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MSameer 2013-11-28 17:52
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1390262)
You work for Jolla too?
Yes I do. I hope this is not something bad :)

ggabriel 2013-11-28 17:53
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MSameer (Post 1390265)
Yes I do. I hope this is not something bad :)
lol. You must be thinking "winter is coming..."

jalyst 2013-11-28 17:56
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Nooo it's good, very good, the more engagement at maemo.org, the better*!
We often severely lacked that back in the Nokia days, there's was often a "big" disconnect.

*at least until there's equivalent infra. finally in place that's more modern/slick

Dave999 2013-11-28 18:00
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
The screen is too small. We need an upgrade next year. Make a note and Run back to Jolla HQ and report.

MartinK 2013-11-28 18:00
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1390270)
*at least until there's equivalent infra. finally in place that's more modern/slick
Well for the record I wouldn't mind if TMO continues to be the hub for Jolla stuff. :) IMHO, the less fragmented the community is, the better. :)

patlak 2013-11-28 18:02
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1390271)
The screen is too small. We need an upgrade next year. Make a note and Run back to Jolla HQ and report.
Why should he make a note? You are AFAIK the only one to complain about screen size so far. Go get a Note 3 knockoff and get it over with.

Dave999 2013-11-28 18:07
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1390274)
Why should he make a note? You are AFAIK the only one to complain about screen size so far. Go get a Note 3 knockoff and get it over with.
Because I am a head of the time. Bought note 1 at release day and told you that n9 has to small screen. Evryboday: no I can't handle bigger with one hand. Bought note 3 at release date and told you that jPhone has too small screen. Everybody: no I can't handle bigger...

In one year you have all changed your minds again when jolla release their new epic device:D

Got ya ;)

att 2013-11-28 18:10
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxeri (Post 1390168)
Hi How you pulled this through?

Can't make it work. Sync tool gives no option to sync anything
First Bluetooth ON and visible on both devices. I paired N900 and Jolla, both trusting each other. Then selected Settings: Connectivity: Transfer & sync from N900. Then New, Next, Send data, Next, Select a device, waited Jolla to appear to list, selected Jolla, Next, Contacts, Next, Finish. Waiting until progress bar is 100%.

Silwer 2013-11-28 18:11
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Regarding the web app:
On Nokia N9 all favorites are saved to the home screen. And I can open like 10 web pages in separate windows. While the most are still loading I can read the others that are already downloaded. Is it the same on Jolla?

att 2013-11-28 18:22
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silwer (Post 1390280)
Regarding the web app:
On Nokia N9 all favorites are saved to the home screen. And I can open like 10 web pages in separate windows. While the most are still loading I can read the others that are already downloaded. Is it the same on Jolla?
Favorities are saved on second screen of the browser which can be accessed by selecting boxes (number of tabs open is shown inside of boxes) at the middle of bottom bar when it is shown. Not sure about reading others while loading, because it seems that when I change and select another tab it will reload the contents of that tab.

Ozymandias 2013-11-28 18:22
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Small question: Is Facebook IM integrated, and if so, does it automatically create contacts for ALL your FB friends (which I found annoying with the n900) - if so I can as well migrate all contacts but if it doesn't I'd actually transfer my contacts by hand so I can sort out all those FB friends I never have any contact with anyway.

jalyst 2013-11-28 18:27
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1390273)
Well for the record I wouldn't mind if TMO continues to be the hub for Jolla stuff. :) IMHO, the less fragmented the community is, the better. :)
Same, but I don't see any one (or more) entities supporting it anywhere near as strongly as they would their own "baby", we've already seen that so far, despite attempts to remedy it.
I favour something centred around merproject.org (or thereabouts), a domain that encompasses all the newest gen. stacks, & is something all the players are more likely to get on-board with.
They can of course continue to toss the occasional chip (like they have rarely done) to HFB/HFC/maemo.org...

mikecomputing 2013-11-28 18:32
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1390122)
Any other users confirm that only the left hand speaker works? Music app is good,
make a video please.

I hope its better than Harmattan one because that one is broken UI.

att 2013-11-28 18:36
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kollin (Post 1390208)
You need to install pciutils and modutils usbutils ! ;)

And then please run:

Code:
lspci -k
lsmod
lsub
Edit: Why those packages are not included by default in the "development mode", they are very basic diagnostic tools? :)
Edit2: usbutils
"pkcon search file lspci" doesn't return any package and "pkcon install pciutils" says that there isn't package like that.

lsmod:
Module Size Used by
mysatroker 57477 2
wlan 2592759 0
cfg80211 144263 1 wlan

lsusb:
unable to initialize libusb: -99

Lumiaman 2013-11-28 18:38
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
How does the screen look? Is it nice to look at, are colors natural or oversaturated? How come you can't change font size, that is a definite minus.

kollin 2013-11-28 18:47
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1390287)
"pkcon search file lspci" doesn't return any package and "pkcon install pciutils" says that there isn't package like that.

lsmod:
Module Size Used by
mysatroker 57477 2
wlan 2592759 0
cfg80211 144263 1 wlan

lsusb:
unable to initialize libusb: -99
So you have to use zipper, i think. ;)
I wander what is mysatroker? Google does not give anythig . 0o

patlak 2013-11-28 18:49
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1390276)
Because I am a head of the time. Bought note 1 at release day and told you that n9 has to small screen. Evryboday: no I can't handle bigger with one hand. Bought note 3 at release date and told you that jPhone has too small screen. Everybody: no I can't handle bigger...

In one year you have all changed your minds again when jolla release their new epic device:D

Got ya ;)
Well, if you are "a head of time," you'd know that big screened phones will hit the ceiling and start going back down in size. The old days will come back when companies start competing again on who makes a smaller phone. Think of the big screened phones as a helium filled balloon that has just been pumped up. It will hit the ceiling fast, but will drop exhausted back down on the ground.

Do you really expect people to carry phones the size of wall radiators on their backs in the near future?

att 2013-11-28 18:54
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1390288)
How does the screen look? Is it nice to look at, are colors natural or oversaturated? How come you can't change font size, that is a definite minus.
Colors and screen are very bright. Like watching it. Many pictures like Baby flower ambiance look gorgeous. In pictures I took inside with the camera app colors seem natural, at least for my eye.

Resolution works but I would have prefered little more PPIs. For example in some cases fonts seem little odd because font outlines don't seem stable (same pentip width for the whole glyph) but you will get used to it.

I miss the always displayed clock on N9 (lock screen).

Dave999 2013-11-28 18:56
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1390292)
Well, if you are "a head of time," you'd know that big screened phones will hit the ceiling and start going back down in size. The old days will come back when companies start competing again on who makes a smaller phone. Think of the big screened phones as a helium filled balloon that has just been pumped up. It will hit the ceiling fast, but will drop exhausted back down on the ground.

Do you really expect people to carry phones the size of wall radiators on their backs in the near future?
You are so wrong. The Old days wont come back! The screens will be even bigger...but the phone might not...But this is not the thread to talk about it. Jolla looking good so far.

w00t 2013-11-28 19:02
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias (Post 1390284)
Small question: Is Facebook IM integrated, and if so, does it automatically create contacts for ALL your FB friends (which I found annoying with the n900) - if so I can as well migrate all contacts but if it doesn't I'd actually transfer my contacts by hand so I can sort out all those FB friends I never have any contact with anyway.
Yes, and yes, it creates contacts for everyone.

Mikkosssss 2013-11-28 19:18
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1390288)
How come you can't change font size, that is a definite minus.
I dont have Jolla but you can probably change font size some parts from code like N9.

Dave999 2013-11-28 19:21
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Firefox with landscape mode. Faster than jolla browser? Flash plugin?

Lumiaman 2013-11-28 19:24
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Here is the million dollar question: would you buy this phone as a present for someone that just needs a good smartphone and will never get to use X terminal ?

patlak 2013-11-28 19:27
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1390295)
You are so wrong. The Old days wont come back! The screens will be even bigger...but the phone might not...But this is not the thread to talk about it. Jolla looking good so far.
Phones will be small enough to be put inside your tooth and replace a filling. Displays will go away and we will just wear glasses that display info from the phone. That's how the future will go ;)

sada11 2013-11-28 19:29
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1390307)
Here is the million dollar question: would you buy this phone as a present for someone that just needs a good smartphone and will never get to use X terminal ?
only that for million? I will buy it twice time, without x term ....

Dave999 2013-11-28 19:33
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1390308)
Phones will be small enough to be put inside your tooth and replace a filling. Displays will go away and we will just wear glasses that display info from the phone. That's how the future will go ;)
No, you will realize that the whole universe is a just part of a huge smartphone hold by gigantic creatures and since universe expanding. The phone and screen will increase forever.

szopin 2013-11-28 19:36
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1390307)
Here is the million dollar question: would you buy this phone as a present for someone that just needs a good smartphone and will never get to use X terminal ?
Sure, there is no X in Jolla, only Waylandterminal

JohnHughes 2013-11-28 19:39
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1389724)
I think it has to do something with EULA, it's said there you grant Jolla all the rights to use and/or redistribute all the changes you've made to the phone's open source components. Maybe the developer account stores the changes you've made? I don't know, just my guess.
Oi!

They can't add that condition to GPL code.

daperl 2013-11-28 19:39
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
And then Dave999 spontaneously combusted. The end.

^^^The not too distant future.

Lumiaman 2013-11-28 19:41
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1390313)
Sure, there is no X in Jolla, only Waylandterminal
Meant to hear from people who own it and have used it.

Leinad 2013-11-28 19:47
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1390312)
No, you will realize that the whole universe is a just part of a huge smartphone hold by gigantic creatures and since universe expanding. The phone and screen will increase forever.
you are reading way too much Terry Pratchett ;)

maluka 2013-11-28 19:48
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1390307)
Here is the million dollar question: would you buy this phone as a present for someone that just needs a good smartphone and will never get to use X terminal ?
Yes. You will be happy with the phone, especially the Jolla People app. It moves constantly like Windows live tiles when in multitasking mode. The browser also displays tabs in a similar way to IE on Windows phone though the Jolla browser has a much better UI

Dave999 2013-11-28 19:53
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
I don't like the user experience so far! I think it will be better when I get my jPhone.

Why no support from big blogs like end gadget?

shmerl 2013-11-28 20:05
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1390093)
At the moment, I think contacting care is probably the best idea: http://jolla.com/care
There definitely needs to be a Saiflish bugtracker if you want this to work efficiently.

olympus 2013-11-28 20:16
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1390283)
Favorities are saved on second screen of the browser which can be accessed by selecting boxes (number of tabs open is shown inside of boxes) at the middle of bottom bar when it is shown. Not sure about reading others while loading, because it seems that when I change and select another tab it will reload the contents of that tab.
Tabs reloading? That's the most annoying thing I have ever experienced on a gadget.

shmerl 2013-11-28 20:17
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kollin (Post 1390131)
Why bash is 3.2, isn't it too old?
I have 4.2 ony pc.
:)
Not sure if this was answered above, but it must be because of Mer's policy of avoiding GPLv3 packages for some core components. Bash 3.2 must be GPLv2, while he newest Bash is GPLv3. This policy is used to make it attractive for the vendors who are scared of GPLv3 anti Tivoisation clauses. However the assumption that all vendors are scared isn't correct, so Jolla for example shouldn't be scared in their own release of Sailfish, PlasmaActive isn't scared either, and so on.

This should be a feature in Mer, to allow using GPLv3 set of newer packages. Feel free to file a feature request to Mer.

Lumiaman 2013-11-28 20:32
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
This seems to be a big time beta device not ready for prime time.

inffy 2013-11-28 20:40
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1390335)
This seems to be a big time beta device not ready for prime time.
Yes the OS is at beta stage as said by Jolla themselves. Doesn't mean IT isn't ready to prime time.

If Jolla can accomplish the one update every month, IT will be the fastest In terms of updates.

Leinad 2013-11-28 20:41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1390335)
This seems to be a big time beta device not ready for prime time.
that's exactly, why it's available as beta at the moment, only to passionate people who preordered before...

Dave999 2013-11-28 20:44
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Can anyone create a demo of android application. Maybe spotify?


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