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rebhana 2010-04-21 20:35

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
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Originally Posted by mscion (Post 621244)
Assuming it has not already been done, would this be a good time to define a canonical set of key strokes for commonly used symbols that are currently missing from the N900 keyboard? For example, ~ is obtained by control +t, | is
obtained by, say, control p. There are about ten keys that should be defined. ({,},[,],|,^,~,`,<,>) As many of these additional symbols are often used in latex, perhaps rebhana has already thought this through.

I indeed have a rather elaborate scheme to fit my needs which include covering LATeX, but this is rather special to my German keyboard. I have in fact remapped the keyboard under Maemo, which carries over to debbie, while for LXDE I do it through xmodmap. Through xbindkeys I just get F1-F12, Escape, and Tab, and the full screen toggle.

A problem with Control+key is that many such shortcuts already exist in various apps running in Maemo. Control+t in particular is also used by firefox for browser tabs, and that shortcut would then be lost. I would instead argue for Shift+Fn+key, which we already have for F1-F12. Those are less likely to be used for other things and can rather easily be pressed simultaneously with one thumb once you get used to it. As an exception I would add Shift+Backspace for escape as advocated some time ago by debernadis. This is an important key in certain situations to get out of something. But with special symbols I think it's difficult to find a generally acceptable solution, because different national keyboards have different layouts as well as different selections of already included special characters. I would therefore only include keys that are missing for everybody. Tilde could be Shift+Fn+Space (in LATeX tilde gives space), Shift+Fn+t could be tab, Shift+Fn+p the pipe symbol, Shift+Fn+g the greater sign, Shift+Fn+l the less sign. Beyond those I would leave it to power users to set up their personal scheme.

mscion 2010-04-22 13:13

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
rebhana
I think what you suggest is reasonable although I would prefer to not press two keys at the same time (I already do that too
often by mistake!). As I am not a power user I may be asking a rather naive question but it seems as if some keys may be under utilized. Could the space bar and the arrow keys be given additional functionally? For example, as currently defined on the N900, blue arrow then space bar gives the @. Can we define
say, shift +space bar equal to ~
also as they possess some similar symmetry (I'm trying to appeal to your physicist side!) how about
shift + left arrow = <
shift + right arrow = >
blue arrow + left arrow = [
blue arrow + right arrow = ]
control + left arrow = {
control + right arrow = }
shift + up arrow = ^
blue arrow +up arrow = `
shift + down arrow = |

rebhana 2010-04-22 15:34

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Unfortunately only English keyboards have four arrow keys - the other have the four arrows crowding on two keys. Incidentally I use shift+space for tilde, but that sacrifices again a browser shortcut. Shift+arrow keys is also already used for selecting text...

mscion 2010-04-22 18:04

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 622743)
Unfortunately only English keyboards have four arrow keys - the other have the four arrows crowding on two keys. Incidentally I use shift+space for tilde, but that sacrifices again a browser shortcut. Shift+arrow keys is also already used for selecting text...

That's a shame. I didn't know the arrow keys are doubled up. I like the idea of the shift arrow for selecting text. I do not think I'm currently set to do that. Well, for english keyboard, if one used the function key or control key with the arrows you still have 8 possible definitions. The other characters can be defined using a control sequence you can live with. I guess it's comes down to the preference of the user

rebhana 2010-04-22 21:45

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
If you are interested in remapping the keyboard using in particular the arrow keys, there is a wiki page on how to do that in Maemo (without xbindkeys): http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard
Then you would have that equally in Maemo proper and in Easy Debian

Jayelzibub 2010-04-23 17:48

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Where can I find a list of applications that specifically work on this distro?

qole 2010-04-23 17:54

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Jayelzibub: it would be better to choose an application from Debian and then ask if anyone has tried it on your device.

There's also an older thread called Debian apps that run well on the tablets; it might be of some use to you.

stlpaul 2010-04-23 19:31

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hstende (Post 503576)
I installed qtnx inside, and it working well inside lxde.

Did you do anything special? Every time I try to connect, it just uses 100% CPU forever and never does anything... :confused:

rebhana 2010-04-23 19:47

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayelzibub (Post 624785)
Where can I find a list of applications that specifically work on this distro?

As a rule of thumb, everything in the Debian distribution works as all packages come precompiled for the armel architecture - I think in this long thread you'll find only one case where one particular application really refused to run, but then there are always alternative applications. You should rather find out which of the desktop/laptop applications you'd like to have also on this device given its limitations from keyboard and screen. So far everything I wanted I got to work.

For example I read on another thread that somebody asked whether it's possible to have zim, a desktop wiki, which he would have considered a killer app for the N900 that might convince him to buy a N900. I hadn't known zim yet, tried it out on my (Debian) laptop, found it extremely useful indeed, and without much difficulty I got it to run under Easy Debian. I now use it almost daily both at my desktop at work and when I'm on the road on the N900.

lq_sunshine 2010-04-23 20:06

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
thank you.
very helpfull for xmms but what is about audacity?

Lq


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