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seiichiro0185 2016-06-17 15:17
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMavica (Post 1507766)
Anyone tried ssu re 2.0.2.43 in Jolla 1,and success update?
Just did on my tablet, worked fine ;)

JiiHoo 2016-06-17 15:29
Re: Jolla C
 
One interview (again in Finnish) from the event:

http://www.digitoday.fi/bisnes/2016/...ta/20166594/66

eekkelund 2016-06-17 15:35
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMavica (Post 1507766)
Anyone tried ssu re 2.0.2.43 in Jolla 1,and success update?
Yes works well. http://i.imgur.com/62ZEwc7.png

cvp 2016-06-17 15:45
Re: Jolla C
 
@seiichiro0185
@eekkelund
Very cool! Thanks for the try and info.

pichlo 2016-06-17 15:49
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMavica (Post 1507766)
Anyone tried ssu re 2.0.2.43 in Jolla 1,and success update?
Just out of interest:

Code:
[root@Dinghy nemo]# ssu re
Device release is currently: latest
[root@Dinghy nemo]#
Hmm...

Code:
[root@Dinghy nemo]# ssu re 2.0.2.43
Device release is currently: 2.0.2.43
[root@Dinghy nemo]# ssu up
Device is not registered, can't update credentials
[root@Dinghy nemo]#
Oh dear!

Code:
[root@Dinghy nemo]# ssu re 2.0.1.11
Device release is currently: 2.0.1.11
[root@Dinghy nemo]# ssu up
Device is not registered, can't update credentials
[root@Dinghy nemo]#
What does that mean? :confused:

TMavica 2016-06-17 15:50
Re: Jolla C
 
Currently downloading 2.0.2.45
version dup now

eekkelund 2016-06-17 15:54
Re: Jolla C
 
@pichlo
replace ssu up with version --dup

pasko 2016-06-17 15:55
Re: Jolla C
 
Hi.
Any hints about CE compliance, as discussed previously :) :)
Regards

romu 2016-06-17 15:59
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1507759)
... again I have rather big hands...
That's the point. I've small hands, got back to a iPhone 5S for few days now, the difference in hands is nothing but amazing!

nodevel 2016-06-17 16:09
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JiiHoo (Post 1507774)
One interview (again in Finnish) from the event:

http://www.digitoday.fi/bisnes/2016/...ta/20166594/66
Thanks.

Reading it through Google Translate feels like reading an adventure novel set in the Wild West.

Quote:
Now I myself have a very confident feeling about this. Now, but it requires effort and results, says small hill.
Quote:
We are a small independent company, we are a big corporation.
Quote:
A small hill is silent on the Functioning of the check.
Quote:
...sees a further competitive advantages, which are bigger competitor has Dinghy w outboard motor.
Either a dinghy is on a small hill, or Small Hill is in a dinghy, got it ;)

pichlo 2016-06-17 16:54
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eekkelund (Post 1507779)
@pichlo
replace ssu up with version --dup
Yes, of course! :o
Thanks!

late88 2016-06-17 17:30
Re: Jolla C
 
Another article by digitoday (in Finnish) http://www.digitoday.fi/mobiili/2016...in/20166599/66

The C in the name stands for community. At first it was D as a developer but Jolla decided to change it to C because of wider user base than just developers.

Edit: there was also a little note about the turing phone:

-it wasn't allowed to take pictures of it
-the screen is about 5" or a bit bigger
-it has rough edges (just a pre-production model)
-fingerprint sensor is on the side
-the phone colours are mainly red and white

Feathers McGraw 2016-06-17 19:23
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1507771)
there are these, not sure which is the correct one:
Code:
[nemo@Sailfish ~]$ cd /sys/class/leds/
button-backlight/ flashlight/      lcd-backlight/    torch-light0/
[nemo@Sailfish ~]$ cd /sys/class/leds/torch-light0/
[nemo@Sailfish torch-light0]$ ls
brightness  device  max_brightness  power  subsystem  trigger  uevent
[nemo@Sailfish torch-light0]$ cd ../flashlight
[nemo@Sailfish flashlight]$ ls
brightness  device  max_brightness  power  subsystem  trigger  uevent
[nemo@Sailfish flashlight]$
Thank you for this. Interesting too, I can't imagine what the difference between "torch-light0" and "flashlight" is.

Can you do a ls- l on both of those directories please? On the other devices, the control file is world readable and writable. If it's obvious which one is which, you could try turning the torch on and off manually, e.g. to turn it on

Code:
echo 1 > /sys/class/leds/torch-light0/brightness
And to turn it off:

Code:
echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/torch-light0/brightness
I have some other changes to package, so if we can figure this out tonight I should be able to provide a working flashlight app pretty much straight away.

itdoesntmatt 2016-06-17 19:35
Re: Jolla C
 
Comparing display of jolla c with the old jolla's one and with nexus5's one..what can you say?
I hope that display of this C is much more better (and not just a bit) than the old one. I would consider the nexus5 display quality as a minimum standard,nowadays.

nh1402 2016-06-17 19:48
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by itdoesntmatt (Post 1507787)
Comparing display of jolla c with the old jolla's one and with nexus5's one..what can you say?
I hope that display of this C is much more better (and not just a bit) than the old one. I would consider the nexus5 display quality as a minimum standard,nowadays.
You do realise the Jolla C has a 720p screen whereas the nexus 5 has a 1080p one.

nodevel 2016-06-17 20:49
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1507788)
You do realise the Jolla C has a 720p screen whereas the nexus 5 has a 1080p one.
I'm not sure if he does, but for me the pixel/size ratio of the original Jolla is fine (960x540 with 4,5"), so the 720p resolution with bigger display seems just about right, resolution-wise.

But that's just because my mindset is that more pixels != better display.

Readability is what makes it or breaks it for me - I had my Jolla on the lowest brightness most of the time, even outside, but the little time when the sun was too bright, would be most annoying. Also the lowest setting still seemed bit too bright for night use, so I'd be happy if Jolla C had broader range - dimmer than Jolla (1) on the lowest setting and brighter on the highest one.

itdoesntmatt 2016-06-17 21:33
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1507788)
You do realise the Jolla C has a 720p screen whereas the nexus 5 has a 1080p one.
Never talked about resolution, did i?..i am not that much into it. I think there are a lot of things to be considered other than resolution when we are discussing about quality of a display. For example i am not satisfied from readibility,brightness and colours of first jolla's display.

nh1402 2016-06-17 21:43
Re: Jolla C
 
I understand that, but I have a nexus 5 and I find the quality to be pretty good for the price especially after I RMA'd it when I first got it as it had dead pixels and terrible backlight bleed, and the replacement does not have those things. Its especially good if you're not comparing it to anything.

The nexus 5 is like the Nissan GTR, it's variable whether you get one with a good display or not. (Nissan GTR having a hand built engine which varied in HP)

Come to think of it my Xperia Ray had more vibrant colours than the nexus 5, so I see where you're coming from.

itdoesntmatt 2016-06-17 21:48
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1507791)
I understand that, but I have a nexus 5 and I find the quality to be pretty good for the price especially after I RMA'd it when I first got it as it had dead pixels and terrible backlight bleed, and the replacement does not have those things. Its especially good if you're not comparing it to anything.

The nexus 5 is like the Nissan GTR, it's variable whether you get one with a good display or not. (Nissan GTR having a hand built engine which varied in HP)
Comparison is the only way to communicate when we are talking about good-bad but with our personal different standards.
Maybe i took a wrong model cause display of nexus5 as you said does change dramatically depending from batch

pichlo 2016-06-17 22:56
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eekkelund (Post 1507775)
Interesting. Following your correction my update downloaded and installed a lot of stuff, rebooted, and now ssu re says 2.0.2.43 but About product in Settings says 2.0.1.11. Huh?

Bundyo 2016-06-18 05:14
Re: Jolla C
 
There's now "Show reboot option in top menu" in Developer Mode in Settings ;)

All related patches don't work.

cvp 2016-06-18 06:14
Re: Jolla C
 
Butit dowsnt show more Options ins pulldown menü, only i you push the on/off button, than you have a second option for restart :)

Bundyo 2016-06-18 16:24
Re: Jolla C
 
Yep, I didn't expect it in the other one anyway ;)

Saturn 2016-06-18 18:32
Re: Jolla C
 
So I make tha same question here too:
could someone report if the android version in Jolla C got a bump too?

Code:
grep 'version.release\|model' /opt/alien/system/build.prop

abranson 2016-06-19 07:41
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saturn (Post 1507852)
So I make tha same question here too:
could someone report if the android version in Jolla C got a bump too?

Code:
grep 'version.release\|model' /opt/alien/system/build.prop
I'm told it's 4.4.4

pycage 2016-06-19 09:27
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abranson (Post 1507866)
I'm told it's 4.4.4
I can confirm it's 4.4.4 on my device.

pycage 2016-06-19 09:37
Re: Jolla C
 
I don't know if it has alread been mentioned, but the Jolla C has a built-in FM receiver and the Jolla media player can tune into FM radio, including display of RDS information.

pichlo 2016-06-19 12:56
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1507877)
I don't know if it has alread been mentioned, but the Jolla C has a built-in FM receiver and the Jolla media player can tune into FM radio, including display of RDS information.
Now you are telling me. After I already decided I did not want it due to the screen size. If you tell me it also has an FM transmitter then I will definitely smack myself ;)

ejjoman 2016-06-19 13:35
Re: Jolla C
 
It's a really nice device so far. The screen is perfect, just a little too big :D
The readability is much better in the sun compared to the Jolla 1, as far as I can tell, because currently there is not much sun here in Helsinki :(
The only thing that's missing for me currently is the compass sensor... I didn't realize it does not have it until I wanted to navigate somewhere... but I think I can live with that :)

And to answer the question about the CE certification: It actually has this certification, at least the CE logo is printed on the label in the battery slot.

Gesendet von meinem Jolla C mit Tapatalk

anidel 2016-06-19 16:26
Re: Jolla C
 
Swapped back to Jolla 1 until I receive my Jolla C.
Also trying to stick with the Jolla Tablet instead of the iPad for the time being as well. Tablet is quite good actually, just battery life is nothing compared to iPad.

sponka 2016-06-19 19:14
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ejjoman (Post 1507901)
It's a really nice device so far. The screen is perfect, just a little too big :D
The readability is much better in the sun compared to the Jolla 1, as far as I can tell, because currently there is not much sun here in Helsinki :(
The only thing that's missing for me currently is the compass sensor... I didn't realize it does not have it until I wanted to navigate somewhere... but I think I can live with that :)

And to answer the question about the CE certification: It actually has this certification, at least the CE logo is printed on the label in the battery slot.

Gesendet von meinem Jolla C mit Tapatalk
No navigation possible at all? I use Jolla(1) for geocaching and was hoping to use C, too :/

pycage 2016-06-19 20:23
Re: Jolla C
 
GPS does work. Tested it with maep. Jolla maps seems to be gone and is not available in the store.

ejjoman 2016-06-19 21:23
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sponka (Post 1507937)
No navigation possible at all? I use Jolla(1) for geocaching and was hoping to use C, too :/
Positioning (GPS) works just fine, it's just that maps don't rotate with your direction.

Gesendet von meinem Jolla C mit Tapatalk

abranson 2016-06-19 21:57
Re: Jolla C
 
Is there no compass sensor present, or is it just not working yet?

The duck was not convinced either way.

ejjoman 2016-06-20 11:23
Re: Jolla C
 
According to the specs there does not seem to be a compass sensor, but than again there should not be an FM receiver, too.
But the spec sheet of Jolla 1 lists the compass sensor... So I think it is not even available on the C.

If you look a bit deeper, you can see that the C is cheaper on some ends. E.g. the notification LED seems to be white only and is either ON or OFF, so no pulse animation is available there.

On the other hand it feels much better than the Jolla 1 as it feels lighter and it does not rattle if you shake it (the hardware buttons do not move).

Gesendet von meinem Jolla C mit Tapatalk

Bubbless 2016-06-20 12:00
Re: Jolla C
 
Anyone else dislike the new android runtime 'pop' sound that's in every android app now? Not only is it annoying, it crackles and makes loud popping sounds from time to time. How do I get rid of it?

Bubbless 2016-06-20 12:04
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1507955)
GPS does work. Tested it with maep. Jolla maps seems to be gone and is not available in the store.
It still works in Jolla C, though. :)

lantern 2016-06-20 13:55
Re: Jolla C
 
Could anybody make a comparison photos of C next to android phone they have? Also, there're no good youtube reviews yet...

szopin 2016-06-20 15:24
Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw (Post 1507786)
Thank you for this. Interesting too, I can't imagine what the difference between "torch-light0" and "flashlight" is.

Can you do a ls- l on both of those directories please? On the other devices, the control file is world readable and writable. If it's obvious which one is which, you could try turning the torch on and off manually, e.g. to turn it on

Code:
echo 1 > /sys/class/leds/torch-light0/brightness
And to turn it off:

Code:
echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/torch-light0/brightness
I have some other changes to package, so if we can figure this out tonight I should be able to provide a working flashlight app pretty much straight away.
There is a flashlight shortcut in settings, first results with it off, second with on:
Quote:
nemo@Sailfish ~]$ cat /sys/class/leds/flashlight/brightness
0
[nemo@Sailfish ~]$ cat /sys/class/leds/torch-light0/brightness
0
[nemo@Sailfish ~]$ cat /sys/class/leds/torch-light0/brightness
0
[nemo@Sailfish ~]$ cat /sys/class/leds/flashlight/brightness
127
[nemo@Sailfish ~]$
Compass is gone from CSD (same code as before works *#*#310#*#*, running from term complains about xdg_runtime and fails to start display). Twice already lost mobile network connection and had to re-airplane-mode it (toggle greyed out, starting from options did not work). The extra length makes a huge difference in fingerterm, and also a bit of relearning is needed for pulley menus, at first was releasing too soon

MrBlueSky 2016-06-20 16:56
Re: Jolla C
 
Is it now possible to use Bluetooth (LE) in Android applications?


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