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Re: A significant day in community governance?

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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 1063725)

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Re: A significant day in community governance?

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1063737)

Maemo 2011... it's just like Maemo 2008, now! :p heh... welcome to the Maemo dead-end party, N900'ers! The rest of us have been waiting for you. :)

Well in any case it shall be fun party :) cake + drinks whats the worst that can happen... lol

Re: A significant day in community governance?

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Originally Posted by mohi2k7 (Post 1063799)

Well in any case it shall be fun party :) cake + drinks whats the worst that can happen... lol

That: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrNrLly1vvM :)

Re: A significant day in community governance?

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Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1063600)

Council is insignificant entity compared to the Linux Foundation

It's also completely irrelevant. The council's purpose is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information", none of which applies to this situation which is between the MeeGo community and the Linux Foundation.

Noting also that this thread was started by a current council member, anyone who complains about "the deafening silence of the Council" is obviously trolling and should be ignored if we want to have a constructive discussion.

Re: A significant day in community governance?

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Originally Posted by lma (Post 1063882)

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Noting also that this thread was started by a current council member, anyone who complains about "the deafening silence of the Council" is obviously trolling and should be ignored if we want to have a constructive discussion.

had forgotten that last time...
you just joined bbq, nooo, se, micpc and fahadj2k3 on my ignore list ¦-)

Re: A significant day in community governance?

SD69, as i said in my 1st post on this thread, i read the whole thread (7 pages when i started, 8 by the time i got to the end...) trying to get an overview of what had be said & asked. noticed you posted a couple answers to clarify things.
thank you for posting those informations in the 1st place, of course!

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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1062830)

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Most of council largely stayed out of the debate. But, in my opinion, the maemo p.o.v. and the worth of maemo and the need for uncompromising openness was rather ably argued by woody14619
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=104
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=148

i take it that you didn't start this thread on behalf of the council?
are you entitled to make any statement on behalf of the council?
if not, how does the council communicate with the community?

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[...] The proposed alternative site (apps.formeego.com) seems to be a corporate-sponsored site from our own long lost friend, Nokia.

if what a troll previously posted here is true ("the council is the voice of the community to NOKIA
" (my wording)) i'm literally flabbergasted :eek: :(
when was the last time the council had any contact with NOKIA?!?

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A maemo.org run by the community would never make such a decision. To maemo and other mobile linux developers, to those of you who support open source, those of you who have said maemo is dead, and those of you who have accepted "free" N950s - think carefully, think twice, and please continue to support maemo.org

again, is this the council's position or just your personal wish?

to also try to nail once & for all one of the reason ppl have been branded trolls over & over again, a final question...
did any member of the council ever ask NOKIA for the source code of closed components?

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information is a necessary though no sufficient condition to rationality...

sincerely,
mr.c.

Re: A significant day in community governance?

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Originally Posted by lma (Post 1063882)

The council's purpose is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information", none of which applies to this situation which is between the MeeGo community and the Linux Foundation.

Noting also that this thread was started by a current council member, anyone who complains about "the deafening silence of the Council" is obviously trolling and should be ignored if we want to have a constructive discussion.

Since Nokia has disengaged from Maemo, this purpose should be revisited. If maemo.org were to become a community governed non-profit "Maemo Foundation" type group, then I guess the next elected Council can take a role in making that change.

Re: A significant day in community governance?

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1063926)

i take it that you didn't start this thread on behalf of the council?

Correct

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1063926)

are you entitled to make any statement on behalf of the council?

Yes, the postings on the Council's official blog:
http://maemo.org/community/council/

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1063926)

if not, how does the council communicate with the community?

at least in part, through the Blog and the "ask the council" thread. Do not expect that Council reads each thread in the forum.

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1063926)

when was the last time the council had any contact with NOKIA?!?

Tuesday

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1063926)

again, is this the council's position or just your personal wish?

My personal wish

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1063926)

to also try to nail once & for all one of the reason ppl have been branded trolls over & over again, a final question...
did any member of the council ever ask NOKIA for the source code of closed components?

Yes, several times...

Re: A significant day in community governance?

thank you for your prompt answer(s) :)

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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1063938)

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at least in part, through the Blog and the "ask the council" thread. Do not expect that Council reads each thread in the forum.

i don't but i feel others like me at least wish there would be more involvement of the council in some discussion.
Council_Update-July_2011 was indeed the thread where i started to understand things better about the Maemo community.
mostly thanks to a fairly long discussion w/ Abill, Gerbick and Dan.
for once it was more like the dance around the monolith, rather then the one around the water (with the bones...)
are we on the moon yet?

where is this "ask council thread"?

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Tuesday

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Yes, several times...

and ? :eek:

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