Re: Jolla C
 

Shock! Most of the developers we have are free software developers, and they write apps that are useful for typical Linux users. I doubt many of them care about helping people airbrush their selfies taken in Starbucks before they upload them into the botnet.

IMO, that's a plus for Sailfish, although I can see that it's at odds with the commercial success of the platform.

If Jolla wants apps that are good for "normal users", they will have to make it easy for proprietary developers to make money writing apps that interface with all of the proprietary services "normal users" love so much.

Re: Jolla C
 

The way I interpret Gerbick is that this should not be enough to claim being a developper to ask for a Jolla C because the definition of developer can be very large. The approach used for N950 was ok but had some flaws too.

And to @zogg and others, to give along merits is a nice idea. But in practice, this is a nightmare to manage. Really. And one should be prepared to spend a lot of times answering people why they did not receive their item while they are such a great person with some many great products/blogs/ or whatever. Because merits are difficult to scale from 0 to 10.
The way Jolla did it is just simple enough to let (mainly) one person manage the whole thing in a relative short period of time. The rules were pretty clear: you are on time or not.

Of course, this is not perfect. And there are complains about the fact that you should be connected, informed, and be quick. But there are no perfect systems and at least, we have a community program now :)

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I would feign shock; but when Sailfish goes the same way as MeeGo and Maemo; you just described why. Niche solutions for niche market on niche devices and folks complain when they receive no more support?

I'd suggest expanding that just a tad bit and enjoy a bit more success than what's existed in the past. That exclusive nature comes with a very deep handicap.

Where you see success; I see pending lack of support. Oh well, enjoy today, it might be all there will be.

I never stated directly "normal users" but I can see the direction you're going. I'd still say "expanded" users meaning outside of the stereotypical (and quite limited) use cases; but as far as it goes, my prior statement stands...

A lot of these devs do absolutely nothing with these devices. I'd say that has as negative of an impact than trying to incorporate the layman into your plans.

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This! Pretty much. Sailfish as a platform would be way more attractive (or accepted, or tolerated, or whatever) among those who don't actually care about OS (like my wifey and few billions of other dumb users with smart phone) if only there is 5 out of 10 most popular social (cr)apps on it.
And with that, a lot of other things would change.

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Agreed but with closed APIs and by banning users for using alternative apps you'll need the Zuckerbergs of this business to support Sailfish :rolleyes: - whatsapp is even pulling the support for BB10 - that's why Jolla implemented Android support - and it's working - and the users who don't care about the OS won't mind using android apps ;-)

If you want them you need a few carriers on board to promote de devices to the masses - I would still prefer the niche and a small community ;-)

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Gerbick, I wasn't arguing, just saying it shouldn't be a surprise to us or to Jolla that most native SFOS apps are by nerds, for nerds.

Actually, as things stand AD is quite a nice way to segregate the crap from the good stuff- don't install it, and there's minimal exposure to commercial privacy invading rubbish.

I'd much rather pay monthly for SFOS to be maintained than have an influx of crapware to pay the bills (unless Jolla wanted to separate apps into free and nonfree repos, in which case it wouldn't affect me much at all).

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Oh no, please do not think that I thought that for a second. I actually amended to what you were saying and did not think that you were arguing. If anything, we were discussing things. I perhaps went a bit further with my explanation of what was in my mind but I did not think we were arguing at all.

Please forgive my tone if that's how you took it. That was not my intent.

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Amen! Those words should be engraved in 10 inch high golden letters at the top of every TMO page.

You might do, but does Jolla? Can they survive selling to a niche of five die-hard fans? They sure behave like they want to but the events of last year speak otherwise.

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Nah don't worry, I didn't take it like that. I just mean you seemed to have read the part about success wrong - I said it was at odds with the commercial success of sailfish, even though it's something I like personally.

Re: Jolla C
 

I was involved in N950 community program and participating in blackberry10 developer program.
In both cases I created at least 1 app for platform in order to get the community device.
I do not see how hard is it to manage if you can get the poll for several contributors on TJC, after all it's community program and community can decide the people who should get it.
As for devs, you can always ask them to create apps for reward(place in order, not even free device). It can be done in multiple categories (newbiews, games and etc).
It was done by few people here on TMO btw, and as it's hard - if few community members and council can do it - I do not see any reason the company that has more resources than few members with their only free time.

I think JHolla decided just to sell that way, as they do not want to take too much responsibility on that one and they used "elitism" hype of "I was one of the limited to get my hands to device". Same as OnePlus One used invites. Good marketing strategy.

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The community should decide who gets 2000 devices? I would love to see that working.

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Hey, how about Maemo Council decides that! :D

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It's not the application creation, that's the easy part.
The hard part is to decide on something worthwhile to write.

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even one page web based app is better than nothing

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First of all first batch was 1000 and at least it can be done to this batch.
They could set 50 devices to community by vote
50-100 for app you need to submit
50 for porting teams
50 based on apps in habor/openrepos
Wait for those to get in queue and rest to sell after that.
I do not see the problem in at least giving to devs and contributors first and after that sell the rest as they did.
After all it's their interest to sell phone to someone who would give back to community/Jolla.

Re: Jolla C
 

I can give you that. They fail to do so many things that would be in their interest that it is staggering. One wonders whether it is really just being incompetent or whether there is some hidden agenda behind it.

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That went so well the first time...

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Yup, I remember that I fought that war too :)

But we should not judge by few. There were a lot of community programs on TMO by community/council that actually went well.

Re: Jolla C
 

For some maybe, for me its the opposite. I have way more ideas than time.

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Yet... folks are fighting against this one without even giving it a chance.

Re: Jolla C
 

Stop cry here is a phone for you guys:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/In-New-Condi...cAAOSwU9xUUNBU

Re: Jolla C
 

Nice relic for those stuck in the past.

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might we hope for a third batch?

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The Jolla C ? :p

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Either that or the Intex phone comes out (my bet) or the whole project is over after all

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The community launch event kicks off later today. Anyone here going?

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yeah 10chars

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So? Impressions?

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Size is a non issue, 1-2mm wider, quite a bit longer, swiping from left not a problem (closing requires a bit of practice/getting used to, then again I have rather big hands). Not much else to say at this point, will check the display if sun is still up outside during a break

Re: Jolla C
 

Keep those review comments coming :)

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Hey, could you cat /etc/hw-release, and either tree /sys or even better have a rummage for the file that controls the LED please? I'd like to add support for Jolla C in Hammerhead Torch, and I need to know where the LED "control file" is.

Here's the location on some other devices:

(from controlfile.conf)

Re: Jolla C
 

Hum, it should not change much for me either. I have small hands, and I can already comfortably swipe only from the left/bottom edge.

I am worried about fitting it in my jeans pocket though. The current Jolla is already uncomfortable. Those pointy corners may be fashionable, but not very practical.

Re: Jolla C
 

C jas actually more rounded edges, no problem with pockets, display bit better in terms of brightness, but not much, speaker also improved (volume can't compare quality atm), oh and turing devices do exist, just held one in my hands, neat, no pics allowed though, also seen another changing hands

Re: Jolla C
 

Thanks! And what about the event, any other interesting news you can share?

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Workshops and drinks at the moment, Stskeeps on hw adaptation, there is also on design and ui/silica, first webinar will be in august, also hinting of some news about africa 'soon'

Re: Jolla C
 

Anyone tried ssu re 2.0.2.43 in Jolla 1,and success update?

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no, but you will the first one :P

i can try today later, my phone is at home

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Wish I could be in those talks. Any slides or video feed, by any chance?

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there are these, not sure which is the correct one:

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They had cameras recording, so pretty sure both will be available (hopefully sound will be captured well enough, pretty noisy all around so was hard to hear everything on the two talks on the balcony)

edit: confirmed, all should be available