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daperl 2012-12-15 19:53

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Google drops a Gmail-shaped bomb on Windows*Phone

http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/12/1...-windows-phone

marxian 2012-12-15 20:20

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1304168)
Google has no plans to develop Windows 8 or WP apps, cites lack of users

http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/13/g...ws-phone-apps/

Not exactly surprising news. It's just another shot fired in the eco$y$tem wars.


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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1304873)
Google drops a Gmail-shaped bomb on Windows*Phone

http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/12/1...-windows-phone

And another.

Lumiaman 2012-12-15 20:43

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Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1304882)
Not exactly surprising news. It's just another shot fired in the eco$y$tem wars.




And another.

The Lumia 920 email is amazing and best by far for biz and pleasure. Google is feeling the heat and trying to retaliate. They are threatened by the MS-Nokia ecosystem.

specc 2012-12-15 23:02

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Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1304851)
@Specc

It may only be a bureaucratic exercise but the process is still more akin to patent protection than copyright protection.

I see you cite no examples to support your assertions which as usual are no more than baseless statements.

rgds

Then tell me; how can this process in any shape or form be more akin to patent than to copyright when there is no investigation for novelty ? when there is no requirement for originality?

The US design patent is much stricter in every single aspect. Where the US design patent tries to breach the gap between copyright and patents and restrain from reaching into both, the RCD includes everything you can think of that is not applicable for a patent. Hence, the RCD is simply a bureaucratic form of copyright, it's useless.

uTMY 2012-12-16 01:05

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Actually Specc I am not sure I have a requirement to think of everything that is not applicable. You appear to be perfectly capable of achieving that in this forum.

rgds

specc 2012-12-16 08:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1304873)
Google drops a Gmail-shaped bomb on Windows*Phone

http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/12/1...-windows-phone

That's not everything Google is doing. Smart TVs are hot, and Samsung is the leader. Of course there are "Google apps" there, but from early sometime next year Google shuts down map location services for smart TVs.

IMO what we are witnessing is not a war between Google and someone else. What we are witnessing is Google gradually building a closed ecosystem. Now when Android is widespread, they tighten the rope gradually. Soon you need to run Android to be able to run a single Google app.

The next step in the process is Motorola producing "Nexus devices". Then you also will need a "Nexus" to have the "full experience" of Android.

Lucky for us there exists an alternative :D And the funny part, the alternative is better :D And the best part, the alternative use the best HW :D (just ordered a Lumia 820 btw :cool: )

Anyway, believe it or not, I am also for open source. But not the "open source" version on the crippled N9 or what Jolla is going for. In the coming years the patents closing down baseband systems will be old, and then things will get really interesting. It will mean real open source phones is a reality, but it will also mean that a hurricane will travel through operator country and destroy every single bit of the old operator despotism. A down side is of course Apple/Google/MS will head into operator country and completely close down their ecosystems like we have never seen before.

specc 2012-12-16 08:47

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Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1304910)
Actually Specc I am not sure I have a requirement to think of everything that is not applicable. You appear to be perfectly capable of achieving that in this forum.

rgds

What do you expect? I am the King of TMO :D

LOL

The US Design Patent and RCD are very different. The similarities are only on the outside. The US design patent does indeed have strict requirements for originality and there is a lengthy process of investigating novelty. To get a US design patent typically takes two years, the RCD takes two weeks. Even so, the US design patent is not similar to a patent in anything but the process of obtaining it.

Dave999 2012-12-16 09:31

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So is this good or bad for nokia stock?

uTMY 2012-12-16 09:59

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@Specc

http://www.aipla.org/learningcenter/...nger-paper.pdf

It would appear that once again your assertion is baseless.

The RCD is far more similar to the USA Design Patent in terms of process and protection than it is to copyright, differing in only one major category and several smaller ones and whilst I agree it may overlap with the subject matter of copyright/trademarks the major difference to copyright is RCD MANDATES a registration in order to achieve a limited monopoly whereas copyright is IMPLICIT without registration.

rgds

uTMY 2012-12-16 10:00

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@Dave999

sorry, I too am keen to end this distraction and will not continue to pursue this diversion any longer.

rgds


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