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Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1265125)

long post

Well I haven't changed my position that much: for the NFP entity, I said any name goes as we are not trying to create a brand or anything. But reading from some contributions, I just realized that the enthusiasm (including mine) shown in this thread mostly comes from a misunderstanding: ie believing that this name will impact this site and the users, whereas in truth this name will appear around here pretty much as often as the name "nokia" does.

We are discussing the replacement of a "very specific name, closely tied to the community, but not entirely fit" for a "wildly used name, loosely tied, but certainly more inclusive" one, and my latest opinion (which is personal) on that is simply "probably not worth it". Not such a big deal.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!

First paragraph at this point is somewhat of a big assumption....
There's no reason why we can't ultimately tie in a site/domain associated with this entity name.
But yes, it's by no means a given at this point, nor is it even crucial, just an ideal...

Second paragraph, I have another idea which I'll elaborate on in more detail in a few days.
But some of the ideas already suggested tie-in just as effectively in a historical sense, whilst also being less specific/exclusive.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1265125)

Whether or not a foundation by that name exists, doesn't necessarily mean it can't be re-used in the US state in which it's being registered, ditto for the co. name.
They're generic Latin/Greek names* for which no one has exclusive naming rights. Even if both of those revelations do matter (which I doubt**) there's still Eolos.
Unless you meant Eolos (not Aeolos) is already used by a company, in which case refer to my prior points.

Hope that makes sense.

*Well Aeolos is a made-up name, devised from Eolos.
**Both the foundation & co. referenced aren't in a field even mildly related to this community.

So what if a foundation by that name already exists? Doesn't automatically mean another can't exist without issue.

It is not recommended to voluntarily take the name (or a similar name) of another Foundation that already exists. It just brings the unnecessary risk of trouble - plus it's not nice to coopt the name of another. (You can get exclusive rights over a mythological name (or a fruit l;ike an apple) if you use it and establish it as a trademark. This is as true for nonprofits as it is for companies

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1265125)

I PM'd one of the councillors 3-days ago to get clarification on whether it really is critical that a name be settled on ASAP.
(In one of his earlier posts, Woody seemed to suggest that it is...)
i.e. if time is of the essence, can you not just proceed with registering as Hildon & change it later once a majority consensus is reached?

The elections are indeed coming up - my opinion is it's about time we decide on a name.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!

Thanks for your thoughts, I'll just link to the post you're addressing so there's full context:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...25#post1265125

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!

may the council decide and agree . Otherwise there will be only suggestions ,left .Adios

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!

Well, does anyone care if I go ahead and structure the poll now???
It seems some of the council's resistant to the idea of changing to something more inclusive, so why bother.
Personally I couldn't care less any more, it doesn't seem to be worth the effort & angst it's apparently causing for some.
More important longer-term is a community site/domain*, which can be discussed after the transition.
But if some still want to proceed (& Councillors dont declare it's too late) I'll place a poll within 24hr that explains each submission.

*& that most definitely shouldn't be based on Hildon, if we stick to it for the foundation name.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!

just place a poll here jalyst... Since you have done a thread and got discussions going might as well just complete it and place a poll...

I don't know about others but I for sure will vote :D

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1267264)

It seems some of the council's resistant to the idea of changing to something more inclusive, so why bother.

This is incorrect. In this thread, we indicated in advance the criteria that the name not already be in use. My thanks again to Erendorn for pointing out that Aeolus fundation already exists and saving us possible trouble in the future.

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1267264)

it doesn't seem to be worth the effort & angst it's apparently causing for some.

But if some still want to proceed (& Councillors dont declare it's too late) I'll place a poll within 24hr that explains each submission.

It is just a name and not worth further effort. Yes, it is too late for a poll and I don't see any support for any name other than Aeolus anyway.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!

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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1267439)

And why do you continue to operate on the assumption that Aeolus is what most people would vote for?
Aside from that, I'm yet to see a compelling argument as-to-why using the same foundation name is truly an issue.
I'm sure there's countless foundations around the world that share the same name, it's not necessarily the issue you assume it is.
If it or Eolos were to be the most popular name, how hard would it be to check whether there's complications, not hard at all I imagine.
Besides, there were other variations suggested beyond Aeolus & Eolos: Aeolos, Aeris etc.

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It is just a name and not worth further effort. Yes, it is too late for a poll and I don't see any support for any name other than Aeolus anyway.

I see plenty of people thanking thedead's last post, are you saying you're closing the door on this one?
Was about to submit the summary, will save me a few minutes of my time, so couldn't care less either way.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1265128)

We're not discussing domain or community site names yet...
That will only be considered after the transition's completed, a discusion can probably begin before then though (separate thread).
This thread's about naming the NFP entity that's being formed.

I think the two should be discussed in tandem.