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Cool. Time to buy more

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Oh, I heard another funny thing while reading through Tomi's blog. Unfortunately, it can't be right.

One who was at the stakeholder's meeting, said Elop had said that the 8 mill N9's that were sold had... How did he phrase it...

Alas, it's not right. Nobody else who were there heard any such thing, but I do wish it'd be true :B

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It goes further than that... It's not the method that counts as much as the claims presented. You can fill a patent that would state in the Claims part something as vague as 'Cleans your butt with lateral hand movement' describing the method how you clean your butt with their toilet paper, and then you can get sued if you sell a bidet that utilizes the same 'technique' and get sued for infringing on their toilet paper patent. Of course, this is a bit pushing it, but that's how today's patent system works - if something you do appears in the claims of another patent, you can get sued easily, and even if you can prove that yours is a completely different method you would still need millions of dollars just to fight it at court which many small companies / individuals just cannot afford. It's legalized bullying!

Here is a nice testimonial from a guy that managed to fight them off: http://youtu.be/E_lb3D7Ay-M , sadly - on each such testimonial, there are 100s of testimonials of business collapsing due to inability to fight them. If you have the time, seek for the documentary 'Patent Absurdity', they show quite colorful ways on how patent trolls and troll-like companies operate. And why you have to become a patent troll yourself if you want to survive. Sad world...

Anyway, back to the topic, let's talk Nokia stock... Probably closing the week at a shy bit over $3 on NYSE, and 2.4€ dead on ETR... What stock?! They are now almost twice as much valuable sold in parts than their market value, a hostile takeover is quite possible, although I think the potential buyers will wait for Elop to sell out everything non IP related with his obvious gambling habits to fuel his delusion... The moment he lays his eyes on the IP and start selling it en masse somebody will take them over. Probably Microsoft, if they are willing to risk investigation that would surely ensue in that scenario.

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You're right, doesn't make any sense, could be false information. If 8 million N9s were sold, how did they make such a huge loss, and why didn't he release these figures. That news would have been welcomed by investors. Unless he prefers to please Microsoft instead helping the market share rise from the pits

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Seriously many people is pissed about Nokias strategy.

But right now I think this is REALLY bad.

Hell the stock dropping must stop now!

it has gone down 2/3 since February 2011.

Seriously how long will this mess continue!?

We already knows, Nokia will not change strategy in case of WP.

So if this mess continues. It will only hurt next billion and QT. And that is not good for us who prefer QT and still hopes on "meltemi" :(

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Learn Java, Dalvik and Android. Qt and Nokia do not have any future.

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Depending on HOW you intend to paint your car green, you already legally can't do so without paying a royalty. Just by example: if you negatively charge the body of the car while painting it with positively charged paint particles, you're already violating several patents.

I'm clearly unqualified to dispense investment advice the way you are but I get the impression that, at this rate, it's ALWAYS time to buy but never a good idea. heheh

Seriously. Even just improving customer service and putting kiosks in malls with people selling devices (they don't necessarily need a whole store!) would make a HUGE difference in how they're approaching customers and getting out there. In my opinion, Elop is either clinically stupid, a mole for Microsoft or both--and I think both are just as likely.

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Nokia - debatable. Qt - certainly has a bright future and not much Nokia even as owner of Trolltech can do about it. It doesn't have any future on mobile devices, tho... that prospect was taken behind the barn and shot in the head by yours truly Mr. Elop.

Granted, there are still hopes of its resurgence, but I wouldn't hold them high. Even if Nokia does another 180 turn, it will be hard to entice all the lost talent in the past year due to their fling with Microsoft... And Nokia hardly has some weight left after this intentional starvation to throw behind Qt on mobile and push it properly...

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That's a confusing sentence. Did YOU yourself kill it? (yours truly) Or, did Mr. Elop kill it?

"Yours truly" is usually used to refer to yourself as the speaker who's just said something.

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I'd like to point out that before Nokia had even sniffed at Qt/Trolltech, Qt were doing just fine. It was an active part of the Linux community, and I attended an development seminar where Trolltech demonstrated how amazingly easy it was to code Qt.

Qt should have the potential to do just fine without Nokia. The question is, however, if they get the chance to stand on their own feet again.