Re: How old is the leaked PR1.2?
 

Causing WHAT damage? I'm very interested to see some hints...

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

That doesn't work for me. I own my N900 as I paid for it. So I believe I own the "land". House is built for free by Nokia. Like a package deal. They also provide free renovation of the house regularly. This leaked fw is like a early copy of the blueprint for the next renovation which somehow has gone public before they finalized it. Now some houses are renovated using that blueprint prior to their regular schedule.....

Analogy in general is never perfect. Mine isn't either. Let's just not do them. :p

Re: How old is the leaked PR1.2?
 

I'd say that with the modem firmware being updated in an odd way that disallows going back to PR1.1.1 and thus losing access to your SIM card, I'd call that a very bad thing.

In this case, the details will come out shortly more than likely. For now, I'd say trust him.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

the PR is technically stolen. so I can go and stole my neighbours furnitures. and sue him if I hit my knee to a kitchen table?

Re: How old is the leaked PR1.2?
 

Modem Firmware Downgrade Bug is NOT an issue of this leaked firmware! It was there before...
Again the question: WHAT damages are caused by the leaked FW?

Edit: At the moment i don't trust Nokia at all! Selling me this incomplete device and not releasing the fixes immediately or even telling when they will be released. NOT customer friendly at all!

Re: Is the leaked PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

another thing i really like about the leaked pr 1.2 beta is that on the swipe to unlock screen you now get missed call alerts and message alerts

ie an envelope with 3 next to it shows 3 unread sms

simple but effective

:-)

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

People like you posting this stupid non-sence should first of all be banned from here by making these ideas about bricking other peoples phones.

And second of all people who are not helping or saying its our fault are to lame and scared themselfs to try the firmware. i dont care . this 1.2 is the best firmware update ever made. If someone makes one that deletes my whole n900 then i reflash it again to a stable version.

I agree with the poster of this thread. Nokia had its time to finish this god forsaken 1.2 version but failed to release it. I hear people say, but they need to test it first so that it is stable when released.... Well i have never seen a rock solid firmware update comming out of nokia's hands. There is alwasy something wrong with it. If they want to make it perfect then they better stop releasing firmware updates... they will never manage that.

aside of that, testing a firmware updates can be done in 2 days. within 2 days i can tell exactly what is wrong with it. Give it 1 month to fix these problems... but how long are we waiting now?

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

That's a bad analogy and you know it.

1. Nobody sued Nokia I believe.
2. PR is technically free to consumers of N900. (Neighbours furniture isn't)

I know what you and others are trying to get at and I don't disagree 100%. But the way some of you behave is more annoying than the people on the other side of the fence. No need to treat people here like they are all 5 year olds and insult them and make fun of. (maybe not you, but some others do)

Re: Is the leaked PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

N900 + pr1.2 = best smartphone on the market!!!

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I dont think the updates are irriversible but you just have to know how you need to do it!

Re: Is the leaked PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

Disappointing?? No.

Except alarmed, ioquake3, tuxracer and gltron wont install for me.

Loving the new features/settings.. didnt know about notifications on lock screen, nice!

Re: How old is the leaked PR1.2?
 

eeeeeeeeeeeeeexactly.

I mean, its an awesome device. but c'mon for f**k sake nokia..

well, not that theyve done anything different in the past

Leaked PR 1.2 works on italian device! Screenshots 4 italian people
 

hi folks! it works on italian device!!!

Re: Is PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

uh, i think the point of the poll was to rate the unofficial 1.2...

Re: What works better in the leaked PR1.2?
 

The meeting request accepting / decline now works in the email application :)

Screenshot attached:

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Which is why discussion is important. And not just "you're stupid".

@ossipina once again you've become too emo. Go take a break "mameo greeter". or for gods sake take the sig off.

Re: Is PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

Ditto :) How can we judge an unreleased product, unless this IS the final product? Respectfully, anyone that complains about it after installing an unreleased version is a tad on the silly side.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Hasn't this happened .....read the link

http://www.wcpo.com/content/news/say...-PFsFCaMQ.cspx

Re: Is PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

The premise though is self-contradicting (since it is unreleased). If we are basing it on features, it would be fair, but if on what does not work, or what got broke, etc. That would kind of be inherent to an "unreleased" product. ;)

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Normally i agree with some of your comments on this forum but this one i dont because once again its all about self opinion and not about self choice, furthermore this community is very aware of the massive problems Nokia have created by releasing the N900 from the offset in a state that is substandard for todays technology.
Nokia is well aware of what standards a mobile should have from the offset and the N900 simply did not meet those standards, that with the added turmoil after spending a top dollar price for what was portrayed as a FLAGSHIP device that simply did not have the very basics that everyone needs (small example USSD among many many other bugs) and remember Nokia themselves set this standard from previous devices, plus the fact that no update came even as we speak to actually satisfy the usual Nokia standards that they set for people on previous devices , people after spending a top dollar price have more or less begged Nokia for an update on this very forum.
Then all of a sudden an update comes out of the blue that DOES give us all the features everyone is screaming for, just what do you expect from people here? are we robots? NO , we are human and we went for the update because of it's subsequent much needed fixes.
I suggest you allow people to make their own choices EVEN if it would not be your choice and understand we are in fact human and not robot.
What you are trying to do is push your personal opinion regarding this update and even said "community has enough work helping people out who face regular bugs etc". Is this community a robot? can its members not multitask and enjoy the adventures of trying something or are you (if you had the choice) going to arrest everyone and throw them into jail because they did not comply with your wishes!.
I only have one thing left to say to you and its live and let live.

This post is also directed at everybody that is trying to ram personal opinions to the rest of the community.

There is a sad lack of moderating on this forum as a whole and it is high time something was done about it. (it certainly looks like this is now happening).

Re: Leaked PR 1.2 works on italian device! Screenshots 4 italian people
 

I can confirm that it work. But is this new topic necessary?
The FW should work on ALL devices o.O

Re: Leaked PR 1.2 works on italian device! Screenshots 4 italian people
 

Funziona tutto bene ? anche la tastiera?

Re: Leaked PR 1.2 works on italian device! Screenshots 4 italian people
 

necessary for italian people that dont believe in it!!! funziona alla grande tastiera compresa!! flashare prima vanilla poi il pr 1.2 alla grande

Re: Is PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

"Look! It's moving. It's alive. It's alive... IT'S ALIVE!"

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I've never heard stuff like that on xda-developers where most of the roms
are pirated or contain some not distributable files or are downloaded from
megaupload.... and nonetheless they work and in fact they work better most
of the time and when they don't people are willing to help despite flaming
you for posting in devel section rather than in the questions section.
The only responsibile for this situation is Nokia as they have the possibility
to distribute bugfixes to people as their distro is deb based but choose not
to do so and drive users with not working phones to the insanity of flashing
dubious ROMs to get their expensive toys working as expected finally.

P.S.: all this resembles to what happened in the overclock thread where
maemo-nokia people were telling for months that it was impossible
to overclock the N900 and that all sorts of bad things would happen
until it was proved that it was possible with no nuclear fallout.

Re: Leaked PR 1.2 works on italian device! Screenshots 4 italian people
 

yes but some people say that it takes off the cellular hardwardare from the firmware gestures :) but not in the italian devices i'm just confirming it :) to keep calm the italian people and to say them FLASH AND DOWNLOAD IT NOW :D

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

You live in what dream land? 2 days to test any software is not enough. When it comes to the software that's actually running the device, months are needed if there are many updates.

You wanting to portrait yourself as a software Superman is perhaps more telling than Nokia doing the QA work for real...

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

This assumes, of course, that the cook actually responds when you ask him/her questions.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I agree. There is a huge difference between a small thing that should work on a *very* limited number of devices (whatever it is) in a limited number of circumstances and several hundred thousand or millions of devices. Under these circumstances failure rates need to be *really* small.

Best regards,
Corwin

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

There is a big difference between stealing someone else's yet to be released software and 'open source' as mentioned earlier.

I'm still not making sense of the post title. 'Are we really to blame'.

Any offers on what we're to blame for ??


Apols Jaki & post corrected above. Thought the post i read was from you and cant locate it now either grrrrr.

Re: Leaked PR 1.2 works on italian device! Screenshots 4 italian people
 

useless & stupid topic. oh btw i'm italian too

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

@abill_uk

Communities work as long as people are willing to put in their free time. If enough people join forces things get done and things get better with more knowledge collected in wikis and on forums like this one.

Now imagine that said forum is littered with thread after thread of people complaining about problems and wanting help with said problems after installing an unofficial firmware upgrade. This takes a certain toll on the others, who didn't go for the perceived gold at the end of the proverbial rainbow.

If you fsck up and brick your N900, times are hard and you want to get helped but you're still the one who did the flashing. If you then move into the forum and generate work for others that didn't make the same choice, you'll end up with reactions. If you, to make matters worse, think that you in some way deserve this help you're up for a rude awakening.

In this I can understand ossipena's objection to comparing this reflash to installing from Extras-devel/Extras-testing. The Extras repositories represent the joint effort by the community to make the device better and to compare that to using, potentially, stolen code is to make very little of that effort.

With that said, I can agree on the attraction in installing the firmware. As long as the ones making that decision are clear on what they're doing. To argue "But, I didn't know it could ruin my device!" is no argument at all.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

?? Are you sure you intended for me? I never said n900 was open source as you describe. Also, I didn't start this thread nor did I write that title.Wrong person. =P

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Ossipena it seems like you will never give up with this so i am going to tell you something else here.....
While everyone has been arguing over this update that was released from a China site i have been doing some research into what has been going on and although i am no where near complete i will tell you a few of my findings ok and you i suggest you need to at least read and try to understand what i am saying.
You have no choice but to agree that many people have started to develop software for use on the N900 and implementing them on this very community (i am on about the apps etc etc), ok look at this situation and i will try if you will allow it to actually sink in, explain something very important here, every developer who has written new software and set it up with the communities approval is in fact playing with fire because whilst implementing this software to the exsisting OS they are in fact re-writing some very important parts of the OS in particular the boot sector and THIS is why the N900 has many problems brought on by developers OTHER than Nokia developers because they are actually changing almost every sector and even drivers in the OS of the N900.
THIS is potentially very very dangerous and FAR FAR more dangerous than the update that came from within China.
Many many people are having weird and wonderful problems induced simply by software THEY have installed from the downloads from this community, some of these programmes can and are potentially wiping out the the original functions of the OS of the N900.
This is in fact far more dangerous to the OS than the update from China ever was or will be and the very reason the update has given even more problems after flashing is simply because the OS has been obliterated in some or many cases from previous installs from this very community.
I am in fact looking at the overall developments being implemented to the N900 because everyone has been given the open right to develop for Meamo and i am certain 100% this was and is a huge mistake by Nokia to allow such implementations to be induced onto the OS of the N900.
I really dont think you have enough expertise to understand everything i am saying but i am sure any engineer will so please i ask you to try and relax and allow people to be free in their own opinions and do what they want to do, after all it no way effects you directly in any way or form.

Re: Leaked PR 1.2 works on italian device! Screenshots 4 italian people
 

It's a global version (MR0) for most European and Asian variant.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Time will tell whether this helps things get better or not.
You can see it as wasting the communities time (though also flaming others is a waste of time). But you can also see it as an opportunuty for the community to practice their skills and be helpful when the real thing comes around.
We will have experienced people around who took the plunge for us - if you like it or not.

Look at the interest for example in the thread about "what works better now" - almost 35,000 views. All these viewers will be around to help when the real firmware gets released.
So OK maybe not every bug will still be around - but the accumalated experience will be helpful for the community.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Could you please read my post before yours and comment?

Re: Is PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

Quick... Kill it, Kill it, KILL:D

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I've seen the same forums littered after a official update so where is the difference?

I was forced to fix the wifi battery drain bug (6615) myself after waiting for something to happen for weeks and decided to share the fix and there was people telling stories about extras-devel and unofficial risky fixes and so on, nonetheless this fixed the expensive phone for 50000 people. It doesn't seem to me that the official software was less bug prone or risky than this leaked stuff.

Re: Is PR1.2 RC disappointing?
 

So you think its a good idea to create a thread about something that is non existent ? And even a pool to get more people?

How can PR 1.2 disappoint if its not out yet?
You also know that its a beta version so surely it has bugs and you expect that people will say they dont have problems? sooner or later if real PR 1.2 is not out everyone will notice some weird bugs. Originally i wrote like that because I was referring to people who flashed without knowledge what it means and how to revert changes back.