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This looks like two different devices??

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That makes sense actually, since most commonly used Ctrl-letter combinations are keys on the left side of the keyboard.

Making Sym a dedicated key (like Chr on the N810) is also a good move. Otherwise this thing may have 4 extra keys compared to the N900 but no real improvement. There are still no "<", ">", "|" etc symbols accessible at all on the keyboard, while for some reason they thought we needed a dedicated "@" key... It seems that asking us what symbols we use was a complete waste of time :-(

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This is because you think as a command line user where those symbols are much used, but the device is aimed first of all at a general audience, for which command line use shouldn't be required.
My brother would use the '@' symbol several times a day, while nearly never using those other keys.
But I still hope those other symbols aren't too far away to type for our geeky needs. ;)

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Is it really that hard to have an easy way to access all those extra symbols?

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That sounds good...Whats the difference between a Snapdragon and a Hummingbird for power consumption. Also when is someone gonna raise the bar to 1gb RAM? I think I'd perfer 1gb of RAM and 32gb hd than 521mb and 64gb hd anyone else agree?

EDIT: Best I found was the Galaxy S w/ 512mb RAM and 2gb ROM.
Xperia X10 has 384mb RAM maybe N9 could shoot for 768mb? lol

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I would love to see, 1GB RAM, 1GB ROM, 1GB SWAP, 32GB eMMC + MicroSD + USB OTG + HDMI + atleast 720p recording at 30fps + at least a 1Ghz Hummingbird (Snapdragon doesn't have DSP) + FM transmitter + FM reciever + Infrared + Bluetooth + Wireless N + front facing camera 2Mp + 1280x720p display + 30% thinner than N900 + 4" AMOLED multitouch screen + Atleast 5Mpx camera with Xeon and Dual LED for video. Battery last at least 400Hrs standBy, and 6hours 3G calling. Gyroscope + three points accelerometer + Compass + SWYPE..list goes on!

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Nokia does seem to like its currency characters.

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It looks more like Nokia Communicator of 2004 which more looks like a pencilbox

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Though not as much as they used to, the Yen symbol hasn't been seen since the N810 ;-)

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Yes, they are different.

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Mmmh, I woudn't say so. I move the coursor to the left or the right more often than selecting text or make a undo. I use this while writing sms, emails, writing at a web forum or the terminal. Its even faster and more accurate than simply pressing the coursor key and wait until the cursor is somewhere in the near you wanted to have it.

I often use [Ctrl] + [Enter], too. With fat fingers it's possible to press more than a single button at once. But it feels even at the N900 not natural.
You cold be right, the most buttons for Ctrl combinations are on the left. But they are not so often used than the combinations on the right. Don't count the number of combinations. Count the number of times used a combination.

And Nokia decided anyway to remove some Ctrl combinations at the left. At example [Ctrl] + [A] at the File Browser. (introduced with PR1.2)

Yes, thats true. But this is a key without used keycombinations. They were able to place it everywhere at the keyboard. It's only needed to press it with a single finger. :)

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I get why | is considered useless outside CLI/programming, but < & > are needed for html and just plain English (e.g. "Maemo > Android > WinMo"), to say nothing of <3...

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as if everybody's a html master; and personally i've never used the <3 smilie, i find it more for 14 yo girls (just a personal feeling, no offense)...
Ok, rarely, but I may use it to symbol an arrow ("-->") now and then... ;)
Of course everybody's needs are different, but I'm pretty sure they made their research. Anyway, that was my interpretation.

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N9.A9 none of this snappingbirdragon. Just get a omap4440, its gonna be a stretch, but is the best proc option. why would nokia abandon ti/arm arch for samsung/qualcomm? esp for ONE generation, at least with the A9 they could downscale it while maintaining performance, then predictably moving to an intel proc for later iterations. but if they mean high end, a 1ghz isnt going to cut it, esp since 10% of us are running close to that speed right now ... wheres the incentive to upgrade?

they know whats going on here, it would be ashame if it was anything less than an omap4440 esp if the N8 is "high-midend" as the head of marketing said. if its to be high end it needs to get on with the next gen chip (which has been avail since feb 2009, its time to get with the game)

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Please keep in mind that MeeGo is developed using the N900 as reference device.
So a hard coded resolution of 800x480 does tell very little about the resolution of the N9.

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Nokia's design cycle for the N9 or whatnot likely began long ago, before the OMAP4 series had even entered sampling phases. No A9 based chip has reached serious volume just yet, and nothing packing one is out.

Give it a year or so and dual-core A9 based devices will start appearing.

Also

Quoting for doublethink. DRM inherently makes things less open, that's its whole goal.

This is hilarious. DRM's presence is, in and of itself, damaging to an open ecosystem as they are mutually exclusive. DRM denies the ability for the other to exist, period.

Sorry, that post struck me as a complete failure to understand the problems with DRM.

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Qualcomm Snapdragon and Samsung Hummingbird are ARM.

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@wmarone ... yes i know, thats why i said its been avail in volume since february 2009. why do you think the tegra2 tablets (A9) are coming out in sept? so i wont give it a year ill give it 2 months, if that ... the production falls right in line with the dev cycle of the rx-57, which is why im saying i want an A9 chip. better battery life. which would go a long way to why the batt we see is only 20mAh+ over the n900.

yea most designes are ARM, but not the TI arch that they have been using. i hope we get a decent upsell on this one. i would like to watch the 720p videos i record on the device i record them with, at native resolution, with 100%ntsc color coverage. all possible, especially with the new SoC.

just saying, in order to differentiate it would be nice!

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that's a nokia c series phone i beleive look in upper corner

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Wait, what? :confused:

TI OMAP, which used in the N900, is ARM.

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Not to mention the fact that no programmer worth anything is going to hard code a variable like that in the final release.

One of two things will happen.

1) Some sort of constant in a config file.
2) More likely a query to the hardware itself to report the screen size and then that used.

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Tegra2 != OMAP4.

TI has only recently started shipping Blaze devkits in May and samples to high volume customers, as a result anything using those chips is probably 6+ months out with volume production only having begun to ramp up.

Nvidia is moving faster due to not having an A8 based chip, instead having a terrible ARM11 based one that no one wants anymore. But then you're subject to Nvidia's fabrication quality ;)

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tegra 2 == ARM Cortex-A9 MPCore.
tegra == ARM11

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Yes, but you're suggesting that Nokia would use an A9 chip in the N9 when they have never shown any signs of using an Nvidia chip in their devices, and their primary vendor has only just begun to ship devkits.

Please attempt to retain continuity between your statements.

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oh boy ... thank you for calling me out on my continuity, when i was merely providing YOU with relevant examples to contradict your statements about the shipping date, and vendors of OMAP4 via A9. which i have said all along has been available since early in 2009. whether the reference system was shipping or not, is not indicative of mass production of a chip introduced over a year earlier. all i want from nokia is a high end device whos performance is higher than what i have currently (clocking an A8 @ 1.15ghz) if *im(euphamistic)* who they are marketing to in the very niche high end segment, then *im* not buying another A8.

humsnapdragonbird is not up to par, without discrete co processors. so that leaves the current gen arm proc. its not like im asking for the ARM Eagle ... cmon, im just saying that IF tegra2 is ready for the big show (who knows with how the tegra launched) then omap4 cannot, by extension be that far off. if they merely market it as a 1gz A8 then what incentive do many on this board have to pay 500$ for something they can have already for a much lower price?

nokia is aware of the overclocking, and it being one of the largest threads on this site. it seems redundant to paint a new chasis and sell it to the same ppl ... thats whats what im trying to say. is that it needs to be a full quantified upgrade from the reference board up to the storage and OS.

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A Cortex A8 manufactured in 45nm, clocked at 1GHZ is far for efficient than a Cortex A8 manufactured in 65nm clocked at 1.15GHZ.

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Not to mention a cpu with a factory clock of 1 GHz will be more likely able to be overclocked to, say, 1.5 GHz or more.

If the fact that a cpu can be overclocked to be faster than a newer, maybe more expensive cpu at the factory clock speed is proof that the newer cpu is pointless, why aren't we all still using overclocked Intel 4004s?

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You reckon N900 was never advertised as such then take a look at these links,

http://technmarketing.com/cellphone/...iphone-is-not/

http://www.indigo102.com/archives/590

http://brandtao.wordpress.com/2009/0...re-brilliance/

http://www.knowyourmobile.com/nokia/...okia_n900.html

http://nokiamobileblog.com/nokia-n8-...into-oblivion/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...ping-N900.html

These are just a few of the many many that advertised the N900 as a flagship and all the people who thanked you seem to have very short memories ha.
People need to remember the hype that basically conned us.

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The above is what people have been basically saying since the start. It was the blogs and internet who hyped this as Nokia's all super phone to fight against Android, iphone.
Nokia said in the N900 announcement that it's 4th step in a 5 step plan and Harmattan was already announced in 2008. Plus we knew Symbian Foundation was going for Qt just like Harmattan was.
N900 was only manufactured in Korean factory(rather than the normal high end combo of Finland + China). The little N900 sold in 2 months compared to something like N97 they still couldn't manage to produce enough of them globally. That should tell something too.


All this doesn't mean N900 could not be called as flagship as flagships don't really even exist like they did before in the N95 time, but it was not meant to be mass production super phone like iphone or Galaxy S etc.

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Yes we in the know now know this but in the days of the hype it was all too easy for people to think wow this is is the new almighty from Nokia and precisely the reason why the hype on the N9 should be taken with a pinch of salt untill the proof is there ie 6 months after release.

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That i can get behind of.
Harmattan just seemed like the OS that would have finally gone full circle that was started by the Nokia's Trolltech buy in 2008(and probably before that) and the S^4 would be that from Symbian Foundations side.
Now i'm not 100% sure anymore.

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Tissot we think alike.

Just how many times do we have to be bit before we become shy ? makes you wonder aye.

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I meant marketed by Nokia as such.
The time I got my N900 back in November I was clearly concious that I'm not buying Nokias flagship phone, but another experiment.
This information was openly available for everyone.
If they didn't knew it, their research is to blame, not the hype made by community driven sites.

The N9 however WILL be Nokia's new flagship device (notice I'm NOT using the term "phone").

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It was NOKIA germany, too. (sometimes I guess this company is too big)

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found a link to this via NokNok, a game developer Fishlabs said "we are working on a AAA title closely together with Nokia featuring OpenGL ES 2.0 graphics for a large screen"
Is that Game for the N9 or the rumored Nokia Tablet, N9 as a 4 inch screen while it is a decent size its hardly big.
I think this sounds quite promising for a real tablet coming soon

http://blog.fishlabs.net/en/2010/04/...hones-in-2010/

there was no point me making new thread for more rumors so i just stuck it in here as it could be a launch game for N9 or a tablet

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if the n9 is announced in december, and ships in january, then there is a good chance of Omap4, anything less would be deeply disappointing.

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Where was the supposed rumours for the Nokia Tablet ?
Any links that I might have missed ?

I thought the Nokia sales VP or something said on Twitter that Nokia was not considering the Tablet at this point - maybe in the future.

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Well I suppose there's always rumours about everything.

But here's one rumour site.

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Like i said previously about that, Nokia exec also said 3 months before N900 announcement that they where not going for phones with the Maemo OS.
It was usually quoted here when the Fremantle/Maemo 5 phone believers thought to be found some weird way to show that Fremantle was indeed meant for phones. ;)
Plus Eldar was talking about Nokia Z500 tablet ~3 months ago that would be using MeeGo tablet UX with added Nokia OVI services.


All that said i'm not sure at all we will be seeing Nokia tablet anytime soon. I sure hope the above is true because IMO it would be stupid from Nokia not to cash in with something as functional and great looking as the MeeGo tablet UX looks like.

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yes and that comment he made was quickly deleted which makes me think he mixed his words a little, I will gamble that a tablet will be announced by or at MWC 2011