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Strangely enough there is bash AND busybox (from list of packages someone posted), might be busybox by default and bash comes in with developer mode?

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I want to see comparisons made to current benchmarks, iOS, Android and Windows, not N9. N9 had many issues. The average Joe will be comparing it to mainstream OSs.

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szopin: Mer provides both options (busybox and standard coreutils and shells). The only problem, some packages are ancient because of the GPLv3 issue.

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FYI: closed vs. open components in Sailfish are discussed here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...3&goto=newpost

w00t posted a draft here: http://piratepad.net/JollaSoftwareState

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Compare it with this while you at it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOpLuMQgBRQ

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Can Android programs use internal and/or external GPS (over bluetooth)? I would like to start using Jolla for famous finnish racechrono.com app that I currently can use only with my old Symbian phone (as I just do not want to buy any Android devices).

why not set up a bugtracker @ sailfishbugs.maemo.org? Jolla folks are following maemo.org. i'm absolutely willing to help and could set it up, if wanted...

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No, it should be an official thing supported by Jolla if you don't want it to fail miserably. Relying on goodwill of some Jolla devs to follow that bugtracker won't really produce a good result. I.e. if Jolla has some concerns which prevent them from making a public bugtracker, they need to be addressed first.

Sailfish should be supposedly open (even though it's not yet - many packages are closed for now). So open bugtracker fully makes sense from community perspective.

https://sailfishos.org/about-license.html

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Do it! ;)
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agree, but better an inofficial bugtracker at maemo.org than bugreports on Twitter and Facebook...

TMO also started "inofficial" ;)

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Sure, I agree that it would be better than those reports posted through social networks. If Jolla opens up an official bugtracker, you can transfer bugs there in theory. But let's try to hear from Jolla first, what's going on. I don't really understand why Jolla set themselves up for such problems, launching a product without proper infrastructure ready. May be it's just lack of resources issue.

and this is exactly, where we could fill in...
well, just an idea

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Can we stay on topic 'Jolla User Experience Thread'

User experiences, no bugtrackers etc.
Show us what we can expect. Opinions coming from the early birds in what's good/new and what's bad or could/should be improved (all in UX and day-day usage)

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Sure, let's redirect community related discussions here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91721 (bugtracker, and so on).

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I guess I figured out what the problem of enabling developer mode was. It had to be one of these things I had on my device:
- I had device localized as finnish
- I had no simcard inserted (was using WLAN)
- I set device lock ON

I tried without these, and now it works ( I restarted numerous times with different combinations, between tries I used the "reset device" to wipe all settings and start fresh. )

Finally I can conclude it is the localization that is propably the cause. When I set up the language as "English (br)" I can install developer mode OK.

Now, a question; so can I change localization back to Finnish after enabling Developer Mode?

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Well, the device screen is definitely not so bright as N9. Not even when brightness is st to maximum.

As the screen is lcd it cannot match oled display, even though some people dislike the pentile oled of N9.

Also some co-workers noted to me that the scrolling is not "buttery smooth" when you scroll from screen to screen quickly (even as the slow srolling by finger is very smooth)
I myself do not notice this difference but it might ve visible to someone.

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I have been trying out some android apps from Aptoide market, they seem to be working fine (so far), i.e Firefox (can be used in landscape) is a bit sluggish but runs ok, Dropbox seems to work normal, also Youtube (multitasking not working tho, you cant play it in the background), Soundhound picks up tracks, Instagram works (but you cant upload photos from the app, you have to have the picture in the gallery), Spotify works, Whatsapp is the most buggiest (it is not possible to import all contacts, and there is no notification sound. or atleast not for me is working).

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Some people reported Amazon store working, does it work only for free apps?

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Yup, my point exactly a few pages back, really hoping they can finally step-up here with the proper overall community infra.
Not a hodgepodge of things spread all over the place, & "unofficially" supported.. :rolleyes:
But, people have a right to whine that it shouldn't be discussed here, I guess, so perhaps yet another thread discussing that should be spawned.
*EDIT*
I see that's been done, good stuff...
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91721

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A few more notions after a day with Jolla.

- Transitions between apps and screens are smooth, (native) applications run smoothly and logically.
- One of the main objectives, to get rid of small buttons and menus, has been completed surprisingly well and they have really moved past N9 in this respect. In some situations there is a button, but even then a swipe gesture to confirm is enough. New swipes and pulley menus are easy to use and efficient.
-I like a lot eg. the way they have gotten rid of the confirm buttons when you delete something. Instead they have a 5 second slider, which you can press if you want to cancel something (it isn´t used for everything). The slider doesn´t slow the user at all and he/she can continue to do other stuff right away.
- I like the way you can peak the time, internet connections, the home view etc., although I suspected it (or actually the fading) earlier.
- I also like that FB and Gtalk are integrated into the message app like on N9.
- The phone comes with a very small number of programs installed, I think nine, of which two are the store and tutorial.
-I haven´t tried many Android apps yet, but Spotify works fine and Whatsapp worked ok as well eventually.
- I really liked how the N9 fit into my hand and the fact that I could easily use it with one hand. Jolla is ok to use with one hand (I have short fingers) and the corners I get used to. Side bezels are ok, up and down bezels could have been a bit thinner. It´s surprisingly lighweight.
- The camera I haven´t tested yet properly, seems to be ok but probably needs some tuning.


Room for development :
The browser (landscape). The tabs seem to reload every time you choose them. =/ This is something I miss from N9 IF it stays like this.
The camera does not have zoom (I never use it anyway).
No music player controls in the lock screen yet.
4g support still under testing.


As soon as they fix the landscape mode for the browser the biggest annoyance for me seems to be the fact that I have to give the LPM screen on my reliable N9.

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You can use Firefox with landscape.

Any issues navigating in spotify. Any error because of android navigation?

What's your take on battery life so far?

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That´s true, haven´t tried it yet though.

No issues with navigating at this point.

Just noticed: if there are supposed to be two speakers at the bottom, only the left one seems to work. Was there someone else reporting this issue earlier?

Edit: Just noticed part 2: there is a pulley menu at the bottom of the media player when playing music, with the options (shuffle, loop, add to playlist) sideways.

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Yes so far at least one other owner has already...

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While CardDAV/CalDAV-support seems limited, from what I read here, I see there's the Buteo sync framework with SyncML on the Jolla. Is this active? And if so, would one be able to configure it with some XML-files, just like on the N9? That would be great, as that would allow me to sync contacts, notes and agenda with MemoToo straight away, perhaps by simply copying those xml files from the N9 to the Jolla. Of course it would be better if there's a GUI for it ;)

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I read and understood it totally differently when the current version of the Jolla's web pages were published:

• phone has technologies and antenna+tuner for working on 6 continents.
• technologies supported in each country/operator are published later.

I admit it was not described very clearly.

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Yes I reported that a few pages back and wanted to know if that is standard.

I found that, in fact I like the media player a lot.

I am finding that not many video formats are supported, but that is easily rectified in the future.

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Yep. Same here. Powerful speaker though!

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about the second speaker, quite a few Nokia phones as well only had one functional speaker, the second grill was only for aesthetics

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can play FLAC or MKV container?

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So, is anybody building a wiki or unofficial FAQ like what we had for the N9 and Harmattan? This thread is really welcome, but as it gets popular, it becomes a nightmare to follow it and get the interesting bits about Jolla/Sailfish, especially things that are actually new (because people post without reading the 40 pages before, which is understandable).

A single place to see news, short reports of features & bugs, videos, and dated updates would be awesome.

By the way, I'm dying to see a video/review/screenshot of the mail app. As someone who needs emails for work, yet is relatively often traveling, mail and calendar apps are the two apps I spend the most time in, by far. Only RSS and Twitter got a lot of attention too recently, but that was strongly correlated with Jolla release. :D

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will skype be integrated into jolla phone just like n9 in future update?

I need text and voice chat only.

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See: http://piratepad.net/JollaFAQ

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Thanks! I hope it will be kept up to date so that I can stop panicking when I get back home late and see 30 unread pages here!

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Yes to both.

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natively? sweeeeett. now how do I buy one..

EDIT : how about Wifi Hotspot? infrastructure mode or ad-hoc mode?

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Yes natively. There is vorbis and theora too. And aiff :D

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No hotspot yet if I recall correctly.

Here are first impressions:http://seravo.fi/2013/jolla-phone-first-impressions. Not read yet but might be interesting.

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What about Opus in the OGG container?

Sorry for off-topic, I tried to catch you on the IRC, but you weren't around. Are you still packaging new GStreamer in Mer? I think now is a good time to add Opus to the plugins there. I can add libopus itself first, since now 1.1 is almost out.

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Does the WiFi card itself support the hotspot? You can try enabling it manually through connman, even if UI lacks these settings.

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3D game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6gFMuTbC1Y