Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Nokia sells devices, that's where they get all the money from.

New OS means new device, N900 will never get a M6, that the only thing we can be sure, stop fooling yourself.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Check this out: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...t=turn-by-turn

It seems that turn-by-turn will be indeed implemented but with Maemo 6 as milestone... the problem is not JUST waiting for a year while Nokia customers with old models got it on Ovi Maps 3 for free now, is that they doesn't even seem to care about N900 early adopters being unsatisfied after just about a month its release!!

Maybe Nokia marketing team thinks that Sygic will cover this deficiency, since N900 was already pretty cheap... if we got it then we can buy GPS SW as well... Nevertheless, Symbian mobile owners now probably won't buy GPS SW anymore, just us who bought N900.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Told ya, everything points in that direction. M5 probably won't get any major application improvements at all.

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This is the last Nokia product I will ever buy. I'm not sure how long I will keep it, but i have never seen a product get virtually abandoned so fast after release.

And I don't buy the step 4 of 5 bullshait. No where on the n900's product page does it say anything like that. They are marketing the n900 as the new generation phone/internet tablet. I have no idea why people are protecting Nokia with that excuse.

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I have the same feeling... Had been a Nokia customer for years and now that I trusted them to be an early adopter on N900 (leaving from N95 BTW) I see all this news about improvement for Symbian and some mention to Maemo 6, but no compromise with the just released N900.

Usually a company focus all its marketing on newly released devices, not the case of Nokia... If I had my N95 yet would have navigation for free just anyone else, or if I knew in advance this lack of post-sales support could happen would rethink what device to buy.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

It's looking more and more that i'll be waiting for the maemo 6. Just hope I can get it unlocked with tmo3g

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yes... my feelings exactly... never expected this.. of course i did my research, of course i knew about step 4 of 5.. and I’m quite happy with the N900. Nevertheless i was expecting more support from Nokia also when i read it had GPS i assumed there would be some turn by turn navigation software. Also, when I read it had a front camera I assumed it had videoconference (it has now with gtalk)…
I think this device history is becoming weird…

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So sad. I think I'll just pick up a used 810 cause I want a KB. Lack of MaemoMapper is really a deal breaker for me and this OviMaps thing seems to be a joke. If someone has a video that I can look at that shows that OviMaps can do for me what MM does now I MAY reconsider a 900, but at this point I think I'll just use my 800 till it dies and maybe an 810.

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Noone is protecting Nokia, we're telling you what the reality is and how believing anything else is nothing but wishful thinking.

1) If Nokia ment for us to have Maps 3 now, they would not have worked hard to complete Maps 1 basically just weeks before.

2) People seems to think that giving Maps 3 to Symbian owners should mean that Maemo owners should get it too, or it's liek omg nott fair. Fact is, they ALREADY had Maps 3 for Symbian. They changed strategy on how to make money from it.
Maemo is a completely different OS. They can't give Maps 3 for Maemo away, because they don't HAVE Maps 3 for Maemo, and they would have to spend developing resources on it before they could give it away, and they would have to do a full development process on it before they could give it away. Why in Spagettimonster's name would you expect them to do something that expensive without even marketing it for increased sales?

No, I don't defend Nokia, I am telling you the difference between dreams and reality, and your expectations are unfounded.

That said, I think it's crap that they didn't make a better version of Maps to start with, but I assure you, they would not make any version of anything on a brand new platform, just to have it replaced after a few weeks.

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hi all, i'm new here but thought i would jump right in.

volt's post on ovimaps does make sense, as an admirer of the n900, only ovimaps is holding me back, or the lack of it.

since ovimaps 3.0 was never on the n900 to begin with, it doesn't look like a x3.0 will be developed. further, just because ovimaps 3.0 is free for other symbian nokia phones does not mean that buyers are getting this free upgrade. eldar from mobile-review did an extensive writeup on this, i believe the approach that nokia is taking now is to bundle in free navigation for the subsequent new phones that nokia sells.

this means that ovimaps cost will be a one time fee that nokia factors into cost of selling the phones. this could also mean that nokia can justify keeping prices somewhat higher over the lifespan of the device. this would make sense for lower cost devices (below n97 series) while also charging a small premium for their flagship devices. since the free ovimaps navigation applies to the symbian newer phones, it looks like nokia is banking largely still on this symbian os to push tha majority of smartphones. seeing as they have the lionshare of smartphones in the world, i sense that relying on a somewhat limited symbian os is the power of nokia's sales team doing their work to push volume of phones, rather than a r&d department pushing the limits of tech (maemo).

that being said, even without ovimaps navigation, the n900 is something i'm lusting over. i figure i can use google maps on the browser in a pinch. and yes, i still want VERY MUCH for ovimaps proper navigation, offline gps mind you, to appear for the n900. i'm going to wait as long as i can the next few weeks and hope and pray that nokia does not snub the buyers of it's most expensive, most advanced smartphone.

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@ Volt, you sure aren't getting the point here! Everywhere you read you see that almost all n900 users are fed up with nokia and their marketing plans. If they dont start listening to their customers and maybe spending some money on it, there wont be any Nokia anymore in a few years!

Here in the netherlands everyone is disapointed because there is so little support on the n900. people like me spend 600 euro's almost (700 dollars) for this device. And you say to me nokia doesn't have to fix the navigation... man what are you thinking? Every freaking phone that is released by nokia has a turn-by-turn navigation. why isn't there one on the n900.

90% of the people here are not buying the n900 because the lack of descent apps and no turn-by-turn navigation. (not talking about free).

Last few years nokia isn't listening to what the customers want. the result: they lost a very big amount of the market. to other smartphone makers who do care about their customers.

Dont go bul$hitting, Nokia needs to make turn-by-turn navigation or they will again lose allot of customers this year! And maybe they should go making rubber again becaus this is bull!

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@sygys, glad that you've wrote all this so I don't have to:)

February for me is a key month, If nothing happens than I'll simply sell it.

Bear in mind one thing, Nokia only cares about mass market customer, and mass targeted devices they produce. This is the area where all the support and money go.

If that's the politics than all wait for the mass market maemo_number_you_name_it next gen device, I need a phone that gets its support during at least one year after the lunch with all the hardware covered by the software, no leftovers.

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Apparently it was you who weren't getting the point. That is really far from what I said. I said Nokia will not fix navigation. That's life. Live with it.

As to there being no Nokia in the future, Nokia sell more cell phones than any other company. The N900 demand seems to be higher than the supply.

I don't think the N900 support is any much different from any other phone I have owned. Infact, not many cell phones I have owned had as many as two firmware upgrades. My last one had a fix that prevented it from bricking, and a fix to improve battery life. That's all. It wasn't a Nokia. The global trend is towards better support, which is made easier by several devices sharing the same OS. But what you expect is beyond what the average real world experience is.

Nokia recently announced a upgrade to offline navigation software on a handful devices, to already existing customers. Every phone blog in the world made that headline news. Why? Because it is unheard of. Because Nokia is the first company to do such a gesture.

And here people are enraged that this free gift wasn't given to their device.

Greed.

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I'm always amazed that the huge number of firsts and community oriented uniquenesses (is that a word?) of the Nokia/Maemo ecosystem are just taken completely for granted or ignored the moment something shiny is spotted.

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Well, the smartphone market is very fast moving. Consider what we had three years ago. No high resolution, no navigation, hardly any GPS, open phone OSes were a theory, WiFi was reserved for expensive models, A2DP wasn't working, only business models had document readers, hardly any touchscreens until the Iphone... I say we're getting a lot of progress in not so much time. Maybe that confuses some people whenever they see something being held back.

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That is why i say when iPhone 4 comes out...GOODBYE NOKIA!! It's not the phone i don't like..it's the support and Nokia management has BIG BIG problem. They don't know how to prepare things ahead of time. That is why you see the N900 being delayed...that is why you see Ovi store being delayed...and that is why Ovi Nav N900 is also delayed.

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don't know how reliable this one is but i read it few minutes ago:

short in english: it says that there are only ten nokia models which are able to use the free ovi maps offer at the moment but from march on ALL phones with gps will be delivered with pre-installed local maps.

source: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...en-921532.html

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

But it still does mean nothing at all, 'cause nokia will classify the N900 as a mobile computer and hence we're screwed.

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The latest post on blog.ovi.com (posted today, 3rd Feb) says
The word 'all' is in bold in the post, but I won't hold my breath :rolleyes:

New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

sorry if this has been posted already but on the Nokia Blog while the Ovi store was down, they posted this...

key word being all, and it is safe to say that the N900 is under that umbrella!

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

so. this means that n900 is included to that??

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

i would say so....hopefully we get a better idea once the ovi site is back online

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

Note, that in this phrasing it could mean all phones that come out in/after March 2010 would have them ... I'm hopeful, but not crossing my fingers.

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

and whats the point of making a statement in your header and then asking a question in the body ? How about having the header as a question ....

all phones might not include the N900 as its officially not classified by Nokia as a smartphone.

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

Indeed, Nokia still class the N900 as a tablet device:(

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

but it says ALL enabled-GPS phone.. so n900 might be included to that...

EDIT: can you post the link here.. pls.. thanks!

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

Not gonna happen.

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

aw dont get my hopes up

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

How I intrepret that statement is that they are going to preload the new maps with gps voice guided navi on all new nokia gps enabled phones, on all NEW phones so meaning phones that are not in stores yet.

I didn't take it as they are going to release ovi voice guided navi maps to maemo 5 devices. But I really don't see why we n900 owners would be discluded, I hope our version comes soon.

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

funny that when i walk to the Flagship store here in NYC its windows are plastered with N900 "always connected Smartphone" posters....

http://blog.ovi.com/

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

eh, I think you're all reading into this too much. N900 is always the exception to all the rules Nokia plays by. Its the only one not running Symbian. Anytime they say "all" phones I think they mean "all except the N900 because we'd have to completely write a whole separate version just for that one device."

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

N900 is advertised as a smartphone and my take on all NEW smartphones is, all NEW smartphones with GPS i.e. if your buying a new 5800 or a nokia 5230 or any other gps enabled.

So I hope N900 is included

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

So you've never met a marketing poster that showed understanding of the real world entirely?

Re: New Ovi Maps on N900!!!!!
 

nope, n900 is old, 5800 is a mummy. even x6 is old by now. any gps-enabled smartphone released after the announcement is new.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

The N900 won't be 'new' in a month, it'll be a 3 month old phone/computer/whatever :(

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

so you ignored the facts and had full faith to marketing claims? good for you.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

hmm, what's this?
http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemo-mapper/

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Hi Folks

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=39

Patience is in order......

Basically, looking good for the next FW release but if QA have found issues, I am sure you would rather Nokia fix those issues rather than rushing it out. People will only complain about how flaky it is on forums like this :D

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Hello,

Here is what I think about ovi maps "free" release on maemo.
On symbian, they annouced the availability of the application just after Qt 4.6 official release for symbian. As Qt 4.6 should be officially supported on maemo with PR1.2 release, I think the latest ovi service will be available for maemo just after that (or maybe at the same time...):rolleyes:

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Hello everyone! after the news about the support of Ovi maps for ours loved phone i've made this petition so please help me to gain what is ours of right! Ovi maps 3 for n900 thank you!

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/N900ovimaps3