Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Better : "old member registered with 200 nicks say farewell but it's not true".

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

I soooo missed this statement. This... is... wow. If true, that's just as bad as Apple.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Well, sounds like a lot of elements to break down to follow what I was thinking versus what you're saying:

If the former, how will I point out what has been closed up if what actually exists and has been delivered isn't open (ala, the latter question)?

If the latter, what difference does it make which one I'm talking about if there isn't going to be a Harmattan? Isn't Maemo 5 the end of the road for the N900? Will Ofono appear in MeeGo as a fully opened stack?

I actually do remember them saying that, yep. Long ago.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

I believe that is actually the plan.

Remember, Nokia isn't the sole controlling force to MeeGo.. and MeeGo will not have closed pieces in the core part of the OS (IE: It won't come with things such as mp3 support, similar to Ubuntu and such) - so since Ofono is listed as part of it's default comms stack it would have to exist in a fully open implementation.. otherwise everyone who tries to use MeeGo would end up paying either Nokia, or Intel, for use of their closed ofono pieces.. Which is exactly the opposite of the reason the Linux Foundation is hosting it...

IF my understanding is correct.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

As far as I know, Ofono is open. Your post was vague, but it seemed possible you were implying this wasn't (completely) true. I was asking if that's what you were saying, and if so, what you'd read/seen/heard about closed parts.

Based upon your confused reply, I take it you know of no closed portions of Ofono.

There is. It will not be called Maemo 6 though. Nokia has not announced what they'll be calling it exactly, though for sure it will be tied to MeeGo, not Maemo.

In terms of officially supported firmware, yes.

So far as I know. We've looped back to the top of this post.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

I remain cynically optimistic, if that's at all a possible state of being. ;)

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

All signs point to yes. If you noticed Nitdroid news, there's been rumblings about GPRS support.

As part of MeeGo for N900 there has been work to further support N900 cellular modem in Ofono and yesterday a needed patch to power on the modem came in (hence people playing with GPRS now). It's seemingily open source enough for even the Nitdroid and Gentoo people to use it :)

Other (open!!) bits are cellular modem speech path, telepathy connection manager for ofono, pulseaudio modules for cellular modem and such

I personally look forward to when we can make a voice call with a fully open stack on N900 as all the pieces are making their way into the open*

(* on Linux side. The actual cellular modem software which doesn't run inside Linux, but on a separate processor, is probably not open nor will ever be for regulatory reasons. That we can control it's functions using a open stack is good though.)

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Many in that rant were blamed unfairly, wrongly.

But yes, collective defections (bloggers, developers, advocates, etc) is a sure sign of trouble for Nokia. Many of us predicted it when the MeeGo announcement was made. For one, I'm not happy at all to be right about that.

What I don't care for though are the childish slams against those of us trying to find some sort of silver lining. The attacks from the completely disenchanted are undeserved. Just as everyone is entitled to their unique opinion, so are we all entitled to find our own way forward.

My personal goal is to carry as much of Maemo into MeeGo as I can. Others have elected to fly as far from both as they can. C'est la vie, C'est la guerre. No reason to insult anyone over either choice.

Can we agree to disagree? if not, why not?

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Just like the rant a comment like that is highly subjective. Personally I thought he was spot on in most cases. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion and there really is no need bold that you happen to think it was wrong.

Since it wasn't.


And that's my subjective opinion.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Blame was absolutely misplaced. That's not subjective, it's black and white.

And if you read my post before replying you saw that I did acknowledge the whole point about opinions. I'll be the first to defend EVERYONE'S right to hold their personal opinions, regardless of popularity or political correctness. But we're not just talking about holding opinions, silvermountain, we're talking about things like libel and slander.