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mikecomputing 2013-05-11 16:32
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingstu (Post 1342862)
There are so many android apps out there that it is not feasible to expect all the developers to write them for Sailfish. At least with being able to sideload then the apps that might be useful will still be available. I am thinking of banking apps and more local apps where sometimes just being able to use it even if it isn't the best is still useful. Some people may never need to use any android apps. Some people will never need to use developer mode. But it's nice to have that option should one desire it.
Talk about "bank apps" makes me pissed. Thats a mess even on desktop computers mostly because of the stupid decisions made by the stupid *****s at the banks!

Bank apps SHALL NOT depend on any platform! They MUST use webbrowser and HTML no freaking apps should be needed for such stuff!

Its just plain stupidness both for the banks and for the users!
In sweden we have a clientapplication (yes on desktop computer :mad: to authenticate to the bank. And its a real MESS on the desktop and it took YEARS to even get support for MacOSX and Linux and still its make me pissed every time I use that ridiculous piece of junk!

don_falcone 2013-05-11 16:44
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
...when are you NOT pissed/ranting? (while i agree on the accessibility issue)

Hacker 2013-05-11 18:05
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1342859)
So what? Send a message to the lazy coders at those companys who does not provide support. Or realize facts that Sailfish small platform means less apps == not for those who want 100% support of all apps.

Btw. edited my post to make my point a bit more clear.
Simply calling up lazy devs and asking them to port apps to Sailfish OS will not work. That much has been shown time and time again. The goal should be to make the first Sailfish device as useful and as satisfying as possible. THIS MEANS QUALITY APP SUPPORT.

Gaining access to Android apps provides the results of millions of man-hours of development work and all the utility that comes with it. Can Sailfish afford to turn its back on that kind of value? Plus, motivated devs can still code in native Sailfish, should they choose.

What would be nice is if Jolla could figure a way to let the device owner configure the active cover's functions for those non-native apps. That, plus solid performance and custom swipe gestures to navigate and interact with apps, and I'd be very interested.

Dave999 2013-05-11 18:31
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
You are all looking at this the wrong way. Focus on how YOU would like to use the device, with or without android.

Take what you want and ignore the rest please.

aironeous 2013-05-11 19:46
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So now we are arguing about whether or not having android apps is good for sailfish.
Well I can tell you that there are quite a few apps I need that are not on my N9, but they are on android.

Bankofamerica app would be great because right now it takes me more than 5 minutes to log on and find my balance using firefox.
Firefox is my only option because it has flash and many of the interactive elements of websites use flash and I can't sit there and run around making a list of all the websites that do and don't use flash I just need it to work. If someone is asking me if I can afford something I would very very much want to have a BofA app so I can answer in less than 2 minutes not almost 10 minutes like it is now using FF on my N9.

Those "turn your car into a cab" apps. Now that my car is broke I may need a quick way to find a ride.
Gigwalk
Train and bus scheduling apps

Firefox on N9 is super slow, almost everything that can replace having to go to the website and use firefox is a good app for me.
I imagine a sailfish phone will be similar. Unless they can get flash plus qt browser together on the sailfish phone without lots of funny bugs then I will be wanting to install the android browser dolphin and flash for android.

I'm so tired of people saying we don't need flash and then 90+% of websites I go to on my phone because I NEED TO use flash.
Logging into my previous employment agency website to see my last paycheck BECAUSE I HAVE TO so I can fill out some form, ordering a pizza, CNN, HULU, youtube, every other video and animation, everything uses flash so you can't tell me "no I can't have it" because that means I won't buy the sailfish phone.

I'm not a developer, I don't care if you think flash is sh**ty, I need stuff to work. Someone asks me a question, I need some info from a previous employer, I need to look something up, I don't have 10 minutes and the patience for the N9 that takes 6 seconds to rotate respond and minutes to load a page on 3 bars of 2.5g on FF.

I need to know quickly is Ironman playing tonight down the street, is this girls favorite coffee drink at the starbucks around the corner, can I apply for a job at this companies website using my phone, does this shop have the type of wood I need, can I quickly log on to my vons account and load the shopping specials and coupons before I go into the store because I just realized I forgot to, I DON'T HAVE 3 MINUTES TO WAIT FOR EACH PAGE TO LOAD I CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE LIKE THAT WHO CAN LIVE LIKE THAT?

Sailfish with no flash=no buy for me
The only chance you have is if there are lots of android apps that I know can take the place of the website or I can see that I can install flash for android and something like dolphin browser.

The only times I use the N9 stock browser is for websites like this, forums where I know for sure don't need flash but even then someone posts a link to a video that I want to see that is in flash I have to copy and paste into firefox, super annoying.

My phone is supposed to be a tool that works. Not something that is so low performance that it constantly defies my expecatations of when it will load a page and then springs the surprise on me of putting something else right under my finger the millisecond before it hits the screen because my patience has ran out sending me off to somewhere else adding even more time to what I was trying to do making me want to crush my N9 in a vice.

The more apps available for me on this sailfish phone the better. If there is no flash natively then I will have to be able to load lots of android apps that replace the websites that I HAVE TO visit.
If the sailfish phone has a qt browser with flash then I am less concerned about the android apps but still there are lots of consumption based apps on android like netflix that I know I will want to have.

don_falcone 2013-05-11 20:21
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
...finally someone with real-world requirements telling. Good! The part following "My phone is supposed to..." kept me smiling, because i can tell how that feeling/suffering was from the last 2,5 years i truly needed something to work, And work as in right NOW.

Artyom 2013-05-11 20:44
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1342901)
So now we are arguing about whether or not having android apps is good for sailfish.
Well I can tell you that there are quite a few apps I need that are not on my N9, but they are on android.

Bankofamerica app would be great because right now it takes me more than 5 minutes to log on and find my balance using firefox.
Firefox is my only option because it has flash and many of the interactive elements of websites use flash and I can't sit there and run around making a list of all the websites that do and don't use flash I just need it to work. If someone is asking me if I can afford something I would very very much want to have a BofA app so I can answer in less than 2 minutes not almost 10 minutes like it is now using FF on my N9.

Those "turn your car into a cab" apps. Now that my car is broke I may need a quick way to find a ride.
Gigwalk
Train and bus scheduling apps

Firefox on N9 is super slow, almost everything that can replace having to go to the website and use firefox is a good app for me.
I imagine a sailfish phone will be similar. Unless they can get flash plus qt browser together on the sailfish phone without lots of funny bugs then I will be wanting to install the android browser dolphin and flash for android.

I'm so tired of people saying we don't need flash and then 90+% of websites I go to on my phone because I NEED TO use flash.
Logging into my previous employment agency website to see my last paycheck BECAUSE I HAVE TO so I can fill out some form, ordering a pizza, CNN, HULU, youtube, every other video and animation, everything uses flash so you can't tell me "no I can't have it" because that means I won't buy the sailfish phone.

I'm not a developer, I don't care if you think flash is sh**ty, I need stuff to work. Someone asks me a question, I need some info from a previous employer, I need to look something up, I don't have 10 minutes and the patience for the N9 that takes 6 seconds to rotate respond and minutes to load a page on 3 bars of 2.5g on FF.

I need to know quickly is Ironman playing tonight down the street, is this girls favorite coffee drink at the starbucks around the corner, can I apply for a job at this companies website using my phone, does this shop have the type of wood I need, can I quickly log on to my vons account and load the shopping specials and coupons before I go into the store because I just realized I forgot to, I DON'T HAVE 3 MINUTES TO WAIT FOR EACH PAGE TO LOAD I CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE LIKE THAT WHO CAN LIVE LIKE THAT?

Sailfish with no flash=no buy for me
The only chance you have is if there are lots of android apps that I know can take the place of the website or I can see that I can install flash for android and something like dolphin browser.

The only times I use the N9 stock browser is for websites like this, forums where I know for sure don't need flash but even then someone posts a link to a video that I want to see that is in flash I have to copy and paste into firefox, super annoying.

My phone is supposed to be a tool that works. Not something that is so low performance that it constantly defies my expecatations of when it will load a page and then springs the surprise on me of putting something else right under my finger the millisecond before it hits the screen because my patience has ran out sending me off to somewhere else adding even more time to what I was trying to do making me want to crush my N9 in a vice.

The more apps available for me on this sailfish phone the better. If there is no flash natively then I will have to be able to load lots of android apps that replace the websites that I HAVE TO visit.
If the sailfish phone has a qt browser with flash then I am less concerned about the android apps but still there are lots of consumption based apps on android like netflix that I know I will want to have.
have you tried an iphone or an android device? cause those will fulfil all your wishes above.
but sailfish won't fulfill all of them at the moment.

edit: there is still a possibility for flash with QmlMozBrowser.

onethreealpha 2013-05-11 20:48
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1342901)
So now we are arguing about whether or not having android apps is good for sailfish.
Well..... some might be.
It seems as valid a topic of conversation around Jolla/Sailfish as any other, given that android application useability has been raised as existent on the platform.

I for one don't care, and as I stated earlier, there were no "killer" apps that I truly missed on my N9. the only one I would have enjoyed having would have been Skype, and that only for being able to say hi to my two small kids, face to face when away.

That and the crippled wifi hotspot were (and still are) the only two major issues for me.

I can, however feel your pain with slow load/render times on the browser.

With only several days to go before #jollaloveday I guess we'll have most of the answers soon enough.

Morpog 2013-05-11 21:01
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Upcoming (september) Oppo Find would be great as Jolla Device :)
http://news.mydrivers.com/1/262/262892.htm
  • No front buttons
  • Snapdragon 800
  • 2GB RAM
  • 5" Display
  • 1920x1080 resolution
  • 13 Megapixel cam
  • Bluetooth 4.0
  • Wi-Fi b/g/n
  • NFC

http://news.mydrivers.com/img/201305...aa2240280b.jpg

Morpog 2013-05-11 22:07
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http://abload.de/img/jolladay8rguam.png


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