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finally one of my questions have been answered.

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I didn't understand why you were asking about the notification LED at the time.
I just made a search and discovered there were phone without it selling now... :eek:
It never crossed my mind you could make a phone without it ! I think all my phones since 15 years got one, even on the pre-smartphone era for SMS notification...

And as always, chen has our back, already trying to do it ;)

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You got my committed effort.

In my opinion, people forgot about LED simply because iphone doesn't have one.

Same logic to removable battery and pin to remove sim card.

It's a real shame, and I want to stir this **** pot back as much as I can.

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I wonder why nobody ever tries to use electroluminescent paint on keyboards like they use on watches to save battery drain.

Edit: I meant tritium radioluminescent

Or even glow in the dark paint with a keyboard light toggle switch.

Edit again: After looking it up on Wikipedia, it's too expensive and too much regulations. But the glow in the dark paint with keyboard toggle light switch?

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Qwerty layout is not obvious to me. Is it possible to switch between layouts?

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Hello chenliangchen. There are three things i would love to see on this phone. Led notification, double tap to wake and glance screen. Those are the most essential things to me

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I need to hire more engineers and increase the price to buy/steal AMOLED from Samsung ;)

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I believe if you make a wish list from everyone that the cost will be higher than the new Iphone (8?) :p

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I don't know, if *I* would even care if it had really good quality, good hardware, is as-open-as-possible and has SFOS on it ;)

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Absolutely and the device will also hit the market in 3-5 years.
I think it doesn't make sense, to consider every suggestion that is made. I think chen is quite aware, what is important for most of us and he will take in account everything which is reasonable, doable and affordable.

Anyway I think there will be a lot things which any of us would like to have in another way. There can't be a device which fits any needs!

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I think it Will take approx 3 years to get a working product ti consumer market even without any requests.

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Dave, shall we have a deal here:

If this product is released before next August (I'm aiming for end of year but just leave some rooms for series delays), which is 1 year from now. Can you promise stop bringing Jolla refund/tablet/scamfish topics (I know not in this thread but in general) forever?

If I fail doing so I will give you 3 free devices perhaps tablet, or this one if it comes out, or my other projects.

Any interests?

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I'm interested.

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It was long ago since I stopped bringing that up. Basically other people bringing it up and I play along. You just did but you cant blame me for that.

I dont want your devices for free, nor do I want a jolla tablet.

I don't want to make a deal with you becouse its basically to risky for you plus I dont know what type of stunts jolla is planning for the future.

In addition to my privious post its not only hardware but also sw that must be adjusted to handle slide/qwerty/layout/landscape issues.

So I hope manage to bring a consumer product within a year, but I doubt it. Happy to be wrong once in a while.

But if you want to ship the first one to me it's OK ;) maybe I can even fly in to HK for New year party to pick it up myself if it's ready by 31st dec.

Or do you deliver to London?

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Do you realize that this would be considered your greatest achievement, before the revolutionary phone? Do you want to be remembered through eons for that?

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"what you do in this thread, echoes in eternity"

Dave999

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I think people talking about Dave999 talking about Jollarefund$cam are actually flogging another dead horse right beside Dave's ;)

I think the horses were relatives...

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So,you're advocating to put a *radioactive* paint (hydrogene 3 isotope), right next to a *high capacity lithium battery* (basically made of elemental explosivium :-D), and near a ton of non-space grade/non-military/non Rad-hardened modern extremely dense circuitry (you know the kind that is the reason why airports use a different X-Ray machine for hand luggage, just so it doesn't fry yoir electronics or photofilm) ?
on a much larger surface (thus quantity) than the typically mecanical thick whatches that use it ?

don't know if you aim to have crashiest phone ever that constantly has bad blocks on its flahs,
or if you are jalouse of Samsung owner and want to be thrown out of planes,
or simply trolling ?

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Remove me, and my horse from this equation and you are right. My horse is currently alive and Refund 100 people per month. With that speed everyone will be refunded approximately 2025 :D

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I didn't know you were a necromancer as well :eek:

Stop beating your undead horse! ;)

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https://youtu.be/O3rpmctmC_M

Time to move on?

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It's not quite as ridiculous as you make it sound - tritium does decay via beta radiation, but the beta particles are unusually low energy (compared to other alpha emitters) and can't penetrate things like plastic keys, circuit boards or lithium batteries. As such, it is safe for use around electronics, which is the reason that it's often used for self-powered lighting (in place of other radioactive elements used previously, such as radium).

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Agreed. let's just stop here before this goes even further off-topic...

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so, to get back on topic:

What about physical camera shutter button ?
And shoulder buttons (like on game controllers, but user-mappable to ALT, CTRL, smiley keyboard popup, ...) ?

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Well then I guess you better go tell these guys how stupid they are
http://www.betavoltaic.co.uk
because they say it is easily shielded.

Or the guys that won a NASA award for making a glowing powder that you can add to any paint to make it a light source, the shielding, a micropolymer. Used to be glowpaint.com and then MPKco.com but it seems they went out of business but that doesn't mean the tech wasn't valid.
Now this from Cornell University is very interesting and open to licensing and was sponsored by DARPA. If this is true whoever runs with this could make the first betavoltaic cell inside of a tablet that trickle charges the battery.
http://www.betavoltaic.co.uk/cornell...taic-cell.html

And oh look...
http://www.citylabs.net
and they overcame the regulations.
http://www.betavoltaic.co.uk/citylab...umbattery.html

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Bunch of quite bizarre demands here........
Anyway, I have just one. Less glue and more screws.

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Indeed. People are indeed crazy ;)

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However easily shielded it can be, tritium is still banned in quite a few countries.
I doubt trying to circumvent those bans to save a bit of battery power is worth the legal hassle.

As long as the keyboard backlighting can be disabled (which should be trivial), I'm not bothered.

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Demands? ^ Curiosity and thinking outside the box gets instantly turned into demands?
You see? There is always that guy in the audience that wants to disguise his potshots as a valid argument.

Testing, testing:

Can we be curious, is that ok?

Can I bring up possible innovations in this category while I'm waiting for the the tablet I paid him for? Maybe it entertains him a little bit and gives him a break from the work he is doing to bring our devices to us, I don't know... but what's the harm?
I owned the N900. I wanted the N950. I'm curious about this device he is working on.

I wonder if you could use this stuff
https://www.lumilor.com
to make a more interesting notification light or possibly with filters and different back lights make a dual language keyboard so that depending what back light color you choose in settings it determines what characters show on the keyboard.

Before you comment it's a stupid idea or start throwing rotten tomatoes at me, check yourself. Did you have a good breakfast? Are you getting along with your spouse, your boss, your friends? I'm not your punching bag.

Don't ask me technical questions about how to do it, it's not my area of expertise. I'm just asking a question and being curious.

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Sure, they are requests not demands, but I think the point was that they are bizarre!

From where I'm sitting that's a reasonable comment, not meant personally, and you have overreacted at some perceived slight and got quite defensive...

Let's all just chill :)

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Indeed. Some are really bizarre :D

Let's eat some habanero pill and chill.

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I'm genuinely interested.

Of course :
- (Bones' voice) I'm a doctor, Jim ! Not an atomic physicist !
- I was over-exagerating it a bit for the sake of humour.

BUT !...


From what I've learned from radio-protection lessons is that beta radiation (basically: electrons) while being less energetic than alpha (basically: helium nucleus),
do still require a few milimeters of shielding.

(Hence my conception of lithium battery being exposed).

So the idea that you can shield it inside a powder is intriguing.

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And most beta radiation does. However, tritium is very low-energy beta radiation, and is blocked by almost everything: in fact, it can only penetrate about 6 mm of open air, and is blocked by the dead outermost layer of human skin as well. So yes, a powder would be quite effective shielding.

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@chenliangchen could you update the first post to show the current (full) provisional spec sheet, teaser pictures and targetted release/crowdfunding announcement.

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If your still beating a dead horse.......maybe it is time to dismount.

Chen I guess Dave is not a gambling man if he does not want to take you up on your offer.

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What a good idea, demolish my house to get a bigger TV. :)

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You're not dreaming big enough.

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It's a bad offer.

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You got Turing for that :D
But seriously, there's a bunch of OEMs out there with 5 new models with 6 variants every month and none of them doesn't even consider something with HWK. Then Chen steps in with something that we all want and something that sounds way better than Jolla or ony of their partners ever did (and I beleieve all of them have more resources and money) and now we are talking about radioactive backlight, 17 special HW buttons, 527 different keyboard layouts.......
This is not my dream phone either but it has a potential as is to be better than anything else on the market.

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I will do it later!