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Helmuth 2012-08-20 15:50

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leon.anavi (Post 1253432)
As as wrote earlier MoGateway is a beginning project for email to SMS gateway app for smartphones. It main target for the moment is Nokia N9 :)

Mh, you might misspelled it. The beginner section is for new developers, not for new projects.

Sorry. :)

helex 2012-08-20 19:45

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kojacker (Post 1231167)
Oh you better, it wouldn't be the same without atleast one application from you helex!

So kojacker, here you have: The worst Coding Competition contribution 2012!

Worth at least a trophy, isn't it? :D

kojacker 2012-08-22 16:06

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jukra (Post 1253091)
Hi folks!

2012 coding competition got me started finally to implement the software I have had on my mind for a while. My problem is that I would like to measure easily the input power of the wooden pellets burner that is used to warm our house.

This problem will be solved by graphical Biopower application for N900.

BioPower is partially derived work from Babyphone by Roman Morawek. However, BioPower's purpose of the use is totally different than Babyphone, so personally I see BioPower as a new application. So what do you think - may I enter the competition with BioPower?

Initially I placed BioPower in category Others, but it could also be in Desktop, System & Utilities. Is Others the correct category by your opinion? If not, what would be the correct choice?

Hey jukra, BioPower sounds pretty interesting :) Well, I don't see any reason why it can't take part assuming that it's not Babyphone with a name change or something like that :p You are expected to have done a certain amount of work on your application. But one of the advantages of open source software is that you can build upon libraries and code already out there to develop new and wonderful things. If you're happy enough to outline and be judged on the work you've completed I don't see why it can't be added as a new application.

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Originally Posted by helex (Post 1253373)
Kojacker... I had a really, really bad conscience during the summer... a coding competition done by zehjotkah and kojacker and I'm not participating. :(

So, I changed my mind... you asked for it and I took a single day off from work. Especially for you, kojacker. A single day to have something to submit. Only some hours to code and I must say, my N900-x-ray App was really, really useful compared to... ... ... ehm, my newest project. :D

That's the spirit helex! :cool:

Quote:

But, searching badly the good news: I'm sure I will be unable to win anything this time. It is anyway not needed since I already have a Nokia N950 and more talented developers could do much more important (Mer & jolla) stuff with it than me. :)
Oh you're much too modest, i'm not believing a word of that ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by helex (Post 1253889)
So kojacker, here you have: The worst Coding Competition contribution 2012!

Worth at least a trophy, isn't it? :D

Haha.. it's certainly not the worst ever, and indeed it is worth a trophy! Unfortunately we don't have any trophy's as prizes, maybe you'll have to be content with something else :p

Looking through the descriptions on the wiki there are so many great applications coming our way :cool:

Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1253762)

Thanks proprog!

We have 650 Euros pledged thus far! Which reminds me, we need get these prizes locked down. There isn't that much feedback coming back, I might create some choices and leave it up to a forum poll or something. It's so important for us to be seen to have the right splits for the majority of maemo.org members, cos there's always one or two who come back with concerns after the competition end when you can't do anything about it.. GRRR! :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmuth (Post 1253808)
Mh, you might misspelled it. The beginner section is for new developers, not for new projects.

Sorry. :)

100% Helmuth, the beginner section is for those new to development and not for new projects by experienced Maemo/MeeGo developers.

Sorry Leon :o At the moment you have two entries, one as a beginner and one as a non-beginner. Presumably you'll be updating the MoGateway entry to non-beginner entry :)
  • leon.anavi (Leon Anavi) MoGateway Network & Communications 90% Y MeeGo Harmattan/Symbian
  • leon.anavi (Leon Anavi) location2sms Updates and development on existing apps 100% N MeeGo Harmattan/Symbian/Android

zehjotkah 2012-08-24 10:29

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
And another donation by Sap.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Codi...ity_Prize_Fund

Idea: Don't thank me for these donation posts, but find some posts from the donators and click "thanks" there. ;)

Wonko 2012-08-24 11:28

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Meta-thanks @ zehjotkah for the idea to thank the original donators. ;)


On the other hand, the actual reason for this post is to notify you that I will be on vacation for the next two weeks until some time around 10th of September.
I dunno if this conflicts with the end of the competition and thus the counting of votes.
However, I will take care ASAP after my vacation to do the counting (given the competition already had ended).
Also note that essentially everyone should be able to do the counting process by following the steps as described on the wiki page.

Edit: Just remembered that I also donated. Completely forgot that. xD
Don't get me wrong, I was not advertising to thank me. I just found the idea of a meta-thanks (a thanks for a call for thanks to others, if you wanna see it that way) kinda funny at the moment I wrote the post. ;)

zehjotkah 2012-08-24 14:34

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
And another donation by OVK.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Codi...ity_Prize_Fund

SD69 2012-08-24 20:31

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonko (Post 1255249)
On the other hand, the actual reason for this post is to notify you that I will be on vacation for the next two weeks until some time around 10th of September.
I dunno if this conflicts with the end of the competition and thus the counting of votes.
However, I will take care ASAP after my vacation to do the counting (given the competition already had ended).
Also note that essentially everyone should be able to do the counting process by following the steps as described on the wiki page.

Niels raised a concern with respect to conducting the vote for the Coding Competition. (His contract with Nokia has ended). Has this been relayed, or addressed yet, so that the Coding Competition can have a backup plan if necessary?

I think a substantial delay will be more problematic this time because the sourcing of the devices is dependent on Nokia and maemo.org is also preparing for a transfer from Nokia.

kojacker 2012-08-25 00:20

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1255390)
Niels raised a concern with respect to conducting the vote for the Coding Competition. (His contract with Nokia has ended). Has this been relayed, or addressed yet, so that the Coding Competition can have a backup plan if necessary?

This is the first I've heard of a possible problem with the voting, SD69, so thank you for bringing it to our attention. Last month I enquired about voting on the council thread and was advised that it should be fine, so I really wasn't expecting any problems :( But I understand things are changing around here...

We were expecting voting to commence some stage around middle of September. Are you able to provide us with some indication of the likelihood that we will not now be able to use the normal council voting mechanism? Is it still possible, or should we accept it is unlikely? We don't really know what is going on with the move away from Nokia so really we're relying on council to keep us informed :o

In terms of a Plan B, there is only polls on the maemo.org forum left as an option. Anything else will remove the voting and accountability away from maemo.org. You may remember from the first coding competition that there was controversy around the forum polls as multiple votes were being received from the same IP addresses, and members were asking friends to sign up and vote for their application. In that instance we requested the council and Reggie's help to adjust the results by removing duplicate IP votes and those new to the forum, and in the following year used the council voting mechanism to help reduce any possibility of fraud.

In case of needing to use the forum polls as our Plan B, we will require the help of Reggie and council. Reggie can run queries on the raw data retrieved from the site database, but the results will only be made available to council. As was the case back then, I would need to liaise with someone from council to receive the adjusted results. We would also need to allow Reggie the time to work through the polls as there is a lot of information to get through and it's important it isn't rushed.

So I think my questions back to council would be the following:
  • How likely is it that we will require a Plan B for voting?
  • Is there any reason you can see that we couldn't fall back on forum polls as our Plan B?
  • Would council be able to reach out to Reggie to check willingness/availability to adjust the polls? (I can reach out, but it keeps it official through you guys..)
  • I'll need a point of contact on council to work with Reggie to retrieve the results and provide them, or a subset of the results, for announcing as winners. Will that be ok?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonko (Post 1255249)
On the other hand, the actual reason for this post is to notify you that I will be on vacation for the next two weeks until some time around 10th of September.
I dunno if this conflicts with the end of the competition and thus the counting of votes.
However, I will take care ASAP after my vacation to do the counting (given the competition already had ended).
Also note that essentially everyone should be able to do the counting process by following the steps as described on the wiki page.

Around 10th of September works out well as the competition closes then, but there's voting on follow on after. So depending what happens with the voting (see the latest news from SD69 above :rolleyes: ..) we could still be using your brain power - so make sure you get plenty of rest on your vacation :)

And big thanks to Wonko, Sap, and OVK for the donations - much appreciated :cool:

caco3 2012-08-25 18:49

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
So, there are only 2 weeks left until end of submission but there is still no submission page available?

peterleinchen 2012-08-25 19:29

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Exactly what I was asking myself the last 2 weeks! Would have come with that question too today.

Will there be asubmission page?
Or will the wiki page announce and fremante repos be enough?

Kozzi 2012-08-25 19:37

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
There should be a countdown clock next to maemo.org logo to catch attention (dunno if possible though) or perhaps a big blinking entry in navigation bar (Development, News,Talk..)

kojacker 2012-08-27 17:58

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by caco3 (Post 1255681)
So, there are only 2 weeks left until end of submission but there is still no submission page available?

Hi caco3, as you'll have seen over the past couple of pages discussion regarding the competition submission site, we'll most likely be relying on Plan B (email/wiki) unless fcrochik comes up anything regarding the wordpress plan. But really it's quite late in the day. I posed the question a couple of weeks back:

Quote:

Or is it just simpler to update the wiki and/or everyone email me with details and I'll create threads on here?
I didnt get any response so it's hard to judge if what we're doing is right for you guys out there. But effectively we're running out of time with it, and that's what we'll most likely do.

The past few days my worries have been on other things, mostly the voting (I can't see any response from council to my questions as yet, I guess they need time to discuss things) and worrying about securing devices for our prizes with Quim leaving Nokia. Quim has stated in his farewell thread that:

Quote:

I will connect the council with the right people in charge of the maemo.org hosting and the distribution of devices
So as you can see, no matter how well you try to plan things there's always some external force ready to cause disruption and havoc :p If i go quiet for a few days it's probably cause i'm moving from one little crisis to another :p lol But hopefully I get the headaches so you all don't have to, though I know patience can run thin.. I feel the same frustrations at times too :o

Anyway, we keep moving forward...

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Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1255686)
Exactly what I was asking myself the last 2 weeks! Would have come with that question too today.

Will there be asubmission page?
Or will the wiki page announce and fremante repos be enough?

I love your questions Peter, but also come to me with ideas and feedback. Cause right now we have a bundle of things to decide and I'd love your thoughts on them :)

I'd like you to think about each entrant's submission criteria - what do they need to submit. These details are what I'll be using to set up the competition threads. Maybe think of this rough form as a starting point, here's a list of the top of my head:
  • Name and/or forum username
  • Application title
  • Application description
  • Category to enter
  • Beginner entry?
  • Description of application
  • Description of work completed
  • Screenshot 1
  • Screenshot 2
  • Location of where we can download and install the application

I'm sure you can think of others to add/tidy up :)

peterleinchen and caco3, are you both ready to enter now? You can be my guinea pigs if you like :D I know Khertan is ready to go too.

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Originally Posted by Kozzi (Post 1255687)
There should be a countdown clock next to maemo.org logo to catch attention (dunno if possible though) or perhaps a big blinking entry in navigation bar (Development, News,Talk..)

That would be great Kozzi, but i'm afraid we don't have any option other than to reach out to the same guys we did at the start to remind people the deadline is fast approaching! hopefully we'll get a mention on the Maemo Weekly News next week and some blog updates too. If you know anyone, feel free to reach out - that goes for everyone ofcourse :)
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We've has some queries about the prizes split, I'll outline how it is at the moment (this will be the current option) and if anyone isn't 100% please reply and also please give your proposed option at the same time. I'll leave it here for a few days and then run a poll to decide which one we keep. One piece of feedback was regarding not having multiple prizes per developer in cases of multiple applications entered, so I've adjusted the below to allow for that.

Device split:

Desktop, System & Utilities (2 N950, 2 N9)
Games, Graphics & Multimedia (2 N950, 2 N9)
Network & Communications (2 N950, 2 N9)
Location & Navigation (2 N950, 2 N9)
Other (2 N950, 2 N9)
Updates and development on existing apps (2 N950, 1 N9)
Beginners (made up of entries from the 5 main categories) (2 N950)

Bounty split
The next two places in each category will receive a bounty share of 55% and 45%. That will be 14 shares in total, and for most categories will be prizes for 5th and 6th place.

What happens if we don't have enough entries in a category for all prizes?
The first left over prize will be assigned to the category with most entries. Any next left over prize will be assigned to the category with second most entries, and around and around until all prizes are allocated.

How about any unallocated prizes are returned to council for..
No :p

How will devices be allocated to winners?
The first placed winner gets their first choice from the pool of devices allocated to that category, the second placed winner gets the next choice, etc etc until all devices are allocated. It's one device per winning developer, not application.

What about developers who are placed as device winners in multiple categories?
They will have the option of choosing which device they prefer from one category. For example, a developer placed 2nd in one category would have the choice of both devices but a developer placed 4th might only have the choice of what ever was left.

The freed up device in the other category will then be reallocated, and the next developer down the list of winners (most likely the 5th placed developer, for example) will then become a device winner. Effectively the prizes will skip a place. The bounty split will then follow, being awarded to the two developers placed after the last device winners.

What about developers who are placed as prize winners in the same category?
Similar to above, the winning developer can choose which prize they desire and the other prizes will then skip a place in the ordering and be assigned to the next developer along.

How does the beginner's category work?
Similar again to the above scenarios - if you win a prize in both the main categories and the beginners one, you choose which prize to accept and we'll skip the your place in the other category.

What if someone doesn't want to accept a device as a prize?
Some of our entrants may have devices already or may simply prefer a bit of money instead. We'll offer the chance to swap your device with one of the bounty prize winners. Please understand this has to be suitable for both parties, so we can't guarantee it. But where possible we will accommodate requests.

How will applications be listed on each competition thread for comparing?
Alphabetically by application name.

I've wrote that all ^^^ off the top of my head this moment so it's 100% guaranteed I've left something out, but hopefully it makes sense. Feel free to pick holes, I'd rather faults were found now than after the competition ends :) But be gentle, Im fragile these days :p

caco3 2012-08-27 19:52

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Hi kojacker

Thank you for the work and time you are putting into this.
For me it doesn’t matter which form the entry procedure has. As long as it works and doesn’t give you too much work.

I like the form on your blog. However I miss a field to enter the download location.
Also there should be a note field. So a developer can add a note, i.e. if he does not want the money or the phone.
Saves you time once you try to allocate the devices/prices.

peterleinchen 2012-08-27 20:03

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Oink oink,
just grunted my submission onto your site.
Agree to caco that a field for download is missing (just put it as link into text field).
Note filed would be nice, but not mandatory.
Maybe add a few more screenshots upload fields (maybe it is hard to decide for just two pics).

Need to read your post once again to get all points ;)
When that is what just came to your mind, just take another 5 minutes and you have all in ;)
Thanks for your efforts.

sakya 2012-08-28 12:08

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
I uploaded the package for Lone Wolf to extra devel.
I cannot make screenshots and test the package now, I'll submit the entry in the form when I can. ;)

kojacker 2012-08-28 22:03

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Thanks guys, appreciate the feedback! :) Peter and Paolo, I got your entries through just fine :cool:

I've styled the form a little bit so it isn't so plain looking as before. Don't judge - I have very limited artistic skills! Anyways, I like the idea of a 'notes' field for any other info, caco3, so I'll defo add that in. In the meantime feel free to add whatever extra details you like into the text fields, as long as the basics are covered ofcourse.

I've limited it to two screenshots, peterleinchen, because i'm thinking of the category threads where everyone's applications will be shown together in the same thread - the screenshots take up a lot of space. What I'd suggest to everyone is that they pick their two favorite ones to attach, then add a link in your competition entry text that points to a maemo.org announce thread or other support page (for example) - that way you can add as much media there as you like :)

By the way (especially for our beginners) if anyone doesn't have an application thread they should really consider creating one. People will be interested in your application, and it's a good idea to give them somewhere to go to find out more about your hard work! Also I will be requesting that chatter in the voting threads is at a minimum so it'll give people somewhere to ask questions and otherwise get involved.

I've registered a new email address with gmail - maemo.competition2012 'at' gmail.com. The web entry form now sends your entries directly to it, but also there's no reason not to accept entries that are emailed directly if that's easier. Just as long as your email entry contains all of the relevant info, else I have to chase you up.. and if I chase you then I might release the dogs. Or the bees. Or the dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees... Or worse it could delay your entry, so better try get everything in at the start right? :)

I'll share the login details of the new email account with zehjotkah and I'll pick someone(s) at random from the council too. Just so there's a few trusted independents with login access, in case my evil enemies finally capture me before the competition entry deadline. Once the competition is done, the council are welcome to take it over, retire it, do whatever they like with it.

I'm sure I had something else to say but I've forgotten what it was. Anyway please keep the feedback coming in about everything.. I realise there is a lot of changes needed to be done to the wiki, I'm hoping to hear something back about the other outstanding issues - voting, a consensus on prizes, etc - so i can do it all at once.

swinkels 2012-08-29 10:24

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
What about adding app icon to the form? This would help identify the application within large number of submissions.

kojacker 2012-08-29 11:03

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swinkels (Post 1257141)
What about adding app icon to the form? This would help identify the application within large number of submissions.

It's a good idea swinkels, but presumably people would still be able to recognise the application from the title/screenshot as they scroll through the thread. Still, there's nothing wrong with a developer adding their icon or logo as one of the 'screenshot' images. It's not strictly just for screenshots, although it's named that way - it might be more relevent to have a pic of a user enjoying your application or even a design diagram. Whatever you feel helps 'sell' your application and your work. But in the vast majority of cases they'll be screenshots hence I stuck with that for the name of the field.

I do like the idea though. in my head i can image each application having an entry where the icon is top left and the text flows nicely around it. In reality, if we're stuck to using maemo.org forum posts, there isn't many layout choices available :o The way images are embedded, having an extra icon image would take each entry longer by the height of the icon image - and multiply that by the entries in each thread probably adds a lot of length to the thread.

I'm hoping that developers who have a recognisable branding for their application icon, and who'd like that displayed with their entry, are able to make use of one of the two 'screenshot' images for that - just attach the icon image instead.

Edit: Thanks marrat, received your entry for MeeDocs :)

I'll add a column to the wiki list for confirming when an entry has been received (sometime later tonight, after work)

Edit 2: Got some spare moments after all, so updated the wiki with an 'Entry Received?' column. Anyone who enters through the submission page should receive an automated response anyway, but this column will let you know I've seen it. Removed a few references to the competition submission site and added details of the web page form and email address.

We've three early birds so far :)

peterleinchen 2012-08-29 20:31

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
I would have liked the icon also, but understand your concerns/arguments.
What about an extra field for direct link to application (may it be thread on TMO, own web site, whatever)?

Is it possible to edit an submission?

kojacker 2012-08-29 20:46

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Thanks rzr, avis, and CaCO3 - got your entries through :)

CaCO3, I have a category query about your submission for CacheMe, I'll send you an email. (edit: now sorted out)

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1257546)
I would have liked the icon also, but understand your concerns/arguments.
What about an extra field for direct link to application (may it be thread on TMO, own web site, whatever)?

Hmmm... I'd have expected people to add the direct link into the "Please provide download details and installation instructions for users.." text area. Maybe it would be better to make a separate field.. it's a good idea Peter and worth thinking about... hmm

Quote:

Is it possible to edit an submission?
Sure, just reply back to the maemo.competition2012 email address outlining the changes and I'll pick it up :)

kojacker 2012-08-31 11:58

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Hi guys, I haven't had any response from council yet regarding my questions on the voting process. I had a look through council logs and don't think it's been raised yet. There is a council meeting on irc scheduled for 18:00 UTC today so perhaps it will be one of the agenda items. If someone is attending could they please check that it's discussed for us? Unfortunately I'll be beginning my 2 hour commute from work at that time and won't be able to attend the meeting myself.

I'm keen to hear any proposals for voting from y'all out there, as it's arguably the most important part of the whole process. Writing off the top of my head right now, here's what i see as possibilities ranked in preferred order.
  • Council voting mechanism (Preferred choice)
    PROS: Same as we used last year. This will enable us to receive 'anonymous' votes in a desirably trustworthy manner, in accordance with council voting rules, from users with a desired criteria (certain amount of karma, etc).
    CONS: It has not been confirmed either way, but the noises from council are that this option will not be available to us this time.
  • maemo.org anonymous poll for each category
    PROS: Simple to setup, anonymous
    CONS: Not as secure or trusted as council voting mechanism, unable to pro-actively apply voter criteria (number of posts/karma etc). Any voter criteria would have to be applied in retrospect, and as votes are cast anonymously it would require co-ordination between Reggie and council to remove votes from duplicate ID/non-eligible voters.
  • maemo.org non-anonymous poll for each category
    PROS: Simple to setup.
    CONS: Not as secure or trusted as council voting mechanism, unable to pro-actively apply voter criteria. Reggie required to remove duplicate IPs etc. Some users may feel put off from voting if everyone can see their choices.
  • Everyone just pm's Kojacker their choices
    PROS: Simple to setup, anonymous
    CONS: PM mail box may not be large enough, may need continued filtering to receive all votes from users. Kojacker can apply any voter criteria manually by checking profiles etc after all votes cast but, as it's a manual process, this will take longer, Kojacker will have no social life for a while. No up-to-date feedback as given with a forum poll. Introduces possibility of more human error, Kojacker may succumb to bribery - hopefully of a sexual kind (females only).
  • Everyone submits a voting form/emails the maemo.competition2012 email address, from a webpage hosted away from maemo.org (possibly my blog, somewhere else..)
    PROS: We can take care of everything ourselves. No mail limit.
    CONS: Loses some 'maemo.org legitimacy'. Longer set up time. Without someone logging into their maemo.org account, there's no way to tell you are who you claim to be. Still a slow, manual process for counting/applying voter criteria. Kojacker still humanly fallable and possibly corruptable (I'd love a Ferrari)
  • We forget about voting, let the council decide the winners from the entries (least favorable choice)
    PROS: Easy
    CONS: I don't think anyone wants this (especially the council :p)

Please let me know if you can think of any more options, or just your thoughts on the above.

Edit:

ivgalvez 2012-08-31 13:04

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kojacker (Post 1258503)
Hi guys, I haven't had any response from council yet regarding my questions on the voting process. I had a look through council logs and don't think it's been raised yet. There is a council meeting on irc scheduled for 18:00 UTC today so perhaps it will be one of the agenda items. If someone is attending could they please check that it's discussed for us? Unfortunately I'll be beginning my 2 hour commute from work at that time and won't be able to attend the meeting myself.

I'm keen to hear any proposals for voting from y'all out there, as it's arguably the most important part of the whole process. Writing off the top of my head right now, here's what i see as possibilities ranked in preferred order.
  • Council voting mechanism (Preferred choice)
    PROS: Same as we used last year. This will enable us to receive 'anonymous' votes in a desirably trustworthy manner, in accordance with council voting rules, from users with a desired criteria (certain amount of karma, etc).
    CONS: It has not been confirmed either way, but the noises from council are that this option will not be made available to us this time.
  • maemo.org anonymous poll for each category
    PROS: Simple to setup, anonymous
    CONS: Not as secure or trusted as council voting mechanism, unable to pro-actively apply voter criteria (number of posts/karma etc). Any voter criteria would have to be applied in retrospect, and as votes are cast anonymously it would require co-ordination between Reggie and council to remove votes from duplicate ID/non-eligible voters.
  • maemo.org non-anonymous poll for each category
    PROS: Simple to setup.
    CONS: Not as secure or trusted as council voting mechanism, unable to pro-actively apply voter criteria. Reggie required to remove duplicate IPs etc. Some users may feel put off from voting if everyone can see their choices.
  • Everyone just pm's Kojacker their choices
    PROS: Simple to setup, anonymous
    CONS: PM mail box may not be large enough, may need continued filtering to receive all votes from users. Kojacker can apply any voter criteria manually by checking profiles etc after all votes cast but, as it's a manual process, this will take longer, Kojacker will have no social life for a while. No up-to-date feedback as given with a forum poll. Introduces possibility of more human error, Kojacker may succumb to bribery - hopefully of a sexual kind (females only).
  • Everyone submits a voting form/emails the maemo.competition2012 email address, from a webpage hosted away from maemo.org (possibly my blog, somewhere else..)
    PROS: We can take care of everything ourselves. No mail limit.
    CONS: Loses some 'maemo.org legitimacy'. Longer set up time. Without someone logging into their maemo.org account, there's no way to tell you are who you claim to be. Still a slow, manual process for counting/applying voter criteria. Kojacker still humanly fallable and possibly corruptable (I'd love a Ferrari)
  • We forget about voting, let the council decide the winners from the entries (least favorable choice)
    PROS: Easy
    CONS: I don't think anyone wants this (especially the council :p)

Please let me know if you can think of any more options, or just your thoughts on the above.

Edit:

Hi kojacker it seems that the response has been lost between this thread and the Ask The Council thread, with such silly discussions there and on IRC,

Disclaimer: I'm talking without real knowledge on the technical side.

Apparently the problem is that it's not so easy to set up the voting mechanism on Maemo servers, and X-Fade is now leaving maemo.org duties, so it seems difficult to use his limited time to address this voting process.

Now, we are going to have a conf with X-Fade today before Council meeting (haven't received news from him on a lot of topics from quite a long time now) and we will discuss also about this question.

Please join us at #maemo-meeting either at 15:00 UTC or 18:00 UTC.

kojacker 2012-08-31 13:09

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ivgalvez (Post 1258548)
Hi kojacker it seems that the response has been lost between this thread and the Ask The Council thread, with such silly discussions there and on IRC,

Disclaimer: I'm talking without real knowledge on the technical side.

Apparently the problem is that it's not so easy to set up the voting mechanism on Maemo servers, and X-Fade is now leaving maemo.org duties, so it seems difficult to use his limited time to address this voting process.

Now, we are going to have a conf with X-Fade today before Council meeting (haven't received news from him on a lot of topics from quite a long time now) and we will discuss also about this question.

Please join us at #maemo-meeting either at 15:00 UTC or 18:00 UTC.

Thanks ivgalvez, i appreciate the update :) Annoyingly I wont be able to make the early meeting either as I cant access irc from work. (I'm surprised I even get TMO, and there's no mobile signal in the office :rolleyes: )

I understand things are difficult now with the evolving situation of the forum, but thanks for raising it with X-Fade. If it's not possible that's also understandable, the second option (anonymous poll + Reggie adjustments) would be my preferred backup. if Reggie is also on the meeting, could you discuss the possibility of him applying queries to anonymous polls for the removal of duplicate IP accounts/newly created users? Similar to what he did for the original coding competition.

If you could keep us up to date with whatever is discussed (good or bad news) it would be much appreciated - thanks again :)

ivgalvez 2012-08-31 15:38

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Seems that X-Fade might be able to handle this, however prepare a Plan B, just in case.

Wikiwide 2012-08-31 22:41

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
2 Attachment(s)
VirtRanSim (Simple tool to select virtual keyboard from the range of already installed files) is almost ready, just need to package it as deb-source and upload it to Maemo Extras... No pseudo-random crashes in this version.

In file included from src/libvirtransim.c:1:
/usr/include/hildon-cp-plugin/hildon-cp-plugin-interface.h:34:22: error: libosso.h: No such file or directory
Why cannot hildon-control-panel-dev (for which I have build-dependency) depend on libosso-dev, or whatever it needs? Oh well, I just will have to add it to mine build-dependencies, though it is counter-intuitive.

The autobuilder says 'OK'. I have to test it, and then to make up an icon for it. 64x64 is the largest size required, 26x26 is the smallest, right? Not easy to make up an icon from nowhere. Off-topic: what kind of file format is .t8? Used in Martian Memory game ported to N900. Its appearance is atrocious. I am interested in making cards - and the whole appearance - a Sherlock Holmes theme. Just because I cannot stand pink letters and silly images (and Adobe Flash).

Oh well, it turns out that while it has to build-depend on libosso-dev, it must not depend on libosso, because libosso is a virtual package. By the way, what am I using as icon currently, in this XB-Maemo-Icon-26 field? Does not matter much, not yet... Have to get it working, before worrying about the icon...

It is uploaded (to Extras-Devel for fremantle) as virtransim, version 0.1.1. The only screenshot it at
http://sharesend.com/t5fe6
I will have to draw icon later. And, why is chmod complaining during the installation of .deb? Does a library (.so) need '+x' permissions in order to be able to work, or not? Should I make postinst file completely empty, then?

zehjotkah 2012-09-03 06:38

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
A donation by leon.anavi

Thanks!

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Codi...ity_Prize_Fund


edit: and another one, this time by jurop88

draxcp6 2012-09-03 15:36

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Can someone give me link to tutorial or explain me shortly how can I put non-free package in extras-devel repository for Fremantle (N900)?

I have registered garage account, and I got privilege to upload, however I can only source to upload. At the moment I am not allowed to release source (I and my mentor are in dilemma since project on which I was working is at same time my diploma work).

Someone advised me that I should use "dput" in Ubuntu, however I am currently running on Windows. So can someone tell me is it possible to upload on Windows or I must install Ubuntu?

ginggs 2012-09-04 06:29

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by draxcp6 (Post 1260249)
Someone advised me that I should use "dput" in Ubuntu, however I am currently running on Windows. So can someone tell me is it possible to upload on Windows or I must install Ubuntu?

See:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras#scp

On Windows, you may be able to use PuTTY, FileZilla or WinSCP to scp your files to /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-nonfree/fremantle on drop.maemo.org.

Edit: You will need to generate an SSH key and attach it to your Garage account first, see:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_E...load_to_extras

Wikiwide 2012-09-04 07:57

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quick...
Help! Screen (touchscreen, LCD screen, LED, light sensor, front camera - everything) is disconnected from the main body. The most I can do, is take photographs (or videos) blindly and restart the whole device (speakers are fine, and incoming calls are heard, but for some reason are regarded as missed calls very quickly, no chance to catch them). How can the hardware be repaired? Where can a manual be found? Thanks in advance.
It's the same issue as
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74007

Estel 2012-09-04 08:36

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by draxcp6 (Post 1260249)
At the moment I am not allowed to release source (I and my mentor are in dilemma since project on which I was working is at same time my diploma work).

Someone advised me that I should use "dput" in Ubuntu, however I am currently running on Windows. So can someone tell me is it possible to upload on Windows or I must install Ubuntu?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikiwide (Post 1260708)
Quick...
Help! Screen (touchscreen, LCD screen, LED, light sensor, front camera - everything) is disconnected from the main body. The most I can do, is take photographs (or videos) blindly and restart the whole device (speakers are fine, and incoming calls are heard, but for some reason are regarded as missed calls very quickly, no chance to catch them). How can the hardware be repaired? Where can a manual be found? Thanks in advance.

What the heck, this thread turned into "Quick!", generic all-topics helpdesk? 0_o
---

To bring it back on-topic - it's first time I hear about "diploma work" being mutually exclusive to FOSS. No reason to have dillema about - GPL or similar license doesn't mean it stop being "copyrighted" by You, as per law. Until Your University is one of this hopeless ones, that steal student's work, by claiming exclusive rights to publishing diplomas (not legal in most civilized countries, anyway, even if written in contract), You should have no problem.

/Estel

ivgalvez 2012-09-04 08:45

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
kojacker, zehjotkah

This Friday, at 15:00 UTC, we will have a meeting with X-Fade. Please send the details for CC voting to council@maemo.org so we can comment it with him and try to assist if you want to comment about it.

kojacker 2012-09-04 10:18

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ivgalvez (Post 1260738)
kojacker, zehjotkah

This Friday, at 15:00 UTC, we will have a meeting with X-Fade. Please send the details for CC voting to council@maemo.org so we can comment it with him and try to assist if you want to comment about it.

Thanks for keeping us up to date ivgalvez, can you advise us what kind of details do you need? The competition entry does not close until Sunday midnight so we would not have a full list of entries by Friday.

If I understand correctly from the meeting logs, X-Fade may be away on vacation for a week from the 10th. I think it would still be preferential even if we had to wait until his return to supply the full list of entrants. Although the vote would be delayed by a week, I think it would still be worth it to use the council voting mechanism. In reality, the alternatives would also introduce a delay anyway - be it for Reggie to verify anonymous votes or for the counts to be otherwise handled manually. And the extra time can still be used for verifying entries, testing from users, etc. Is there anything we could supply so X-Fade could get things started then there'd be less to do on his return?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikiwide (Post 1260708)
Quick...
Help! Screen (touchscreen, LCD screen, LED, light sensor, front camera - everything) is disconnected from the main body. The most I can do, is take photographs (or videos) blindly and restart the whole device (speakers are fine, and incoming calls are heard, but for some reason are regarded as missed calls very quickly, no chance to catch them). How can the hardware be repaired? Where can a manual be found? Thanks in advance.
It's the same issue as
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74007

Whoah! Sorry to hear about your bad luck Wikiwide, what happened? :eek:

When you say screen is disconnected from the main body, you mean literally seperated or that the software drivers are not working? You might want to reach out to the folks that have changed their phone cases as they might have some info/links to the assembly instructions you need. Good luck! :o

ivgalvez 2012-09-04 10:39

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kojacker (Post 1260811)
Thanks for keeping us up to date ivgalvez, can you advise us what kind of details do you need? The competition entry does not close until Sunday midnight so we would not have a full list of entries by Friday.

If I understand correctly from the meeting logs, X-Fade may be away on vacation for a week from the 10th. I think it would still be preferential even if we had to wait until his return to supply the full list of entrants. Although the vote would be delayed by a week, I think it would still be worth it to use the council voting mechanism. In reality, the alternatives would also introduce a delay anyway - be it for Reggie to verify anonymous votes or for the counts to be otherwise handled manually. And the extra time can still be used for verifying entries, testing from users, etc. Is there anything we could supply so X-Fade could get things started then there'd be less to do on his return?

Well I understand the the entry to X-Fade would be the list of applications. Whatever it was needed for latest competition.

MartinK 2012-09-04 11:00

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
@Thesis & FOSS
From my experience (Bachelors thesis & now Masters thesis on Faculty of Informatics Masaryk University) I was actively encouraged to do everything FOSS. Actually, it was required for the bachelors thesis ("compare current FOSS navigation systems, choose one and improve it"). :)

Furthermore, all theses are available online in full, not only the written part [example] but also any source materials [example] (source code, documentation, images, ...).

kojacker 2012-09-04 11:07

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
For folks (especially beginners) who are uploading their Maemo5 applications to the mameo.org repositories today, titilambert has reported a possible problem with the builder at this time http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86572. It won't affect any builds you are making locally, only if you are using the maemo.org repository auto-builder. So if that's in your plans please keep an eye on the thread so you're not caught out :)

It shouldn't take long to fix so hopefully it won't affect anyone taking part in the competition before Sunday's deadline. However, it's not necessary for your application to be on the maemo.org repository to take part in the competition (though it's nice :) - you get virtual brownie points*) - so even if it's still broken by then you can host your deb somewhere and upload it to the repository later.

* virtual brownie points not redeemable for prizes

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivgalvez (Post 1260824)
Well I understand the the entry to X-Fade would be the list of applications. Whatever it was needed for latest competition.

Thanks ivgalvez, as far as i am aware this is all we need to supply (unless anyone who looked after it last year can think of something else?). Unfortunately the final list won't be available until after X-Fade leaves for his vacation but it will be waiting for him on his return, could you find out if that will be acceptable to him in Friday's meeting and if we're still good to proceed?

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1260829)
@Thesis & FOSS
From my experience (Bachelors thesis & now Masters thesis on Faculty of Informatics Masaryk University) I was actively encouraged to do everything FOSS. Actually, it was required for the bachelors thesis ("compare current FOSS navigation systems, choose one and improve it"). :)

Furthermore, all theses are available online in full, not only the written part [example] but also any source materials [example] (source code, documentation, images).

Hmm I see.. when i did my MSc there was something I had to consent to about allowing the university to make commercial projects from my disseration work. I can't remember the exact wording, but i remember thinking I'd be rather miffed if they made money from my work and I didn't get a share of the pie. Luckilly I solved any chance of being miffed by not being very good ;)

ivgalvez 2012-09-04 11:14

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kojacker (Post 1260832)
For folks (especially beginners) who are uploading their Maemo5 applications to the mameo.org repositories today, titilambert has reported a possible problem with the builder at this time http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86572. It won't affect any builds you are making locally, only if you are using the maemo.org repository auto-builder. So if that's in your plans please keep an eye on the thread so you're not caught out :)

It shouldn't take long to fix so hopefully it won't affect anyone taking part in the competition before Sunday's deadline. However, it's not necessary for your application to be on the maemo.org repository to take part in the competition (though it's nice :) - you get virtual brownie points*) - so even if it's still broken by then you can host your deb somewhere and upload it to the repository later.

* virtual brownie points not redeemable for prizes

I have already sent a message to X-Fade about it.
Quote:

Originally Posted by kojacker (Post 1260832)
Thanks ivgalvez, as far as i am aware this is all we need to supply (unless anyone who looked after it last year can think of something else?). Unfortunately the final list won't be available until after X-Fade leaves for his vacation but it will be waiting for him on his return, could you find out if that will be acceptable to him in Friday's meeting and if we're still good to proceed?

I'll ask him about it.

kojacker 2012-09-04 11:32

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
An update on registered participants and submitted applications:

Desktop, System, and Utilities: 24 (7)
Games, Graphics, and Multimedia: 27 (5)
Location & Navigation: 7 (0)
Network & Communications: 19 (4)
Other: 13 (3)
Updates on existing apps: 15 (6)

105 registered applications with categories on the wiki page, but only 25 submitted entries so far. At the moment we wouldnt need a vote - hopefully we get a last week flood of submissions :o

I'm worried there are a lot of folks out there who don't know they are able to submit their entries now, or who have forgotten/aren't aware of the deadline. If you know someone (any of these guys) in that situation please nudge them towards the submission form. Also, if you've seen any applications recently announced that you like please remind them to take part. Hopefully we can boost these numbers up a bit :)

Edit: Added same update to the maemo.org 'Applications' thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=17) and the MeeGo forum (http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=41629&postcount=2). Thing of spamming the Community mailing list.

Edit2: ps I'm gonna start spamming people's inboxes until they submit applications (no shame :D )

Wikiwide 2012-09-04 12:29

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kojacker (Post 1260843)
An update on registered participants and submitted applications:

Desktop, System, and Utilities: 24 (7)
Games, Graphics, and Multimedia: 27 (5)
Location & Navigation: 7 (0)
Network & Communications: 19 (4)
Other: 13 (3)
Updates on existing apps: 15 (6)

105 registered applications with categories on the wiki page, but only 25 submitted entries so far. At the moment we wouldnt need a vote - hopefully we get a last week flood of submissions :o

I'm worried there are a lot of folks out there who don't know they are able to submit their entries now, or who have forgotten/aren't aware of the deadline. If you know someone (any of these guys) in that situation please nudge them towards the submission form. Also, if you've seen any applications recently announced that you like please remind them to take part. Hopefully we can boost these numbers up a bit :)

Edit: Added same update to the maemo.org 'Applications' thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=17) and the MeeGo forum (http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=41629&postcount=2). Thing of spamming the Community mailing list.

Edit2: ps I'm gonna start spamming people's inboxes until they submit applications (no shame :D )

Funny... I have just entered the virtransim. Where can the list of entries be found? Will it be shown only later, when the voting starts?
Thank you. Since it is hardly possible to repair the flex cable of N900 within one week, don't expect me to be adding any more entries, even simply porting applications from Debian.
Any information on keyboard shortcuts for screen-less navigation is welcome.

kojacker 2012-09-04 12:45

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikiwide (Post 1260867)
Funny... I have just entered the virtransim. Where can the list of entries be found? Will it be shown only later, when the voting starts?

Thanks Wikiwide, got your submission :) Could you check your second screenshot for me, in my email it shows as 0kb and nothing is there. Is it possible it was too large for the form to email? Please take a look and submit again or email the competition email address and I'll make sure it's included in your entry :)

If you have a look at the 'Participants' table on the wiki, the column furthest to the right is 'Entry Received?'. I add a YES in there once i see the submission has come through. It's so each developer knows I've received their submission ok, and these make up the list of entries so far.

I haven't actually posted anyone's submission anywhere as yet as perhaps it wouldn't be fair for others to see them until after the submission deadline has passed. Though there will be time to update these later anyway.

Quote:

Since it is hardly possible to repair the flex cable of N900 within one week, don't expect me to be adding any more entries, even simply porting applications from Debian.

Any information on keyboard shortcuts for screen-less navigation is welcome.
I was just reading your pm about this. Hopefully you will be able to find a TV to try the TV-out with (or go run around your neighbours houses :) ) Don't worry about posting more entries, we're very happy with virtransim :) It might be better to create a new thread for your hardware problems as there's more chance someone will come across yoru situation and help you (rather than being buried in here :o ) Emailing one of the mailing lists might also be a good idea too.

piggz 2012-09-04 14:49

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
My submission is in!


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