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Mentalist Traceur 2011-05-05 03:37

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jprobichaud (Post 1000361)
ok, ok, suggesting a command that kills a device isn't the nicest thing (although the original version actually doesn't work) but I can't be 100% with you on that one. If someone can't read one post above, then that's more than sad. The same question was answered mutiple times in a single page, how much more delicate attention do you want?

Well, I've stated how I feel the ideal solution works before - you don't sugar-coat the fact that you think a normally intelligent human should be able to read/search for the relevant info, then help.

That said, I didn't say it's okay in my eyes to be so intentionally ignorant/inattentive as to not read a thread, or at least try to skim for relevant info (sometimes threads are massive). But if the demographic you're trying to change is defined by the fact that collectively they ask the same question repeatedly in the same thread, then that demographic isn't exactly likely to learn from an incident obscurely tucked away in the middle of one thread.

I'm not supporting the behavior of those who don't bother to at least read a couple of pages of the thread; I am just pointing out that the flaws in the way it was dealt with in this case.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jprobichaud
Maybe we all should rant on this is a separate thread?

Prob'ly. I've been thinking of making a thread about this event, actually, quoting the vi_ posts and then the guy saying "it hanged" (or whatever it was exactly), explaining what happened, and calling the entire thing "Moral for Newbs". Maybe it'd become a thing to link people who ask the same question that's already been answered to it sometime down the line.

- Edit -
You can get Google search of this site through this forum btw: Just use Power Search. It's in the top of the menu on the right above the recent posts list.

Mentalist Traceur 2011-05-05 05:04

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Angel85 (Post 1000337)
just asking,

does this have any effect on the IM accounts cause recently after the update, the IM accounts just doesn't seem to connect properly... or this has nothing to do with it?

thanks

Can you describe in depth how the accounts are connecting 'improperly'? Meaning, did they connect but you're not seeing people online who you know are, you aren't visible to others online, you can't send and/or receive messages, etc?

Dark_Angel85 2011-05-05 08:25

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It's not reproduced all the time but it keeps saying Network error or account in use even when I've not logged in anywhere else... and it just keeps trying to reconnect after dcing for the first time and never gets connected.

It manages to connect for about 5 mins but soon disconnected saying "unable to connect to one/more accounts" and then tries to reconnect but takes forever and never does

vi_ 2011-05-05 08:55

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 1000341)
And our winner of the "gratuitous use of cat*" award for today is...
*Also, echo. And output substitution.
Or was this meant as an entry to the obfuscated code competition? ;)

Anyway, congrats on the Russian roulette script, had me lmao for a good 5 minutes.

For the critics regarding "it's different people each time" -- no, it's a bunch of people all doing it this time, and you can bet they all did it last time they saw a long thread about non-production software, and chances are quite good they'll all do it next time.

Not that I really think getting them to wipe their filesystems will change that, though.

My crumby scripting skills aside, what is a better/safer way of retreiving the temperature value and formatting it for use in a script/DCEW?

TMavica 2011-05-05 09:13

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
I want ask the battery widget.so, i need download self and overwrite the original one after install power47??

retsaw 2011-05-05 09:21

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vi_ (Post 1000455)
My crumby scripting skills aside, what is a better/safer way of retreiving the temperature value and formatting it for use in a script/DCEW?

I don't know about better but the echo and command substitution are redundant (try removing them). To save on the cat you can use input redirection, try:
Code:

awk '{ print $1/10}' </sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp

vi_ 2011-05-05 09:37

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by retsaw (Post 1000471)
I don't know about better but the echo and command substitution are redundant (try removing them). To save on the cat you can use input redirection, try:
Code:

awk '{ print $1/10}' </sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp

That is so freakin' obvious I feel a deep sense of shame.

/me shuffles away to re-write his scripts.

niqbal 2011-05-05 11:30

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thx for temperature script

anapospastos 2011-05-05 11:37

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
What about usb host problem? I made a post yesterday but it has been lost because of your spats.

edit: My mistake with host mode, I finally solved it.

artron 2011-05-05 14:05

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
i was update kernel to 47, i have some problem if i boot to Nitdroid dan restart, kernel 47 and omap disappear, so i must flasing kernel again to omap dan reinstall kernel power47.

is that a bugs on power47?

NIN101 2011-05-05 15:06

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It would be awesome to have the actual sourcecode. I mean a directory full of diffs is a little bit difficult to handle. Or am I missing something here?

lieronet 2011-05-05 16:13

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anapospastos (Post 1000546)
What about usb host problem? I made a post yesterday but it has been lost because of your spats.

edit: My mistake with host mode, I finally solved it.

How did you solved it? I have the same issue, I mentioned it here yesterday, but still no reply.

Alfred 2011-05-05 16:52

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by artron (Post 1000631)
i was update kernel to 47, i have some problem if i boot to Nitdroid dan restart, kernel 47 and omap disappear, so i must flasing kernel again to omap dan reinstall kernel power47.

is that a bugs on power47?

Have you also installed kernel-bootimg?

misiak 2011-05-05 16:54

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
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Originally Posted by pali (Post 999651)
What about contact all developers which maintain applications which report battery temperature to update their applications?

Can somebody do it?

bq27x00_battery module (which report 300°C) is only in kernel-power, not in default stock kernel.

I've already written a short patch for QCPUFreq here, so I will just sent it to QCPUFreq dev ;) Just posted it in QCPUFreq announce thread ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56757 )

Edit: and I've sent PM to maintainer of that package. Could you tell me names of more apps reading temperature, anyone? I can contact devs and even support them in fixing this if they are too lazy :P

fw190 2011-05-05 18:44

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There is a nice app colled Advanced Power https://garage.maemo.org/projects/advanced-power/

elie-7 2011-05-05 18:46

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
hey guys i don't want to break the mood or anything, but i'm starting to have some problems with this kernel, i have it installed with kernel-power-settings running with lv @900mhz (min is 250), and in the past 2 days i have experienced 3 random reboots, problems with the app manager that keeps showing me no catalogues in use, and some battery issues (not big ones, but the battery isn't as goos as the power 42 ) .

@SR 2011-05-05 18:50

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Is it possible to enable eCryptfs filesystem in next build? It is a part of kernel since 2.6.18.
And it would be great if someone could backport file name encryption which was added in 2.6.29.

misiak 2011-05-05 19:27

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 1000769)
hey guys i don't want to break the mood or anything, but i'm starting to have some problems with this kernel, i have it installed with kernel-power-settings running with lv @900mhz (min is 250), and in the past 2 days i have experienced 3 random reboots, problems with the app manager that keeps showing me no catalogues in use, and some battery issues (not big ones, but the battery isn't as goos as the power 42 ) .

Do you use CSSU? It may be related to that.

Developer of QCPUFfreq answered me in that app's thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by direx (Post 1000762)
Thanks for pointing that out. However I do not find v47 in the official repos. One problem right now is that I don't want to have to distinguish between stock kernel, power kernel < 47 and power kernel >= 47, so I guess the best thing is to wait. I'll take a look at the temperature issue as soon as a new power kernel version becomes widely available.


- direx

So he is aware of the situation and will take action as soon as new power kernel gains more users, if I understood this correctly. Yay! :)


EDIT: There is patched version of QCPUFreq!!! you can download it from this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=125
It works for me :)

geneven 2011-05-05 19:41

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 1000769)
hey guys i don't want to break the mood or anything, but i'm starting to have some problems with this kernel, i have it installed with kernel-power-settings running with lv @900mhz (min is 250), and in the past 2 days i have experienced 3 random reboots, problems with the app manager that keeps showing me no catalogues in use, and some battery issues (not big ones, but the battery isn't as goos as the power 42 ) .

You know that there is no guarantee that lv works for you, right? I wouldn't mention it, but so many people don't seem to understand the theory of undervolting...

Sphinx780 2011-05-05 19:50

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 1000769)
hey guys i don't want to break the mood or anything, but i'm starting to have some problems with this kernel, i have it installed with kernel-power-settings running with lv @900mhz (min is 250), and in the past 2 days i have experienced 3 random reboots, problems with the app manager that keeps showing me no catalogues in use, and some battery issues (not big ones, but the battery isn't as goos as the power 42 ) .

I've been running lv 850/250 for 2 days on 47 (used 46 previously w/o any issues) with no issues yet.

I don't have CSSU installed.

elie-7 2011-05-05 20:47

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
yes i do have cssu installed, why ?? can this be causing problems in the new kernel ??
and i always have my device running with lv and clocked @900 mhz .
and btw the battery problems are getting worse, i just lost 65 mha in 5 minutes :( .

misiak 2011-05-05 20:54

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 1000859)
yes i do have cssu installed, why ?? can this be causing problems in the new kernel ??
and i always have my device running with lv and clocked @900 mhz .
and btw the battery problems are getting worse, i just lost 65 mha in 5 minutes :( .

Quote:

Originally Posted by elie-7
in the past 2 days i have experienced 3 random reboots, problems with the app manager that keeps showing me no catalogues in use, and some battery issues

From these 3, I would connect only the last one (infamous battery issues, which made this thread at least 10 pages longer :D) to kernel, other 2 may be related to CSSU (just my guess). As someone else suggested, try using different profile than lv (or ulv or xlv, just "ideal" maybe?) as base and check if it happens still. If not - well, maybe your device is not meant to run at low voltages. (They are not meant to work on all devices AFAIK, just like overclocking to 1Ghz)

cheve 2011-05-05 21:00

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I can report that v47 works(ideal profile, 500-850 only) for me so far. I care about h.e.n. and CSSU and they both works.

jormartr 2011-05-06 10:02

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by @SR (Post 1000772)
Is it possible to enable eCryptfs filesystem in next build? It is a part of kernel since 2.6.18.
And it would be great if someone could backport file name encryption which was added in 2.6.29.

Ecryptfs would be an incredible addon ! =D

It is a true file system, and a great value, as you don't need to preallocate any disk space to work with it.

It is also really easy to manage. Scripting a gui for it would be something not difficult.

geneven 2011-05-06 10:20

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cheve (Post 1000867)
I can report that v47 works(ideal profile, 500-850 only) for me so far. I care about h.e.n. and CSSU and they both works.

But what people don't understand is that you reporting that ideal profile works for you means NOTHING for anyone else, or almost nothing. And if you ask me, the FIRST suspect if you ever start getting random reboots EVER is that you are undervolting too much. This is not at all a criticism of undervolting, but the most common problem is undervolting too much.

Xagoln 2011-05-06 10:45

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
My battery life seems to have reduced quite substantially too.

I also installed MSCIM Google Pinyin, which is a known battery killer, but the problem started before that.

jhepburn 2011-05-06 10:51

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V47 has been faultless for me so far. I use everything from -devel, have CSSU installed and overclock to 950. I didn't use the last kernel-power because it increased battery drain, but v47 has fixed that.

Excellent.

kyllerbuzcut 2011-05-06 11:33

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
dont kbow if this is a definite problem yet BUT booted into omap1 'normal' mode last night and left it to charge overnight for work in the mornniing. Same as usual. This morning the battery widget, battery graph and battery icon all seemed to harmonise too. Connected to internet to play an internet radio station. Wouldn't play. This happend sometimes and is a bugger. Restart usually fixes. Upon restart into omap1 again things were really unresponsive. widgets weren't staying where they should be, Weird stuff going on. Still working but being funny with me.. So, another restart into omap1. left for a minute before turniing on again. Same thing. Beginning to get late for work I rebooted into v47 and everything works ok. Still at work at the moment and working fine. Don't want to test omap1 incase it's still funny and restarting can wipe 1/4 of your battery sometimes. Will test when I get home. Could have been a temporary fit.

Has anyone else had any similar experiences? Also battery widget is off again on v47 today. Real battery level seems about normal I would say. I have cssu.

elie-7 2011-05-06 12:29

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by misiak (Post 1000864)
From these 3, I would connect only the last one (infamous battery issues, which made this thread at least 10 pages longer :D) to kernel, other 2 may be related to CSSU (just my guess). As someone else suggested, try using different profile than lv (or ulv or xlv, just "ideal" maybe?) as base and check if it happens still. If not - well, maybe your device is not meant to run at low voltages. (They are not meant to work on all devices AFAIK, just like overclocking to 1Ghz)

my device was always with lv before power v47, never had a problem, at all, and sice my last post, my device is running awesomly, expet for the battery is dying too fast, i hope a new kernel v47 update is getting close to fix this issue, because otherwise i have to go back to power v42 :(

vi_ 2011-05-06 12:34

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 1001156)
my device was always with lv before power v47, never had a problem, at all, and sice my last post, my device is running awesomly, expet for the battery is dying too fast, i hope a new kernel v47 update is getting close to fix this issue, because otherwise i have to go back to power v42 :(

wah. wah. Development software is not stable enough for end users. :(

http://www.it.bton.ac.uk/staff/rng/t...lvMethods.html
http://www.linuxmanpages.com/
http://linux.die.net/man/1/powertop
http://linux.die.net/man/1/top
http://linux.die.net/man/1/lshal

Xagoln 2011-05-06 12:55

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vi_ (Post 1001160)
wah. wah. Development software is not stable enough for end users. :(

Is this not the right place to give feedback on the new kernel? It may be useful to people considering installing the new kernel.

elie-7 2011-05-06 13:01

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vi_ (Post 1001160)

i might be a noob compared to most of the guys here, but i ain't no muther****ing end user, u heard ????????? i got ****ing nitdroid installed, hacked my wifi way before the faircrack gui was out, and i was only giving bloody feedback, isn't that the point of this thread, **** !!

cheve 2011-05-06 13:09

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 1001094)
But what people don't understand is that you reporting that ideal profile works for you means NOTHING for anyone else, or almost nothing. And if you ask me, the FIRST suspect if you ever start getting random reboots EVER is that you are undervolting too much. This is not at all a criticism of undervolting, but the most common problem is undervolting too much.

My the post was intended as another data point for people to consider; nothing more. it is agreed that that being too aggressive in setting the voltage and/or frequency can lead to problem. If I recalled correctly, the ideal profile was deemed to be good(ie. not causing issue) for most(sorry, I don't remember which post it was mentioned, but the estimated figure was something like more than 80%) of the N900. As a result, if people wants to try thing out, why not using the ideal profile as the starting point to see whether your personal N900 can withstand that level of pushing first and then punching it up to the next level.

Cheers,

zdanee 2011-05-06 13:11

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vi_ (Post 1001160)

I start to find vi_ at least as disturbing as noobs. If you have nothing useful to say, please use /dev/null!

slender 2011-05-06 13:26

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@zdanee
Actually he gave appropriate links and pointed out that fellow testers messages information value is currently quite close to zero. This is not yelling contest.

kyllerbuzcut 2011-05-06 13:59

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
What else is this thread meant to be for except to report back and say what a great kernel this is. Then for future updates/refinement purposes we MUST report what we, as users of the kernel, are experiencing.This helps the developer know what to do next etc. Or to decide nothing needs done if that is the case.

cheve 2011-05-06 14:00

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 1001172)
i might be a noob compared to most of the guys here, but i ain't no muther****ing end user, u heard ????????? i got ****ing nitdroid installed, hacked my wifi way before the faircrack gui was out, and i was only giving bloody feedback, isn't that the point of this thread, **** !!

None of us is MASTER of everything or on every single subject. I think vi_ just wants to provide some pointers to troubleshoot the battery issue. It is possible that you have already looked at them before; nevertheless, for me personally, I found the provided links are interesting.

Cheers,

Reffyyyy 2011-05-06 14:06

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 1001172)
i might be a noob compared to most of the guys here, but i ain't no muther****ing end user, u heard ????????? i got ****ing nitdroid installed, hacked my wifi way before the faircrack gui was out, and i was only giving bloody feedback, isn't that the point of this thread, **** !!

Both of those are entirely simple with instructions. NitDroid even has a "one-click install" solution. Pseudo-guru. You didn't really 'hack' anything either. You only installed a new kernel and possibly used a pre-compiled tool to gain access to your router by following instructions. (The latter action, I am unsure of. Grammar barrier)

vi_ provided quite helpful links (in a condescending tone. He's sick of the same crap being posted.) and you reply inviting him to a pissing contest. Feedback is of little help without logs.

vi_ 2011-05-06 14:21

Re: [Announce] kernel-power v47
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 1001172)
i might be a noob compared to most of the guys here, but i ain't no muther****ing end user, u heard ????????? i got ****ing nitdroid installed, hacked my wifi way before the faircrack gui was out, and i was only giving bloody feedback, isn't that the point of this thread, **** !!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shakespeare
The fool doth think that he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.

This is feedback.

This is feedback.

This is feedback.

This is a$s.


The approximate value of the feedback could possibly be calculated as such:

Code:

feedback=((information*understanding)/grasp of english^-1)


Quote:

I start to find vi_ at least as disturbing as noobs. If you have nothing useful to say, please use /dev/null!
You are right zdanee, I have descended into bait-trolling, I think I shall just have to stop wasting time on this forum and go outside and ride my bike for a change. Hey there is sunny out here!... ... ...

Straycat 2011-05-06 14:30

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I just wanted to say I'm on kernelpower47 from 42 version without any problem, by now.

Many thanks to pali for his great job.


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