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didnt android finally become stable at ICS, or hell even JB?

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Sailfish is still quite different beast than Maemo or Meego. 2011 is still 8 years behind Android. With fraction of resources available for Android or just about any other platform. But let's not take such little things into account in any way... :)

Conclusion from this is that either there is no way any niche OS can ever succeed in any way just because there are always features x and y missing that someone considers to be basic feature, or that patience is needed. IMO strengthening the Sailfish Alliance is critical on this part because partnerships are the only way to get more resources behind development. Excluding the possibility that Jolla is sold to some NSA/FSB proxy of course.

As for some of features missing, my guess is that after Sailfish 2.0 hits the market and tablets are available for us, development for Sailfish Secure will take higher priority. Such version is aimed more to professional world than to consumer market, so things like better support for mobile device management would be important which should also bring some of the missing features.

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But in that case anyone is behind 'cause Android is still a lot of years behind PalmOS in that regard since PalmOS was already a strong smart(phone) OS before Android came around.

It's never gonna be perfect, guys. Just appreciate whatever work is being done on whatever OS, no matter how small it is, they're doing all that they can and you can't do more than that! :)

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Smartphone like old blackberry? Common...

Most operation system of that time had to be re-written in order to compete with iPhone and Android. Yes iPhone and Android were not finished, but they have different concept. Offered something new, and all features to add just were on the way, while symbian and alike systems had to be rewritten.
Let's say that those days "smartphones" were more feature-full, but it was there limit/end. While iPhone was only begining and it has where to grow. The simple prove is that if Nokia will go Maemo/Meego they would be in top now too.
In other hand Jolla has nothing real innovative. So they have a choice to do something noone did and bring us to new levels or if they are same level as android/iphone(leave the policy and how it written and done behind, the important is the concept and where it goes) they need to compete with them and they can't (they even use Adroid apps instead of own ecosystem). First Android and iPhone didn't try to close gap between old phones, but they tried to innovate and grow own ecosystem, own features and different way of interaction. Btw exactly that's the the reason why technology made huge step in evolution in mobile and we have quad-cores on our hands. But Jolla is just doing the same, but doing it properly in matter of what technology they use behind (though using Linux and developing behind doors and not opening some important parts is not the best direction).

Btw i think actually meego had the potential of innovation and becoming something new, in matter of signle system on everything (car, watch, phone) but they never finished and others already optimized/ported their system to do this (android can run anything today almost out of box, not sure how ios is different on phone vs watch), for example tizen that runs on phone, watch and even on cameras(Samsung has camera with it), or ubuntu that runs on server, desktop, phone, tablet. At least they bring something new. Sure you can tell that Jolla can run anything, but it's not jolla that runs anything, it's Linux and i'm talking not just about core, but about optimized for that purpose system, that is built in mind for that. That's the new direction, at least i think so, as world is going toward wearables and internet of things (whatever it means :P)

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You are «getting off of the stupid "smartphone" merry-go-round myself» because there is no one that can provide you what you want and that's exactly the problem. As tablet is nice thing, it's huge and not that "mobile" in sense of size, you have netbooks and even laptops today with same size/weight, so why would anyone who wants real OS go with tablet, if they can have full computer with same size? The whole point is to have something small and mobile (in a pocket) that can replace it (maybe not fully, but that's why we still have laptops and even desktops)

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Btw, to anyone calling dibs on losing contacts on SailfishOS: don't forget that the same happened with BlackBerry 10.3.1 upgrade for a lot of users. And that's a very well tested upgrade coming from a long-standing company with a core business in the businesses and governments so if even they introduce bugs like that, don't expect those bugs to be not there on something smaller like SOS.

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There was bug with z30 and screen that i'm aware off (though it was postponed and fixed in new one). Haven't heard of contacts, can you link me?

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I don't know about iOS (if the iPhone has native VoIP, I doubt it follows any standards and is compatible to anything outside the Apple bubble), but my Android phones have. I became interested myself and found out that native VoIP was introduced with Gingerbread in December 2010. Symbian had it in those days, too.

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Yes, I do want a pocket-sized device that can fully replace a standard desktop computing machine. A full-size keyboard and monitor will never be conveniently portable; but there's no reason you shouldn't be able to connect a full-size keyboard and monitor to your portable device, when you have them available.

My N900 runs the exact same code editing environment as I use normally on my standard desktop machines, allowing me to transition from desktop to mobile use seamlessly. But it was probably the last handheld device created that actually encourages you to use standard desktop software on it; everything else today has gone to rather incredible lengths to stop you from running anything that hasn't been designed and built specifically for that hardware's brand and operating system. :(

It's all about tying you to an "ecosystem". Apple and Google want to lock you into their ecosystem. Heck, even the folks on this board continually agonize over the Nokia ecosystem and the Jolla ecosystem. Personally, I don't give a flying fig about these "ecosystems"! I've got my own set of software, programs that I've been using for over 20 years now; I don't really care what kind of "apps" are running on a particular device, so long as I can run my own software on it... :)

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It happened on a few BB devices including the Z30 (my mum can attest that - she used to have the Z30, she now has the Passport). My mum and CrackBerry Forums are proof that it happened to some users.

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Used Google and browsed some of the links. Seems that the 10.3.1 was a real nightmare monday release.

These all point to BB support forums:
http://supportforums.blackberry.com/...s/td-p/3062724

http://supportforums.blackberry.com/...c/td-p/3065163

http://supportforums.blackberry.com/...e/td-p/3057576

News in the net about it:
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news...uary-19-658837

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Here is ....https://together.jolla.com/question/...anpaivanjarvi/

...Äijänpäivänjärvi :)

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Yippieh! already running on my device - looking good so far.

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Damn it...my Jolla is collecting dust until sail 2.0...looking forward to the sail 2.0 thread.

Any improvements of copy and paste or form navigation?

Anyway...welcome äjiijapärrvijjärviijojonen. Thx jolla. May the code be with you!

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How is the battery consumption?

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Unchanged.

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My download fails after about 10% download and Jolla reboots. Tried numerous times to same effect. Plugged into charger and battery at 50%

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Got it working! The only change I made was top clear notifications first. Not sure if that is related or just a coincidence.

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Enough free storage space (on the phone, not SD)?

a) Write "df -h" in xterm, 14G partition should have quite a bit available space.
or b) About product in settings shows used vs. total, SD excluded.
or c) Storage inspector shows SD + phone storage by default in full screen, but the smaller window in task menu show phone memory.

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btrfs so should check with something like btrfs fi df /
df often lies due to the way btrfs works.

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usually you need this https://together.jolla.com/question/...ious-problems/

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Phone was working for a few days but now just the white Jolla on a black screen and it hangs like that. No amount of re-booting or battery pulling will get it further.

Time to reset btrfs me thinks.