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The first video of the hardware adaptation:
https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-...-video-update/

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looking great.

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It is possible to change this ugly font in Jolla?!? It looks like font in Windows-Phone... :mad:

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Everything I would want so far. And the battery life sounds great too, if a device can last a whole day at mwc with constant opening & closing of apps with WiFi connectivity, then that's pretty sweet!

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Launcher icons were brought on by swiping over the bottom edge. Multitasking view stayed under it.

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quick Q - does jolla tablet officially put plans to port sailfish to other hardware on a distant back burner?

there was a lot of talk about new hardware adatptations this time last year, and it's been very quiet ever since...

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They have been actively working on it the whole time since then*, just need to go to the right places to see what they're doing, & where they're up to.
If you look at the adaptation list, it's exploded since this time last year, personally, I'd rather they pick 1-3 very popular/good devices** & really nail them.
I imagine that the rate of progress would've dropped-off quite a bit in the last ~2 months, though...

*along with non-Jolla contributors
**Nexus 5 please!

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Sony Z* range please. I've been mightily impressed by my Z3 compact tablet and phone and picked up a Z1 compact for about £200 too. It'll be a pity of Sony's mobile business gets sold off when their current devices are so good.

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Maybe you write Sony and inform them about the existence of Sailfish OS?
Just an idea -- they've used Symbian (Sony-Ericsson) in the past.
They are probably the only one out there that could match Sailfish with a decent camera.

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Not gunna happen, but: "You've gotta be in it to win it", so, I say why not...
Shoot them a concise/passionate letter, arguing why they must keep making that lovely hw, but with Sailfish licensed instead.*


*or maybe Jolla will do it for free -initially

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sony z ultra, now that would be a great tablet!

bog standard snapdragon 800 too, should be relatively straight forward as opposed to the new 801/805 SoC's...

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Edit: ah double checked on computer with better screen than Jolla... not a two-finger swipe :).

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Are you sure he is using two-finger swipes?

http://jaakkoroppola.blogspot.fi/201...r-screens.html

If you need more than 1 finger to move around in your OS, you should seriously look at the interface architecture and feature priorities.

"But with multi-touch , I could have an OS feature to directly alter orbits of celestial objects and.."

No. Stop it. You'd be still browsing, watching videos and gaming. And the only celestial object you know is Starbucks. Stop looking at increasing OS features, and pay more attention to enhancing user potential.

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Edit: ah double checked on computer with better screen than Jolla... not a two-finger swipe :).

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Dave, you'll be happy to know that the time has come.

BEHOLD, I give you...
http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/28/r...nd-smartphone/

Disc phone!

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Judging from today's MWC hands on videos, I can say I am quite disappointed by the changes. I do understand why the changes had to come, but I had little bit more faith in Jaakko Roppola's vision.

With SailfishOS 2.0, the homescreen is landscape friendly, which means that the home screens are now horizontal, instead of being vertical (like it is now on the phone). I have the following problems with it:

Inconsistency
Jolla took a challenge, trying to make their customers learn gestures. Unlike Android, where gestures are completely random (if they are present), they tried to make the gestures clear (like Harmattan), so you always know which gesture does what, even if you're blindfolded. This approach wasn't welcomed by everyone (i.e. the disastrous review on Phone Arena), but I believed that got under the skin of most users.
Now they are changing them. Bottom swipe will no longer open the events view, it will show the launcher instead (instead of quickly peaking to see the notifications, one can see only a sum up that looks exactly like on BB 10 and is also triggered by opening/exiting an app).
Such change of fundamental gestures should be communicated and seems quite ironic, in the light of Jaakko's recent tweet.

The end of cover action as we know it
With the introduction of horizontal interface, it is clear that cover actions could no more work as they did, because the side swipe would interfere with cover actions.
Jolla solved it by reducing the number of cover actions to one (the reasoning is quite unclear) and changing the trigger to tapping (see this video) the area of the cover where the icon is.

Jolla's original moto, "we are moving away from tapping on tiny buttons" is no longer true, because that's exactly what is now necessary to trigger a cover action.

Not only that - currently when you tap on an app cover, you can be sure it will open exactly where you left it. In Sailfish 2.0, you need to pay attention where you are tapping, because you may trigger an action you didn't intend to.

I think that it would make much more sense to convert the action gesture to a vertical one, which would make even more sense than now, because it could resemble pulldown/pushup menus.


No app shortcuts
The pulldown menu which is currently very convenient on the phone's lock screen is gone. You can no longer open the camera or silent the phone without looking at the screen.
App shortcuts in the multitasking view are also gone - you must swipe from the bottom to open the launcher, which is much more chaotic than 4 app shortcuts we have now. I can understand this decision, as app shortcuts at the bottom would look weird in landscape, but it still removes a valuable functionality without replacing it.



What's confusing:

• the partner space still looks quite useless, but is now even more in the center

What's good:

• the keyboard - split keyboard in landscape
• events view - finally fulfilling its potential
• double tap to wake

That's just from the top of my head, but I wonder if I'm the only one who dislikes the changes. I certainly hope these changes won't make it to the phone, because the inconvenience would be even greater there. I understand the changes towards the landscape-friendly UI, but don't fix what ain't broken.

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For whatever is worth, I think the changes in the interface seem to go in the right direction for me. I will have to check them on a real device to give a more informed opinion, but I like what I am seeing in the demos.

The shortcut pulldown menu on the lock screen has been for me more a source of frustration than anything.

A single cover action may seem limiting, but it still is more than other switchers provide. It might be a compromise, but possibly it is one worth doing for better interaction overall.

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I can't imagine what's frustrating about it - you don't have to use it :)
For those who do, it's the fastest way to silence the phone without looking at it and the best one on the market too (webOS phones had a great hardware switch, but they are gone).

Single cover isn't the biggest problem (and the reasoning is still unclear, so it is also unclear what's the compromise) - it's the new way of triggering it. When showing my Jolla to friends/family, no one ever accidentaly triggered a cover action, but once they were explained how it's done, swiping to pause a media player felt very natural to them.
I can't imagine showing the new concept to a new user and explaining that tapping an app cover doesn't always open the app...

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Actually, my frustration comes from the fact that I have triggered "silent mode" by mistake multiple times. I wish I could disable the action to avoid it...
I cannot think of a time I would need to silence the phone that often.
Silence a call, yes, silence the phone... rarely.

And supposedly, it should be possilbe to have a "silence mode", with a much more visible flag than a small note on the bottom of the screen by using a separate ambience.

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Seems there would be some edge swiping settings according to Jaako:

https://twitter.com/bundyo/status/572415034342682624

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One more hands-on video. This time from Pocketnow. They have been pretty open minded about Jolla from the larger blogs since the start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2bUlhfU708

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I hope it will be good. And will run android, because i'm not just using the os but apps too.

So it is finalized, i'm going for jolla tablet instead of great chinese cheapo android or dualboot tablet with killer specs, nor Nokia n1 or anything, but jolla.

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Sail 2.0 stole the left swipe menu from ubuntu. That's good. Love that since you can get access to stuff faster. Good move. ( Unless you are named kangal and love fruit ninja ;) )

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Ah, so you're the one in the cinema that hasn't silenced their phone! :D

Don't you silence your phone going into a meeting? or on a train so it doesn't annoy other people?

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Quite a great deal of disdain to be had in the comments:
http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/02/j...blet-hands-on/

Mainly thanks to this earlier story...
http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/02/j...ont-sell-data/

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Ho Ho ho Your network provider sell you out anyways... ;)

David Chaum fixed a solution for you in the 80s.

Btw. Tor works on sail?
https://openrepos.net/content/nieldk/tor

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Yah 10char

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wait they just opened this for licensing?

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That is just bananas becouse they haven't managed to get any partners. But yeah...it's opened :D

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Nah, they're just trying to be "tricky dicky" with their messaging, trying to build-up some hype etc, & then blame it on media outlets if/when long-time followers complain.

It's technically the first time they've tried to license Sailfish 2.0, but it's not the 1st time they've tried to license Sailfish "ever"...

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I see the tablet has this bulge at the edge of the screen like the phone do. I wonder if it is meant to protect the screen from scratches, but i don't like the feel of it on the phone when swiping. Curved edges would be offering better look and feel, take n9 for example, as always.

Margins between covers and launcher icons are huge, bad. Now if there are no cover actions, it is time to implement widgets, to me covers already are non-sticky widgets anyway, just rename them and offer a possibility to make them sticky + don't limit user actions. Make covers page vertically scrollable also. Take care, jolla!

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But still, the apps seems to be running in portrait mode (at least in the videos I've seen from MWC).

I wonder how all those changes will be applied to the phone (it seems SFOS 2.0 will come to Jolla phone about same time when the tablet will be shipping)

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This is really bad. Swipe cover actilns are one of my favourite UI elements in Sailfish.

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I agree with you. It makes me fear a little that to get some hardware partners, they are throwing away some of the "unlike" solutions, to get more like the other OS. The status bar return is the best example here after months of explanations about why it is better to remove it and show it bigger when peeking, than a small one always taking spaces...
And the active covers being dumbed down to push buttons means there is no more reason to not switch back to full fledged widgets... Yes, it was faster to use the media player and launch app on symbian belle using widgets and homescreens, than it is on jolla. The pulley menu on the lockscreen was also something that fullfilled the widgets of my old symbian phone (light, silence mode, or the camera that had a dedicated button).
Removing all this means it is slowing down the user experience. If they don't replace it by something else, then we lose something.

Jaakko's answers to your remarks on twitter feels like he has the good ideas, but can apply them. If he continues to blog about good ideas, but Jolla does something else, this will not help as a lot of people's expectations won't be fulfilled...

We'll see what comes from this on the phone, and I still hope for improvements against current situation, but I am a bit worried right now.

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don't worry, we have patchmanager :)

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I also absolutely dislike this enormous remodelling of the Sailfish OS UI.
The Jolla team took ages to implement even such small UI changes because they well-thought-out everything but now they are completely redesingning the whole UI in no time and are changing all fundamental swipe gestures?! Wtf.

I like it that they are trying something completely different but I can't imagine to feel comfortable with this new layout, especially because of the missing 'close by upper swipe'-feature and missing 'bottom swipe events view'-feauture.

This italian hands on video shows all changes in SF OS 2.0 I am refering to.


What I don't like about the current (mockup of) Sailfish OS 2.0:

• So there are now three different and completely independent layers: Lockscreen, Launcher, Homescreen/Events view/Partnerscreen.
  I don't like it that they seperated the Launcher from the homescreen (find the reason in the following points). It's inconsistent to me - that's a splited layout and you have to open a new layout everytime you want to do one thing (See notifications, open/look at your open apps etc.). Please vote here.
• They abonded the 'close by swiping from top'-feature so that you will now get this 'Lockscreen-menu' everywhere (even inside of apps). WTF are they doing this? I don't want to miss this awesome feature. I am closing ALL of my Apps on this way and never used the long-press-feature on the homescreen but in SFOS 2.0 it's the only way now... Please vote here.
• They are also abonden the feature to access the Events View from a bottom swipe. Please Jolla, why are you doing this? This is the best swipe feature, i love it, i use it most frequently and you are able to access all of your notifications from everywhere! Please vote here.
• Jolla replaces the bottom swipe feature with the 'feature' of beeing able to access your app grid from everywhere instead.
  I don't need such a 'feature' and I won't use it (if there would be another way to find any app icon) because I don't need to instantly open new applications. I open my needed and most used apps once I reboot my Jolla (or once a day) and keep them on the homescreen/multitasking screen. The multitasking screen is developed for this single purpose - isn't it? Please vote here.
• The active covers' action(s) are triggered by tapping on them now... This is a really stupid compromise (regarding this Tweets) because I open the moste active covers (especially the upper row) by tapping on the bottom part of the active cover (because of the range of my thumb). With SFOS 2.0 I will trigger the cover actions on this way every time trying to open an app. This also limits the cover actions to only one option. Please vote here.
• I also don't like that the active covers are oriented vertically even in landscape mode. I think they should also change into horizontal orientation while in landscape mode. I like it how it's shown in the mockups on the Indiegogo site.
• The lockscreen is missing some nice dynamical animation while and before unlocking.
• The events view seems to still miss the long awaited feeds integration. Please vote here and also here.
• I am splittet about the 'status bar'.Now it looks like any other OS on the homescreen but it's the only way (imo) to show the time etc. after seperating the homescreen from the lockscreen.
• The lockscreen misses the pulley menu for quick apps/feature access. The pain is doubled now because also the launcher is seperated and you need at least 3 swipes and one tap to open the phone app...
• Hardware: Don't like the hardware buttons on the left side. Would be a no go for me on a second Jolla Phone.

What I like about the current (mockup of) Sailfish OS 2.0:

• I like it that the lockscreen is seperated now because it was quite useless, besides the pulley menu and the greatly integration of the peek gesture.
• The top 'lock menu' is nice but I hate it because it replaces the best feature of closing apps with one swipe (see above).
• Because the Homescreen is seperated from the launcher it seems that the open active covers are not limited to 9 apps anymore (8 apps on the actual tablet mockup) BUT that is no reason for me to abonden the ability to access the events view from everywhere (see above)
• The events view is moving to the right direction
• Hardware: Love to see stereo speakers and the nice internals

Long story short:

Why is Jolla not just keeping the Sailfish OS Layout like it is now and just seperate the lockscreen and enhance the events view and the homescreen and additionaly concentrates its work to enhance the apps etc.?!
There is no need to redesign the whole OS to just name it Sailfish OS 2.0.

I am really a Jolla fanboy since the announcment in 2011 but now I am worried that Jolla is moving into a direction I am not comfortable with...

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Same here.

I just hope the landscape is not "forced" in the tablet like portrait is now on the phone. Landscape does not interest me that much, since I hardly ever use any phones or tablets in landscape (photos/videos don't count). However, those rare times that I do I feel landscape should be fully supported, too. The split screen feature may change my views about landscape use but that shall be seen later.

This probably bothers me the most. The sliding has been an innovative feature and I would have loved to see the possibility to also up/down slide for more functions, but even if not, 2 is way more useful than one.
The covers + their sliding functions have also often been the most impressing feature while showing the phone use to others.

What I don't really get is how come horizontal swiping is supposed to be such a big problem that it is not possible to keep the sliding action in covers? The way I use the actions even now is hold&slide anyway, not plain swipe like one does while changing views.
(There is also the relatively wide gap between the cover rows that maybe could've been an option to use as the "swipe area" even though not the best idea, I'm sure).

Exactly. Also the new aim&tap for a function is really a big step back from the relaxed cover slide with much bigger area. And I hate it.

This would've been a more preferable choice to the single tap.
Also, there would've been certain appealing symmetry (to me anyway) that when in portrait, slide the covers left/right and when in landscape, slide up/down.

I totally share this hope with you. Speaking of covers, the functionality is already in my muscle memory so I'd hate to start learning to aim & tap instead.

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So is it just me, or is Sailfish 2.0 the only system on the market where notifications are not accessible by a single gesture/tap (from anywhere - i.e. from an app)?

• Sailfish 1.x - swipe from the bottom
• Android - swipe from the top
• iOS - swipe from the top
• Maemo 5 (N900) - tap the top left corner
• Maemo 6 (N9) - tap the status bar
• webOS 1.x, 2.x - tap the notification bar at the bottom
• webOS 3.x (Touchpad) - swipe/tap the notification icon in the status bar
• Blackberry OS 10 - swipe from the bottom and to the right (one gesture)
• Windows Phone - ?? (no idea, haven't seen one in the wild for a good while)

As opposed to:

• Sailfish 2.0 - swipe from a side to the home view and flick to the left. then flick to the right and tap on an app to get back

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Easily solveable.

Inside an app:
swipe from right --> back to home
swipe from left --> back to events

Just like it is already from lock screen in SFOS 2.0