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Rob1n 2011-02-04 15:17
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gusse (Post 935860)
I think you could check that by yourself from the repository
http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/

No updates since 19-Jan-11.
That assumes that the repository we all see there is the same, and that we're not just looking at the most local copy of a distributed system (in which case a failure could have caused some copies not to update).

sjgadsby 2011-02-04 16:41
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelago (Post 935758)
Ideally, I think the first post in the "[Council]" thread should have linked to this existing discussion thread, and the thread locked.

Are you able to move all the posts from the "[Council]" thread here except for the first post?
Yes, and that's an excellent suggestion. 155 posts from "[Council] Maemo 5 gets community OS updates" have been merged into this thread. That thread has now been closed. Please continue discussion in this thread.

Jaffa 2011-02-04 16:53
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 935624)
Why are none of the developers responding to the queries regarding the updates?
Because, perhaps:
  1. It's a spare time activity, and they've actually been triaging the bugs (including dealing with the duplicates) and working on fixes
  2. Wading through this thread has become depressing with the number of people who aren't checking reported bugs the FAQ or even the thread itself.

This is my personal opinion having caught up on the thread after a few days travelling. Thanks to all of those who have been dealing helpfully with the incessant questions. I don't mind people asking questions, but I object to time being wasted answering the same ones again and again when they're clearly answered in at least four places.

Now the same questions are being asked on maemo-users. FFS.

Jaffa 2011-02-04 16:55
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LagunaCid (Post 934549)
Any idea on how to find the culprit besides having to uninstall everything?
See the FAQ, the Problems tab in Application Manager can be of great help.

Jaffa 2011-02-04 16:56
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJRedline (Post 935748)
Both, CSSU updates come through as something like Maemo Service Pack and when i check details it states CSSU repo.
Please state version numbers if you are seeing this weird behaviour. As far as I know, there has not been a new release of mp-fremantle-community-pr.

I would expect when we do there'll be a post in this thread.

LagunaCid 2011-02-04 18:14
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 935999)
See the FAQ, the Problems tab in Application Manager can be of great help.
yeah, i found it eventually (didnt know how to access it before)
as i said earlier, im getting this error:
Unable to update
Application packages missing: modest (>= 3.90.7-3)
which is very weird

Rob1n 2011-02-04 18:32
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LagunaCid (Post 936094)
yeah, i found it eventually (didnt know how to access it before)
as i said earlier, im getting this error:
Unable to update
Application packages missing: modest (>= 3.90.7-3)
which is very weird
Do you have another version of modest pinned? Check /etc/apt/preferences.

droitwichgas 2011-02-04 18:34
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 935995)
Because, perhaps:
  1. It's a spare time activity, and they've actually been triaging the bugs (including dealing with the duplicates) and working on fixes
  2. Wading through this thread has become depressing with the number of people who aren't checking reported bugs the FAQ or even the thread itself.

This is my personal opinion having caught up on the thread after a few days travelling. Thanks to all of those who have been dealing helpfully with the incessant questions. I don't mind people asking questions, but I object to time being wasted answering the same ones again and again when they're clearly answered in at least four places.

Now the same questions are being asked on maemo-users. FFS.
Apologies but you have been so good at answering queries earlier in the week I just wondering why it had all gone quiet, I wasn't demanding an answer!

I agree the continued queries regarding the shortcut & web browser bookmark etc are a problem but now this thread as grown to over 400 pages it will be difficult to find the answer if people even started looking them. I wonder if these two problems could be highlighted on the first page of this thread, with the solution for the first one, so that posters like me can just refer the poster to the first page when we see these questions rasied yet again, therefore allowing you guys deal with any new queries?

As far as my query with the updates it is odd that what appear to be usually relaible posters are suggesting that they have had updates when it appears there have been none so far.

clovis86 2011-02-04 18:37
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 936118)
Apologies but you have been so good at answering queries earlier in the week I just wondering why it had all gone quiet, I wasn't demanding an answer!

I agree the continued queries regarding the shortcut & web browser bookmark etc are a problem but now this thread as grown to over 400 pages it will be difficult to find the answer if people even started looking them. I wonder if these two problems could be highlighted on the first page of this thread, with the solution for the first one, so that posters like me can just refer the poster to the first page when we see these questions rasied yet again, therefore allowing you guys deal with any new queries?

As far as my query with the updates it is odd that what appear to be usually relaible posters are suggesting that they have had updates when it appears there have been none so far.
no offense but browser thing is planned to be rolled out as an update and people may use search this thread tools also ?

droitwichgas 2011-02-04 18:48
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by clovis86 (Post 936123)
no offense but browser thing is planned to be rolled out as an update and people may use search this thread tools also ?
Agreed but there is no sign of an update yet, I assume the Developers maybe testing it themshelves before rolling out, and we already know from the problems so far people are not using search, I am not really sure how easy it would be to find these two issues by using the search facility in any event.

clovis86 2011-02-04 19:00
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
yes anyhow updating 1st page will be a good thing
AFAIK rolling out an update took more than a week, anybody correct me if I'm wrong ..

ndi 2011-02-04 19:39
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
The first page is not updated because this isn't the official thread.

There is another with a [Council] tag. You want this thread. Available via search.

droitwichgas 2011-02-04 20:02
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndi (Post 936189)
The first page is not updated because this isn't the official thread.

There is another with a [Council] tag. You want this thread. Available via search.
The last post on that one states:-

Please continue discussion of this topic in the existing thread, "The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU".

And CLOSED at the bottom!!

That thread was merged with this one, I ddid make that suggestion myself a day days back, hence why it jumped from 200 posts to over 400 posts overnight, it just wasn't a frenzy of posters asking the dreaded shortcut/web browser bookmark questions!!

LagunaCid 2011-02-04 20:49
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob1n (Post 936112)
Do you have another version of modest pinned? Check /etc/apt/preferences.
I did install a modest update some time ago.
I'll try removing the pin there! Thanks for the idea!
EDIT: Thanks! :D It works!
woo

DJRedline 2011-02-04 20:57
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 936002)
Please state version numbers if you are seeing this weird behaviour. As far as I know, there has not been a new release of mp-fremantle-community-pr.

I would expect when we do there'll be a post in this thread.
maybe they weren't CSSU updates then. but i definately got an update the other day called 'Maemo Community Service Pack'

Maintainer is Atilla Csipa
Version 1.0-5
Installs all hotfixes not yet been made part of a firmaware update.

Jaffa 2011-02-04 21:17
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJRedline (Post 936256)
maybe they weren't CSSU updates then. but i definately got an update the other day called 'Maemo Community Service Pack'
Right. I knew that would cause confusion, but was told it wouldn't because it was "only for developers".

mcsp is a Forum Nokia "community" effort (which is appreciated) to bundle and ship Qt fixes to improve the cross-platform support of Qt on Maemo.

It is not related to the CSSU, although might be included in it (#11825).

hardkorek 2011-02-04 23:55
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by michaaa62 (Post 935649)
The update was for testers not whiners.
Thanks for answer but I don't think your attitude will help in improving maemo if you will scare non-debian-guru testers.

I tried it, vote for bug and ask if there is a work around cause I need some functionality back.
I could not ask and reflash, but why?

Next time if it annoys you just don't reply please.

Anyway pointing exact version with apt-get works just fine and i can send attachments again.

attila77 2011-02-05 00:16
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 936276)
Right. I knew that would cause confusion, but was told it wouldn't because it was "only for developers".
As it is, it is a dependency for mad-developer and not much else (qmlreddit ?). Plus, currently it is in the development section of extras-devel... If that doesn't make it clear that it's a developer thing, then nothing will IMHO. I enabled it as a user-installable package recently (I didn't want to, but there were requests and even plausible use-cases on irc that I cannot recall at 2AM).

Long story short: MCSP is is the collection of updates that are part of extras, and can be cleanly (un)applied to a stock PR1.3 install (whereas the CSSU replaces system components from the community repo).

sudipto 2011-02-05 08:23
Re: [Council] Maemo 5 gets community OS updates
 
Hi,

I have 64 MiB free in root fs as reported through Conky. Still getting this error. I have 1.3.

Please help.

Jaffa 2011-02-05 08:31
Re: [Council] Maemo 5 gets community OS updates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sudipto (Post 936619)
I have 64 MiB free in root fs as reported through Conky. Still getting this error. I have 1.3.

Please help.
Please read the FAQ! It will teach you how to help yourself. No offence, but "still getting this error" doesn't give much information on how to help you anyway. Do you expect someone who is going to help you to wade back through the thread finding your posts to find out what "this error" is?!

Since so many seem so incapable, let me quote it for you:

Quote:
Most of the reasons why the Maemo 5 Community SSU cannot be installed can be checked under the Problems tab when viewing the package in Application Manager.

Jaffa 2011-02-05 08:34
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 936133)
Agreed but there is no sign of an update yet, I assume the Developers maybe testing it themshelves
There is one repo currently. And it's the -testing one. Developers may have custom versions for some very preliminary testing, but there's absolutely no guarantee of stability for the -testing repo. Honestly. Please believe me. It might work fine now, but the next repo might cause a problem which requires some apt-get-fu to fix. If you have installed the CSSU, you are testing it's bleeding edge. So expect blood.

Quote:
and we already know from the problems so far people are not using search, I am not really sure how easy it would be to find these two issues by using the search facility in any event.
People shouldn't be searching TMO, they should be looking at the set of reported, valid bugs:

http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs
http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/QA

zBeeble 2011-02-05 08:39
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Any chance to get the IMAP IDLE stuff into one of these updates?

droitwichgas 2011-02-05 08:48
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 936624)
There is one repo currently. And it's the -testing one. Developers may have custom versions for some very preliminary testing, but there's absolutely no guarantee of stability for the -testing repo. Honestly. Please believe me. It might work fine now, but the next repo might cause a problem which requires some apt-get-fu to fix. If you have installed the CSSU, you are testing it's bleeding edge. So expect blood.



People shouldn't be searching TMO, they should be looking at the set of reported, valid bugs:

http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs
http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/QA
Jaffa have you looked at the first thread on this thread recently as instead of now explaining what the CSSU actually is it starts with a post from Stenny saying ''where the hell is the documentation?'!!

Perhaps this explains why so many people carry on asking the same questions as there now seems no easy way to find out where the bugs are listed.

Any chance the first post what used to be there could be put back in it's right full place? Otherwise I feel it is safe to assume the regular questions we are seeing will continue.

Jaffa 2011-02-05 08:58
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 936630)
Jaffa have you looked at the first thread on this thread recently as instead of now explaining what the CSSU actually is it starts with a post from Stenny saying ''where the hell is the documentation?'!!
Indeed, there's certainly nothing I can do about that. Whether or not one of the moderators can somehow insert a post before Stenny's; I don't know.

Quote:
Perhaps this explains why so many people carry on asking the same questions as there now seems no easy way to find out where the bugs are listed.
Sorry, I just don't get the mindset that a forum is a great knowledge management system. To install the CSSU people had to go to the CSSU homepage; that is where you should go back to see if your question is answered. There's even a sodding FAQ!

http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU

I'll report this post to the mods to see if there's a way a notice or something can be added to this thread with background information and persistent links to the relevant information.

fw190 2011-02-05 09:15
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
after apt-get update and apt-get upgrade I get something like this:
Quote:
BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

~ $ sudo apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be upgraded:
libpyside1.0 libshiboken1.0 pyside-qt4-core pyside-qt4-gui
python-pyside.qtcore python-pyside.qtgui
6 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 5694kB of archives.
After this operation, 36,9kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? ^C
Is it supposed to be like this after CSSU installation?

droitwichgas 2011-02-05 09:27
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fw190 (Post 936637)
after apt-get update and apt-get upgrade I get something like this:

Is it supposed to be like this after CSSU installation?
If you are worried about entering "Y" are you sure you really are a "tester"? I suggest you read the thread a bit more.

fw190 2011-02-05 09:32
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Well I thought that entering Y will restore the old files which had been updated with CSSU. I've entered Y several times without thinking or asking so I thought that it's better to ask then mess the phone again. I read a few pages ot this thread but didn't find the answer to my question. Maybe I didn't look deep enough.

Jaffa 2011-02-05 09:52
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fw190 (Post 936637)
after apt-get update and apt-get upgrade I get something like this:

Is it supposed to be like this after CSSU installation?
Those packages are unrelated to the CSSU, and are just being upgraded. Probably from Extras-devel. IMHO you shouldn't be doing arbitrary upgrades with Extras-devel enabled.

Jaffa 2011-02-05 09:54
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zBeeble (Post 936628)
Any chance to get the IMAP IDLE stuff into one of these updates?
There is a bug open to merge the offline IMAP support, which can be tracked under #11832.

However, there's not a bug to track "the IMAP IDLE stuff". Have you got a link to the patches?

EDIT: More info here: http://blogs.igalia.com/svillar/2010.../#comment-3162 and https://bugs.maemo.org/3888

Short version: seems that some work would need to be done to prevent IMAP IDLE being an enormous power drain. If a developer wanted to pick up on it and make the PR_Poll() changes discussed, then it'd be includable in the CSSU, IMHO

droitwichgas 2011-02-05 09:55
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fw190 (Post 936644)
Well I thought that entering Y will restore the old files which had been updated with CSSU. I've entered Y several times without thinking or asking so I thought that it's better to ask then mess the phone again. I read a few pages ot this thread but didn't find the answer to my question. Maybe I didn't look deep enough.
l think it is the developers views if you need to ask then you shouldn't really test this download which may leaving you requiring a re-flash.

fw190 2011-02-05 12:04
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
I think that You shouldn't be so smart and stop spamming this thread. I've already received my answer. Many times while having a problem when I havn't received help I just did a reflash. I just asked a question and since you don't get killed for it I think that I will do it from time to time. If you wan't do do something more stop spaming and telling people what should or shouldn't do and help out with the CSSU because from your talk I presume that you are a developer and you now a lot. EOT from me.

droitwichgas 2011-02-05 12:47
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fw190 (Post 936723)
I think that You shouldn't be so smart and stop spamming this thread. I've already received my answer. Many times while having a problem when I havn't received help I just did a reflash. I just asked a question and since you don't get killed for it I think that I will do it from time to time. If you wan't do do something more stop spaming and telling people what should or shouldn't do and help out with the CSSU because from your talk I presume that you are a developer and you now a lot. EOT from me.
Why would I want to "spam" I thread which has nothing at all to do with me? I just answered a query when I was reading the thread, I didn't ralise you had to be a developer to post answers on here? Anyway hopefully the Developers will have far more posts than my 100 or so. Anyway EOT from me (whatever that means!).

sjgadsby 2011-02-05 12:50
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 936634)
Indeed, there's certainly nothing I can do about that. Whether or not one of the moderators can somehow insert a post before Stenny's; I don't know.
I've previously inquired about adding a post at the start of a thread. Reggie says it's not possible.

That was one of the reasons I was hesitant to merge the threads.

clovis86 2011-02-05 13:48
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
just received an update ! thanks all !!

ScarCow 2011-02-05 18:05
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Does anybody else having issue with charging? I installed cssu, and since then i cannot charge my phone. I am not saying it is because of the cssu, but it is suspicious. Just started to happen after installation.

Btw, is there a way to uninstall it? Or do i need to reflash? Can i even reflash without charged batteries?


[Edit:] Sorry false alarm, seems to be a hardvare error.

-sc

Chrome 2011-02-05 19:18
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
any tips on how to solve this?

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9...1020521184.png

shnigi 2011-02-05 19:30
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Is this update still beta ?

Shinigamijim 2011-02-05 20:03
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
well, you can say it is still bete.
they keep adding and improving things each time.

Megaltariak 2011-02-05 20:19
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
Chrome: Check your /etc/apt/preferences file, remove hildon-status-menu from it (or remove the whole file if hildon-status-menu is the only pinned package)

HELLASISGREECE 2011-02-05 20:37
Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU
 
I got today the latest update to CSSU and Cssu enabler.

but I did it manually. shouldn't it be automatically shown with a notification?


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