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I read somewhere that the headphone jack is on the side of the phone, not top or bottom. Can anyone confirm or deny?
A headphone jack on the side would suck. I probably wouldn't use it unless I have to

Regarding bottom bezel in the newsletter picture, it looks mighty thin. Hope it's like that in real life and compact as possible

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[citation needed], however 'the general public' usually cares for whatever marketeers want them to care. Not if but when Apple comes out with a QWERTY slider, you can be 100% sure the general public will desire a QWERTY slider more than anything else in the world and will claim that combining the smart elements of the smartphone with the physical elements of the regular phone is the greatest technological breakthrough since sliced bread. It's only a matter of time.

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I was thinking the same initially, but immediately changed my mind when I installed SFOS on my Xperia X Compact. Since I have a device lock code (my data still isn't encrypted, but the device lock is already a significant layer of security in case of theft/loss of the device), I realized that the unlock with fingerprint feature is extremely useful. It actually made it painless to change the delay before lock from 5 minutes to 0 minutes, because I was not bothered to type the code all the time anymore.

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This is very true. It is both appalling and encouraging.

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It's good to have a headphone jack, and it might indeed be interesting to know on which side it sits.
I'm not too fussed about its actual position, but before going crazy over it being "on the side instead of on the top/bottom", one has to first and foremost think deep and hard about which orientation it corresponds to.
Call me Captain Obvious, but having it on the "left side" while using the phone as landscape will have said jack be "on top" when the phone is used with a portrait orientation.
So, which one sucks more/less ?

Now, about the fingerprint reader and NFC, I hope it will be possible (maybe as a "factory" configuration) to have them physically disabled, if not removed.
If it's not possible, please make it so a way to disable them is provided on release.
My tinfoil hat would be thankful.

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From the picture in this very newsletter, the Jack port seems to be on the left of the phone when held in landscape mode (or am I seeing something else?). However, it seems to be very close to where the keyboard and the screen overlap, probably somewhere near the Esc key, or even higher. If confirmed, then it is not where the hands should be when holding the phone and typing; I don't think this would be inconvenient for typing.

[Edit] Or maybe this green PCB with what I think is the port beneath it actually goes on the very bottom of the keyboard case when held in landscape mode. If this is the case, then the jack would be on the bottom left corner. Perhaps a bit more in the way for a straight jack, but not too annoying for an angled one.

[Edit 2] Just trying to hold my phone in landscape mode as if I was typing on a keyboard (*sigh*, the last time I used my N900 or TOHKBD was long ago), the bottom left of the keyboard case would actually be much better than the top left.

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Well I forgot my tinfoil hat at home, but I admit that I do have some hope that SFOS does not transmit my data to Google. I wouldn't like it too much with Android, although I'm not so sure any smartphone fingerprint sensor actually scans a detailed fingerprint.

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I really hope someone will be able to develop Picture Password for whatever non-Android OS that will be ported on the Fx.
That's a feature I grew fond of on my BlackBerry: it's safer than regular passwords (numbers or shapes) when you are in a crowd, and it can be quite quick too (unless RNG hates you and your number is not around your spot... It happened to me a couple times :( ).

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What I love with the fingerprint sensor on the X Compact is it is on the power button. Since Sailfish X doesn't have double-tap-to-unlock, it means that I have to use the power button to unlock anyway. And when the sensor is on this button, I don't even have to move my finger to do both actions: waking the phone and actually unlocking it. The unlock is almost instantaneous.

It could be even faster if I didn't have to press the power button first. In combination with the Sneak peek feature, it already works without pressing the power button.

Also, Sailfish allows recording several fingerprints, this way I can use several fingers depending on the position of my hand.

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Exactly the same with me, I wasn't too excited by the idea until I actually tried it out and found out how convenient it could be.

Also, to prevent your younger family members and relatives from messing with your phone, a fingerprint unlock is the only way to do it. If you haven't experienced it yourself, you have no idea how devious they can be when it comes to covertly watching you when you enter your PIN. Even if you try to hide the screen from view, they will have narrowed down the PIN to a few possibilities after they have seen you enter it a dozen times or so, and then if you leave your phone unattended for a couple of minutes they're in! :eek:

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Or even if they are not spying to guess your code, it is actually hard not to tell the password to a relative if they need your phone. It may be a non-issue (for me it is not a problem: my device lock code is not used anywhere else and I trust those who would ask to look at my phone), but you might want to keep this code secret for other reasons, or you might not want to lend your phone at all. With a fingerprint lock, they won't try to argue and get the code, and they will only ask you to unlock it if they really have a good reason.

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I particularly love this bit from the link you posted:

:D

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I use double tap and then touching power button (not pressing) to open my Xperia X with fingerprint reader.

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Of course its up to you to use it, but I see many problems with this unlock method.

• Even here from a recording the password is guessed after about 10 attempts if users are not well educated about choosing a secure Password. Example here.
• Given time you can try reasonable combinations by hand
• Traces on screen give hints about the correct position.

It would be improved by a huge amount if you had to do 3 or 4 of such pictures.

Best would be if one could combine different unlock methods. E.g. do a picture-unlock and then (without feedback if you where correct) enter a Pin (number positions randomized).

This would combine the strengths of individual methods.

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Unfortunately it does appear to be on the front side on the keyboard, see

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtRMJjVXcAEP8lc.jpg

If true, will make it less useful as a music player in the pocket ... unless you use bluetooth. But these could still be early prototypes.

Still exciting that it getting closer to release or official announcement.

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That is an old picture.
I can assure you that the headphone jack is at the top of the phone ;)
Similar to the E7

Edit: How do I know this?
I've actually seen the real deal :D

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Yes, my message was incomplete. There is double tap on Sailfish X too, but it is disabled by default because it causes somme probable issues with sleep and therefore battery life (if I recall correctly). I'm actually fine with pressing/touching the same key without moving my finger to wake/unlock. The double tap to unlock was a nice feature that I miss sometimes, but in fact I liked it more when I didn't use a lock code, or when I forced myself into using one but had not tried the fingerprint scanner yet.

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Seeing pictures is exciting. Though I still lament the demise of vertical T9 sliders. And phones with all-metal structure - plastic is not that durable?

Thank you. Best wishes.
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Your information is dated. I have double-tap-to-wake enabled on my XperiaX and I have never had any sleep problems with it.

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When I said 'seen the real deal', I didn't meant pictures.....

Plastic? Seriously?
No company uses plastic anymore for their high end phones.
It has no premium feeling.

This phone is not made from metal. The case will be made from Magnesium alloy (!)
Now that's quality right over there.

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Magnesium alloys have a hexagonal lattice structure.
It’s very strong and very fast. Magnesium is approximately 75% lighterthan steel. Will we also see a heavy steel version later on? That would be one unique device :D

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Eh? Is it because I am a Bloody Foreigner™ or does anyone else also see the two sentences as mutually contradicting?

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That's the age-old conflict between convenience and security.
Leaving your house key under the plant pot next to the door is also convenient.

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theres a trick: https://www.noreplied.com/how-to-ins...alaxy-s7-edge/

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To be fair, when you leave your key near the lock and go away, it means you are not in control of the key anymore.
Don't tell me, you are putting your fingers away occasionally :D (well maybe out of control, but that's still different).

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People go around leaving fingerprints all over the place. Even on the phone itself; so when someone gets the phone they get your prints at the same time, uuups...

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Actually the BBOS10 Version worked very good. The numbers popped up in random places and you didn't need to touch the particular number to move. You simply moved the whole number layer so that one occurrence of the chosen number would be in the chosen place of the picture. This adds up to have smears from any starting point in any direction.

The picture just helps remember the right position for the number. I don't know, if also moving the picture around would increase security.

Well I have some issues, that screen is waking up but showing nothing. Workaround is, to let it sleep again, put finger on aproximation sensor to wake it up. That seems to trigger some reinit.

More often I find the screen waking up but not responding to my fingers. Only way is to press power button to turn it (the screen) off an on again.

That being said, I still use it.

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Not only that, as the numbers' matrix sometimes change the number of lines and columns.
One time they are tight (lots of lines and columns), and one time they are loose (less lines and columns with more space between them).

Of course it is still possible to do some social-engineering of sorts and guess the right number and position (for instance, you are more likely to unlock with the same hand, and thus you probably won't position your hand/thumb *above* the spot you're aiming at, which allows onlookers to remove an specific area for their analysis), but it will take quite a number of unlocks.
Now compare that with regular number- or shape-passwords: they only require one (1) good look to get compromised...

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Cool, so my future phone will be made of the same material that's keeping my ThinkPad and Toughbook together.

Magnesium is a metal, so yes, HtheB is contradicting himself.

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But I usually don't leave my finger with my phone if I forget it in a bar, or in case of theft.

The lock codes are far from secure when used in public, people can guess pretty fast what is your code by sneaking over your shoulder in the subway, by roughly seeing the moves of your fingers even in front of you, using the reflection of the windows in the bus, or just follow the smudge on your screen if you are using a geometric pattern. To be fair, they probably don't care at all about the code and the data anyway, they just want the phone to sell it, but I still feel better if I know access to my data is not particularly easy.

Now, if someone threatens me and kindly asks me to unlock the phone for him/her with a knife on my belly, I'll happily unlock it with my fingerprint and even give away the code to unlock without fingerprints. Hopefully he/she will leave me with all my fingers. But if I lose my phone or just find a pickpocket, I don't think they would come back and track me down to get my thumbs, and I'll be glad that there is no smudge to follow on the screen or any code to spy before stealing the phone.

Has any pickpocket ever tried to unlock a phone with a fuzzy fingerprint left on a doorknob or on the screen? The guy achieving that would definitely deserve full access to my phone. I would be more concerned about what else that guy would be able to do with my fingerprints if he managed to make copies good enough to unlock the phone.

By the way Juiceme, which procedure did you use to enable double-tap-to-unlock on Sailfish X? I haven't read the corresponding thread on TJC in a long time but I thought enabling it still had some downsides. I am using an Xperia X Compact, I think some sensors are not enabled, maybe that would be an extra issue.

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I think that robber will cut your finger also.

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Magnesium... hmmm...

https://www.yliopistonverkkoapteekki...apteekki_m.jpg


And what about security... I know some persons who can take Your fingers or eyes to get ones phone... So if You are worried about Your health... Just keep Your phone unlocked ;)


I'm very sorry about OT again...

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Usefulness of the trick depends how the phone manages the SIMs and SD card.

In Xperia X trick does not work.
https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?...postcount=1817
Would be nice if it worked in Fx.

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I did it like this (same instructions that I used for Jolla-1and Intex Aquafish):
https://reviewjolla.blogspot.com/201...-tools-by.html

And here is graph of battery consumption of Xperia X (looks very normal for me):

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Well again, in most cases robbers will run with the phone before trying to unlock it. Or they will just find it where the previous owner left it unattended. They won't look for fingers immediately, not would they care about the data in most cases anyway.

Now if this is a theft with agression and they do care about unlocking the phone and they do realize that there is a device lock, all they will see is a numeric pad on the lock screen (I'm talking about Sailfish since the beginning). If they are threatening the owner, I believe they would ask for the code before even knowing a fingerprint would work. And they would still prefer a code over a finger even if they knew. I'd just give them the frickin code.

I feel like we are drifting to very unrealistic situations just to make a point about fingerprint unlock being evil. I mean, those who think a smartphone's fingerprint sensor is high-resolution, scans a full fingerprint, and sends it to any secret services (even with Sailfish) are free not to use it. Again, I wouldn't be overconfident with Android/Google Services, and I have nothing to support that Sailifsh would be more trustworthy, but I do tend to trust them more on privacy. However, the device is still locked with a code, the sensor is just an alternative to unlock without typing the said code and risking having it compromised by sneakers. I didn't think finger-cutters would be seen as an obvious vulnerability in this case. It's also a get away excuse: "Nah, can't give you any code to play with my phone Kevin, you'd need to cut my finger and carry it with you. Play with your mother's phone."

[Edit] Thanks Heik, I'll look into that!

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Not only are there fingerprints left on the device, your fingerprints can also be constructed from a set of pictures.

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This is true, but are we talking about the same thing? My lock code is not an encryption key for the content of my phone, it is just a lock on the front door to prevent curious people and thieves from easily looking in my phone without my consent, and not typing any code reduces the risk that they will guess it from the smudge on the screen (< 10-year old children can do it, and they actually do it). For highly sensitive data, I wouldn't trust a simple front door that is convenient to open, I would go for fully encrypted data with a complex key that is a lot less convenient to use reapeatedly. Now do I want a 10-word pass phrase to unlock my phone tens of times a day?

I mean, the guy in the video below is literally crafting a fingerprint in his garage, but I doubt many pickpockets do that on their spare time. Sure they might, but I mitigate risks with a mechanism that I think has an adequate costs/benefits ratio making the task not too bothersome, while keeping most thieves out. The video is a firm demonstration that a fingerprint security can be worked around, but no one claimed the opposite, and a geometric pattern visible from the smudge on the screen is neither safer nor quicker to unlock.

https://vimeo.com/75324765

After a few messages, I understand now that the majority disagrees, but I'm happy that there will be a fingerprint sensor on the Livermorium and I still hope I'll be able to run Sailfish on it and unlock it that way. :<

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I am happy the sensor is there, because I know its a selling argument for the device. the Android crowd will love it, others like it too.

I just like to exercise my option to ignore it and use more secure locks.

On my N900 for example, which I use for adminstering company servers I haven't got the possibility. So I had to build an second security layer myself, in this case ssh key passwords. Having these and my contacts and images behind a single strong lock would be awesome.

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Yes, I got it. Don't know how, but you seen the devices in person - I did get that from your message.

Great to hear. From the picture, I found it difficult to discern which parts are made of black (paint?) metal and which parts, if any, are made of black plastic. And if you say that the keys on the keyboard are made of metal as well, I will find it difficult to believe.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtRMJjVXcAEP8lc.jpg
Sorry for sarcasm. I am not after premium feeling - I am after durability and ability to survive falls. But then, they may be two different terms for the same thing.

Thank you. Best wishes.
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Per aspera ad astra...

[EDIT] Seriously, I am glad to hear that N990 [made-up name for successor of N950] is going ahead. And that there are photographs of prototypes themselves, not only computer renderings. I am just an exhausted scatter brain who dreams of automagically synchronising MicroB bookmarks with Google Chrome bookmarks from laptop - even though dynamic IP and such make it nearly impossible.[/EDIT]

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TBH the last update didn't provide much detail that wasn't already disclosed. Chen said on Twitter that the phone would support most carriers in North America. The only "new" info is the camera button, quick charge, and stereo speakers. Even those bits are kinda expected... Waiting for the big reveal or something really surprising.