm quite happy waiting for something more official and living with my device in it's legitimate form as it is is today.

As always, patience is a virtue ;)

Re: How old is the leaked PR1.2?
 

I'm not sure whether this really needs to be said because it is self-evident what risks are involved if one installs software for consumer electronics outside of official distribution, but just to clear: The software referred here to is unofficial #N900 firmware causing damage to devices! Don't download! Follow conversations.nokia.com for official announcements.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Thanks a lot for the comment, Peter. Could you be more specific with 'is damaging devices', though? We are techie enough to understand :)

Best regards,
Corwin