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In interviews about two years ago Marc said that he would move on from Jolla when it is not anymore new. I understood he wants to create new things.

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Just sell themselves to Nokia for a cheap price. And I hope to see pureview on Sailfish

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Just great timing from him I guess :p

And jolla are still new, they are still a 'start up' .

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Not sure about the bankruptcy laws in Finland but in the US many companies declare bankruptcy and survive. They just reorganize, restructure debt, etc., and move on. Examples are some of Trump's Atlantic City casinos. Here are other examples

http://www.businessnewsdaily.com/824...ankruptcy.html

So, it is likely declaring bankruptcy is tantamount to eventually continuing as a software company. But without option 1,2 or 3. Although maybe a partial refund.
If this was truly a scam (I'm not saying it is...) then jail time could be considered acceptable by some....

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Bankruptcy in Finland means that the company ceases operations and administrator is appointed to take care of remaining assets, which then are usually sold to cover some of the remaining debts etc. Alternatively company can be sold in whole and new owner reimburses the company and debts stay as they were.

Debts can also be restructured, which is usually done before declaring bankruptcy. This is what Jolla did, but it doesn't let them away with the tabletgate.

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So what happened with a few tablets that Jolla was planning to ship in Jan? They are so strange...how can you trust em...

I wonder if they believe in what they are say and do.

If no progress is done before mwc I say we are better of without Jolla.

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Refunds.

https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-closure/

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Yes! And then MICROSOFT will release a Lulla-phone (You know, Lumia/Jolla) with keyboard AND they'll also make the whole source public. I think we are on to something here...

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Excellent news. The first step to build up some trust again :D

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Well, looks like no Tablet for me then. Hopefully I don't have to wait until the end of the year to get the refund.

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waited over a year for no tablet - and then the same again for potential refund?
inspires confidence!

-Coley.

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I have been silently following the discussion in this thread so before all the "Oh, finally!", "Some info at last!", "What took them so long?" etc. comments come, let me ask one question I have been meaning to ask over the last few weeks:

How is this information any different than what was said in the Blog from 18th of December and Blog from 31st of December and Antti Saarnio's comments in the community meeting in December?

Wasn't it very clear from those posts that if Jolla survives, then they will either ship or refund the tablets?


I never understood how after the New Years Eve blog post, people were reacting very negatively, shouting nonsense about a fraud (Hi, Dave), even if it only confirmed the positive news from Dec 18th. And how on earth was this pointless discussion (which I am now contributing to) still going on was way over my head :)


To be honest, I am glad that the tablet episode is over - not because of those few bucks, but because of how well it showed toxicity in the 'community'. Sometimes it is better not to see that.

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"Ship remaining Tablets to Indiegogo backers: we will ship 540 units as soon as we can starting from February."

Sadly, No tablet for me. I was about order 1022 I think - so refund some time.

Closure

Sad Day

Off to look for a new tablet.....

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Now we can countdown to shipment! Again ;)

I rather take refund though.

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Great! Brought back some of my trust for the company. But of course they are still not in the clear yet, like the blog post mentions.

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Nope, not clear. If they will not promise that clearly, written down in words, or said out loud, then it's not clear. It's just optimistic speculation.

And not to mention the fact that indie gogo funds were donations, so they legally could have said "No refunds, it was a donation". Well judging at least from what I understood from earlier posts.

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I would say that this time they at least did the effort and salute for that. (no sarcasm here)

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Hey Dave. Maybe the refund will arrive just in time for you to purchase your new tablet!

http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/27/a...nt-ipad-rumor/

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Clear information and confirmed end to this situation... I can live with that.

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For those of us who still want a tablet, should we organise a group buy of some intel tablet and port sailfish to it?

the Xiaomi Mi Pad 2 or another cheap Win10 Intel Tablet come to mind as a slightly more up to date but basically JTablike in spec.

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so assuming you are one of the lucky/unliky ones that receive one of the 540 tablets, does it also mean no support, sw updates?

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It all depends how the licensing goes. If Sailfish diversifies to many different devices, the tablet will get swept along. Otherwise, there won't be a Sailfish anymore so it won't matter.

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What a shame. Personally I find the design of Jolla tablet is sexy. Hope their hardware partner uses the same or improved design

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I would not describe the above as 'clear'.

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It's an ODM design, nothing really custom other than the screen and microUSB instead of miniUSB. Perhaps more on the internals but externally, the AIGO x86 tablet was identical all but in color.

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I don't think there's any need to try to mimic the Jolla Tablet; Jolla appeared to be aiming for showing off the beauty of Sailfish, and therefore went for a device with a maximized (retina) screen and minimal specs everywhere else. The Intel processor was probably chosen to get a subsidy from Intel itself.

I see no reason to avoid ARM processors, as the Hybris Adaptations list has plenty of those listed, including several tablets...

EDIT: ARM, not AMD :p

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So far, Jolla has been very good about maintaining Sailfish across all the devices running it (few as those may be). So software updates may continue (assuming Jolla itself remains standing). But yeah, I don't see how they could manage any decent hardware support for such a tiny user base...

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How do we know if we are getting the tablet or refund?

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I assume you mean ARM not AMD...

No there isn't, I just thought that since we had already put money down for a Retina 8" Intel x86 tablet, that we might be more likely to find something we can agree on following that basic recipe.

I kinda liked the idea of the tablet being x86 personally, as there is a potential to run the mainline linux kernel on the device along with the mesa graphics drivers.

Also, ARM processors being what they are, you still have to start from scratch when porting to a new device, even if it shares the same SOC as an already ported device.

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Huh? Jolla seems to keep an unofficial distance from the ports on https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris

Most of those are by third parties with unofficial input from some Jolla and ex-Jolla employees. Or is there some official supported device list I'm missing?

It'd be extremely nice to see more of those boxes in the table turn green with official support of common off-the-shelf hardware, otherwise the install base for Sailfish is a diminishing number of Jolla phone owners with 2+ year old hardware and 661 Jolla tablet owners.

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Gaah, gotta slow down and look at what I'm posting. :)

??? I'm kinda confused, I was pretty sure the mainline Linux kernel had at least some built-in support for ARM. (I'm trying to get up to speed with the details of porting Linux & Mer right now...)

But in any case, I'm just saying that there's no need to just give up on the whole ARM-based world right at the start. :)

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Could be But I think I pass. I have enough Apples as it is

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If you get an email soon(TM) you get your tablet soon(TM) unless it gets delayed. Otherwise, you'll get an email later-soon and get a refund by the end of the year, unless you don't get it or it gets delayed.

At any rate, we'll know soon(TM). Like I mean when I tell my wife I'll get her last year's anniversary present real soon now.

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Yup. Totally unofficial. A complete sandbox environment for setting up and maintaining your own port of Sailfish to your own device, a fairly massive guide taking you step-by-step through the process, space on their website to publicize these items, an irc chatroom set up just for porters, and a central hub set up to publish finished ports.

Nope, no official support at all here! This was obviously all done by employees in their free time. We at Jolla put absolutely no effort into this at all, and don't want to help people doing this in any way!

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There is ARM support in the mainline, however...

When it comes to driver support for particular bits and bobs you might find in any given SoC, these are often written and released essentially as a kernel fork, and *not* submitted into the mainline kernel. This means you need to rely on the hardware vendor to update the kernel to newer versions or to patch in the required drivers into kernel updates yourself. Not to mention their kernels tend to target Android rather than a GNU based Linux environment.

Intel is better at mainlining their drivers than QComm, and much better than mediatek or allwinner.

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They will have to, if they want to license it. Although they may leave hardware adaptation to the OEMs. The worse thing that could happen to the tablet users is continued Sailfish support but no more driver updates. I would not see that as a big problem.

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Well...
Balckberry priv.
Ok rubish OS, but nice hardware

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Not manufactured by Jolla though. I think that's the "not gonna happen" part that's left out.

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So 121 early tablets and another 540 means that perhaps the first 600 or so backers and other lucky ones may get a device? With lots of caveats, of course.

Now where's that spreadsheet where we were speculating on our order numbers . . . well, here's the list that was posted on dropbox. No tablet for me.

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Exactly. Support stops at 'Here's HADK, go check out IRC'.

That may as well be 'Here's the plans of an Airbus A380, the phone number for an engineer and a paper map' when all they want is a holiday in Benidorm.

A few fully supported devices beyond their own, with Android support, codecs etc would be useful for those that don't want to build planes. The closest is probably Fairphone but neither Jolla nor Fairphone are 100% on it being a *fully* supported port as that implies proper QA, support and warranty.