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Looking through the descriptions on the wiki there are so many great applications coming our way :cool: Quote:
We have 650 Euros pledged thus far! Which reminds me, we need get these prizes locked down. There isn't that much feedback coming back, I might create some choices and leave it up to a forum poll or something. It's so important for us to be seen to have the right splits for the majority of maemo.org members, cos there's always one or two who come back with concerns after the competition end when you can't do anything about it.. GRRR! :p Quote:
Sorry Leon :o At the moment you have two entries, one as a beginner and one as a non-beginner. Presumably you'll be updating the MoGateway entry to non-beginner entry :)
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And another donation by Sap.
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Codi...ity_Prize_Fund Idea: Don't thank me for these donation posts, but find some posts from the donators and click "thanks" there. ;) |
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Meta-thanks @ zehjotkah for the idea to thank the original donators. ;)
On the other hand, the actual reason for this post is to notify you that I will be on vacation for the next two weeks until some time around 10th of September. I dunno if this conflicts with the end of the competition and thus the counting of votes. However, I will take care ASAP after my vacation to do the counting (given the competition already had ended). Also note that essentially everyone should be able to do the counting process by following the steps as described on the wiki page. Edit: Just remembered that I also donated. Completely forgot that. xD Don't get me wrong, I was not advertising to thank me. I just found the idea of a meta-thanks (a thanks for a call for thanks to others, if you wanna see it that way) kinda funny at the moment I wrote the post. ;) |
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I think a substantial delay will be more problematic this time because the sourcing of the devices is dependent on Nokia and maemo.org is also preparing for a transfer from Nokia. |
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We were expecting voting to commence some stage around middle of September. Are you able to provide us with some indication of the likelihood that we will not now be able to use the normal council voting mechanism? Is it still possible, or should we accept it is unlikely? We don't really know what is going on with the move away from Nokia so really we're relying on council to keep us informed :o In terms of a Plan B, there is only polls on the maemo.org forum left as an option. Anything else will remove the voting and accountability away from maemo.org. You may remember from the first coding competition that there was controversy around the forum polls as multiple votes were being received from the same IP addresses, and members were asking friends to sign up and vote for their application. In that instance we requested the council and Reggie's help to adjust the results by removing duplicate IP votes and those new to the forum, and in the following year used the council voting mechanism to help reduce any possibility of fraud. In case of needing to use the forum polls as our Plan B, we will require the help of Reggie and council. Reggie can run queries on the raw data retrieved from the site database, but the results will only be made available to council. As was the case back then, I would need to liaise with someone from council to receive the adjusted results. We would also need to allow Reggie the time to work through the polls as there is a lot of information to get through and it's important it isn't rushed. So I think my questions back to council would be the following:
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And big thanks to Wonko, Sap, and OVK for the donations - much appreciated :cool: |
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So, there are only 2 weeks left until end of submission but there is still no submission page available?
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Exactly what I was asking myself the last 2 weeks! Would have come with that question too today.
Will there be asubmission page? Or will the wiki page announce and fremante repos be enough? |
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There should be a countdown clock next to maemo.org logo to catch attention (dunno if possible though) or perhaps a big blinking entry in navigation bar (Development, News,Talk..)
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The past few days my worries have been on other things, mostly the voting (I can't see any response from council to my questions as yet, I guess they need time to discuss things) and worrying about securing devices for our prizes with Quim leaving Nokia. Quim has stated in his farewell thread that: Quote:
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I'd like you to think about each entrant's submission criteria - what do they need to submit. These details are what I'll be using to set up the competition threads. Maybe think of this rough form as a starting point, here's a list of the top of my head:
I'm sure you can think of others to add/tidy up :) peterleinchen and caco3, are you both ready to enter now? You can be my guinea pigs if you like :D I know Khertan is ready to go too. Quote:
---------------------------------------------------------------------- We've has some queries about the prizes split, I'll outline how it is at the moment (this will be the current option) and if anyone isn't 100% please reply and also please give your proposed option at the same time. I'll leave it here for a few days and then run a poll to decide which one we keep. One piece of feedback was regarding not having multiple prizes per developer in cases of multiple applications entered, so I've adjusted the below to allow for that. Device split: Desktop, System & Utilities (2 N950, 2 N9) Games, Graphics & Multimedia (2 N950, 2 N9) Network & Communications (2 N950, 2 N9) Location & Navigation (2 N950, 2 N9) Other (2 N950, 2 N9) Updates and development on existing apps (2 N950, 1 N9) Beginners (made up of entries from the 5 main categories) (2 N950) Bounty split The next two places in each category will receive a bounty share of 55% and 45%. That will be 14 shares in total, and for most categories will be prizes for 5th and 6th place. What happens if we don't have enough entries in a category for all prizes? The first left over prize will be assigned to the category with most entries. Any next left over prize will be assigned to the category with second most entries, and around and around until all prizes are allocated. How about any unallocated prizes are returned to council for.. No :p How will devices be allocated to winners? The first placed winner gets their first choice from the pool of devices allocated to that category, the second placed winner gets the next choice, etc etc until all devices are allocated. It's one device per winning developer, not application. What about developers who are placed as device winners in multiple categories? They will have the option of choosing which device they prefer from one category. For example, a developer placed 2nd in one category would have the choice of both devices but a developer placed 4th might only have the choice of what ever was left. The freed up device in the other category will then be reallocated, and the next developer down the list of winners (most likely the 5th placed developer, for example) will then become a device winner. Effectively the prizes will skip a place. The bounty split will then follow, being awarded to the two developers placed after the last device winners. What about developers who are placed as prize winners in the same category? Similar to above, the winning developer can choose which prize they desire and the other prizes will then skip a place in the ordering and be assigned to the next developer along. How does the beginner's category work? Similar again to the above scenarios - if you win a prize in both the main categories and the beginners one, you choose which prize to accept and we'll skip the your place in the other category. What if someone doesn't want to accept a device as a prize? Some of our entrants may have devices already or may simply prefer a bit of money instead. We'll offer the chance to swap your device with one of the bounty prize winners. Please understand this has to be suitable for both parties, so we can't guarantee it. But where possible we will accommodate requests. How will applications be listed on each competition thread for comparing? Alphabetically by application name. I've wrote that all ^^^ off the top of my head this moment so it's 100% guaranteed I've left something out, but hopefully it makes sense. Feel free to pick holes, I'd rather faults were found now than after the competition ends :) But be gentle, Im fragile these days :p |
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Hi kojacker
Thank you for the work and time you are putting into this. For me it doesn’t matter which form the entry procedure has. As long as it works and doesn’t give you too much work. I like the form on your blog. However I miss a field to enter the download location. Also there should be a note field. So a developer can add a note, i.e. if he does not want the money or the phone. Saves you time once you try to allocate the devices/prices. |
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just grunted my submission onto your site. Agree to caco that a field for download is missing (just put it as link into text field). Note filed would be nice, but not mandatory. Maybe add a few more screenshots upload fields (maybe it is hard to decide for just two pics). Need to read your post once again to get all points ;) When that is what just came to your mind, just take another 5 minutes and you have all in ;) Thanks for your efforts. |
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I uploaded the package for Lone Wolf to extra devel.
I cannot make screenshots and test the package now, I'll submit the entry in the form when I can. ;) |
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Thanks guys, appreciate the feedback! :) Peter and Paolo, I got your entries through just fine :cool:
I've styled the form a little bit so it isn't so plain looking as before. Don't judge - I have very limited artistic skills! Anyways, I like the idea of a 'notes' field for any other info, caco3, so I'll defo add that in. In the meantime feel free to add whatever extra details you like into the text fields, as long as the basics are covered ofcourse. I've limited it to two screenshots, peterleinchen, because i'm thinking of the category threads where everyone's applications will be shown together in the same thread - the screenshots take up a lot of space. What I'd suggest to everyone is that they pick their two favorite ones to attach, then add a link in your competition entry text that points to a maemo.org announce thread or other support page (for example) - that way you can add as much media there as you like :) By the way (especially for our beginners) if anyone doesn't have an application thread they should really consider creating one. People will be interested in your application, and it's a good idea to give them somewhere to go to find out more about your hard work! Also I will be requesting that chatter in the voting threads is at a minimum so it'll give people somewhere to ask questions and otherwise get involved. I've registered a new email address with gmail - maemo.competition2012 'at' gmail.com. The web entry form now sends your entries directly to it, but also there's no reason not to accept entries that are emailed directly if that's easier. Just as long as your email entry contains all of the relevant info, else I have to chase you up.. and if I chase you then I might release the dogs. Or the bees. Or the dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees... Or worse it could delay your entry, so better try get everything in at the start right? :) I'll share the login details of the new email account with zehjotkah and I'll pick someone(s) at random from the council too. Just so there's a few trusted independents with login access, in case my evil enemies finally capture me before the competition entry deadline. Once the competition is done, the council are welcome to take it over, retire it, do whatever they like with it. I'm sure I had something else to say but I've forgotten what it was. Anyway please keep the feedback coming in about everything.. I realise there is a lot of changes needed to be done to the wiki, I'm hoping to hear something back about the other outstanding issues - voting, a consensus on prizes, etc - so i can do it all at once. |
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What about adding app icon to the form? This would help identify the application within large number of submissions.
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I do like the idea though. in my head i can image each application having an entry where the icon is top left and the text flows nicely around it. In reality, if we're stuck to using maemo.org forum posts, there isn't many layout choices available :o The way images are embedded, having an extra icon image would take each entry longer by the height of the icon image - and multiply that by the entries in each thread probably adds a lot of length to the thread. I'm hoping that developers who have a recognisable branding for their application icon, and who'd like that displayed with their entry, are able to make use of one of the two 'screenshot' images for that - just attach the icon image instead. Edit: Thanks marrat, received your entry for MeeDocs :) I'll add a column to the wiki list for confirming when an entry has been received (sometime later tonight, after work) Edit 2: Got some spare moments after all, so updated the wiki with an 'Entry Received?' column. Anyone who enters through the submission page should receive an automated response anyway, but this column will let you know I've seen it. Removed a few references to the competition submission site and added details of the web page form and email address. We've three early birds so far :) |
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I would have liked the icon also, but understand your concerns/arguments.
What about an extra field for direct link to application (may it be thread on TMO, own web site, whatever)? Is it possible to edit an submission? |
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Thanks rzr, avis, and CaCO3 - got your entries through :)
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Hi guys, I haven't had any response from council yet regarding my questions on the voting process. I had a look through council logs and don't think it's been raised yet. There is a council meeting on irc scheduled for 18:00 UTC today so perhaps it will be one of the agenda items. If someone is attending could they please check that it's discussed for us? Unfortunately I'll be beginning my 2 hour commute from work at that time and won't be able to attend the meeting myself.
I'm keen to hear any proposals for voting from y'all out there, as it's arguably the most important part of the whole process. Writing off the top of my head right now, here's what i see as possibilities ranked in preferred order.
Please let me know if you can think of any more options, or just your thoughts on the above. Edit:
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Disclaimer: I'm talking without real knowledge on the technical side. Apparently the problem is that it's not so easy to set up the voting mechanism on Maemo servers, and X-Fade is now leaving maemo.org duties, so it seems difficult to use his limited time to address this voting process. Now, we are going to have a conf with X-Fade today before Council meeting (haven't received news from him on a lot of topics from quite a long time now) and we will discuss also about this question. Please join us at #maemo-meeting either at 15:00 UTC or 18:00 UTC. |
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I understand things are difficult now with the evolving situation of the forum, but thanks for raising it with X-Fade. If it's not possible that's also understandable, the second option (anonymous poll + Reggie adjustments) would be my preferred backup. if Reggie is also on the meeting, could you discuss the possibility of him applying queries to anonymous polls for the removal of duplicate IP accounts/newly created users? Similar to what he did for the original coding competition. If you could keep us up to date with whatever is discussed (good or bad news) it would be much appreciated - thanks again :) |
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Seems that X-Fade might be able to handle this, however prepare a Plan B, just in case.
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VirtRanSim (Simple tool to select virtual keyboard from the range of already installed files) is almost ready, just need to package it as deb-source and upload it to Maemo Extras... No pseudo-random crashes in this version.
In file included from src/libvirtransim.c:1: /usr/include/hildon-cp-plugin/hildon-cp-plugin-interface.h:34:22: error: libosso.h: No such file or directory Why cannot hildon-control-panel-dev (for which I have build-dependency) depend on libosso-dev, or whatever it needs? Oh well, I just will have to add it to mine build-dependencies, though it is counter-intuitive. The autobuilder says 'OK'. I have to test it, and then to make up an icon for it. 64x64 is the largest size required, 26x26 is the smallest, right? Not easy to make up an icon from nowhere. Off-topic: what kind of file format is .t8? Used in Martian Memory game ported to N900. Its appearance is atrocious. I am interested in making cards - and the whole appearance - a Sherlock Holmes theme. Just because I cannot stand pink letters and silly images (and Adobe Flash). Oh well, it turns out that while it has to build-depend on libosso-dev, it must not depend on libosso, because libosso is a virtual package. By the way, what am I using as icon currently, in this XB-Maemo-Icon-26 field? Does not matter much, not yet... Have to get it working, before worrying about the icon... It is uploaded (to Extras-Devel for fremantle) as virtransim, version 0.1.1. The only screenshot it at http://sharesend.com/t5fe6 I will have to draw icon later. And, why is chmod complaining during the installation of .deb? Does a library (.so) need '+x' permissions in order to be able to work, or not? Should I make postinst file completely empty, then? |
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A donation by leon.anavi
Thanks! http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Codi...ity_Prize_Fund edit: and another one, this time by jurop88 |
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Can someone give me link to tutorial or explain me shortly how can I put non-free package in extras-devel repository for Fremantle (N900)?
I have registered garage account, and I got privilege to upload, however I can only source to upload. At the moment I am not allowed to release source (I and my mentor are in dilemma since project on which I was working is at same time my diploma work). Someone advised me that I should use "dput" in Ubuntu, however I am currently running on Windows. So can someone tell me is it possible to upload on Windows or I must install Ubuntu? |
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http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras#scp On Windows, you may be able to use PuTTY, FileZilla or WinSCP to scp your files to /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-nonfree/fremantle on drop.maemo.org. Edit: You will need to generate an SSH key and attach it to your Garage account first, see: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_E...load_to_extras |
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Help! Screen (touchscreen, LCD screen, LED, light sensor, front camera - everything) is disconnected from the main body. The most I can do, is take photographs (or videos) blindly and restart the whole device (speakers are fine, and incoming calls are heard, but for some reason are regarded as missed calls very quickly, no chance to catch them). How can the hardware be repaired? Where can a manual be found? Thanks in advance. It's the same issue as http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74007 |
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--- To bring it back on-topic - it's first time I hear about "diploma work" being mutually exclusive to FOSS. No reason to have dillema about - GPL or similar license doesn't mean it stop being "copyrighted" by You, as per law. Until Your University is one of this hopeless ones, that steal student's work, by claiming exclusive rights to publishing diplomas (not legal in most civilized countries, anyway, even if written in contract), You should have no problem. /Estel |
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kojacker, zehjotkah
This Friday, at 15:00 UTC, we will have a meeting with X-Fade. Please send the details for CC voting to council@maemo.org so we can comment it with him and try to assist if you want to comment about it. |
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If I understand correctly from the meeting logs, X-Fade may be away on vacation for a week from the 10th. I think it would still be preferential even if we had to wait until his return to supply the full list of entrants. Although the vote would be delayed by a week, I think it would still be worth it to use the council voting mechanism. In reality, the alternatives would also introduce a delay anyway - be it for Reggie to verify anonymous votes or for the counts to be otherwise handled manually. And the extra time can still be used for verifying entries, testing from users, etc. Is there anything we could supply so X-Fade could get things started then there'd be less to do on his return? Quote:
When you say screen is disconnected from the main body, you mean literally seperated or that the software drivers are not working? You might want to reach out to the folks that have changed their phone cases as they might have some info/links to the assembly instructions you need. Good luck! :o |
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@Thesis & FOSS
From my experience (Bachelors thesis & now Masters thesis on Faculty of Informatics Masaryk University) I was actively encouraged to do everything FOSS. Actually, it was required for the bachelors thesis ("compare current FOSS navigation systems, choose one and improve it"). :) Furthermore, all theses are available online in full, not only the written part [example] but also any source materials [example] (source code, documentation, images, ...). |
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For folks (especially beginners) who are uploading their Maemo5 applications to the mameo.org repositories today, titilambert has reported a possible problem with the builder at this time http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86572. It won't affect any builds you are making locally, only if you are using the maemo.org repository auto-builder. So if that's in your plans please keep an eye on the thread so you're not caught out :)
It shouldn't take long to fix so hopefully it won't affect anyone taking part in the competition before Sunday's deadline. However, it's not necessary for your application to be on the maemo.org repository to take part in the competition (though it's nice :) - you get virtual brownie points*) - so even if it's still broken by then you can host your deb somewhere and upload it to the repository later. * virtual brownie points not redeemable for prizes Quote:
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An update on registered participants and submitted applications:
Desktop, System, and Utilities: 24 (7) Games, Graphics, and Multimedia: 27 (5) Location & Navigation: 7 (0) Network & Communications: 19 (4) Other: 13 (3) Updates on existing apps: 15 (6) 105 registered applications with categories on the wiki page, but only 25 submitted entries so far. At the moment we wouldnt need a vote - hopefully we get a last week flood of submissions :o I'm worried there are a lot of folks out there who don't know they are able to submit their entries now, or who have forgotten/aren't aware of the deadline. If you know someone (any of these guys) in that situation please nudge them towards the submission form. Also, if you've seen any applications recently announced that you like please remind them to take part. Hopefully we can boost these numbers up a bit :) Edit: Added same update to the maemo.org 'Applications' thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=17) and the MeeGo forum (http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=41629&postcount=2). Thing of spamming the Community mailing list. Edit2: ps I'm gonna start spamming people's inboxes until they submit applications (no shame :D ) |
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Thank you. Since it is hardly possible to repair the flex cable of N900 within one week, don't expect me to be adding any more entries, even simply porting applications from Debian. Any information on keyboard shortcuts for screen-less navigation is welcome. |
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If you have a look at the 'Participants' table on the wiki, the column furthest to the right is 'Entry Received?'. I add a YES in there once i see the submission has come through. It's so each developer knows I've received their submission ok, and these make up the list of entries so far. I haven't actually posted anyone's submission anywhere as yet as perhaps it wouldn't be fair for others to see them until after the submission deadline has passed. Though there will be time to update these later anyway. Quote:
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My submission is in!
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