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delmar 2016-02-11 13:22
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Ubuntu tablet
http://www.cnet.com/products/bq-aqua...buntu-edition/

zenecho 2016-02-11 14:24
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by delmar (Post 1498499)
Interesting, though It looks under powered and lacks proper specs, and sadly my heart still wants a Jolla Tablet :(

napaDokc 2016-02-11 14:34
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1498500)
Interesting, though It looks under powered and lacks proper specs, and sadly my heart still wants a Jolla Tablet :(
why don't you get one from Taobao? TJC poster says it works.

zenecho 2016-02-11 15:27
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by napaDokc (Post 1498501)
why don't you get one from Taobao? TJC poster says it works.
I dont seem to be able to get through the Chinese :(

rcolistete 2016-02-11 15:55
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1498504)
I dont seem to be able to get through the Chinese :(
No need to know chinese, see this TJC comment :
https://together.jolla.com/question/...post-id-128851

Dave999 2016-02-11 15:59
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Will be intresting to see if Ubuntu have the skill to deliver tablet or if they doing a jolla.

handaxe 2016-02-11 16:08
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1498506)
Will be intresting to see if Ubuntu have the skill to deliver tablet or if they doing a jolla.
Major difference : BQ is doing the tablet and Canonical the OS. They successfully delivered 2 phones in partnership. Different universe to Jolla, although the OS is not as polished as is Sailfish.

Dave999 2016-02-11 16:16
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by handaxe (Post 1498508)
Major difference : BQ is doing the tablet and Canonical the OS. They successfully delivered 2 phones in partnership. Different universe to Jolla, although the OS is not as polished as is Sailfish.
Jolla had a tablet and a OS. Canonical got a tablet and a OS. Same universe. Different OS.

Jolla deliver a Phone. Ubuntu deliver phone. Same universe different OS.

billranton 2016-02-11 16:23
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by handaxe (Post 1498508)
Major difference : BQ is doing the tablet and Canonical the OS. They successfully delivered 2 phones in partnership. Different universe to Jolla, although the OS is not as polished as is Sailfish.
I really hope Jolla get an equivalent to BQ. Sailfish is far more mature than Ubuntu Touch, and deserves to be showcased on some decent hardware that doesn't let its batteries and sim cards fall out or end up in Dave's lockup in Peckham.

Dave999 2016-02-11 16:27
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1498510)
I really hope Jolla get an equivalent to BQ. Sailfish is far more mature than Ubuntu Touch, and deserves to be showcased on some decent hardware that doesn't let its batteries and sim cards fall out or end up in Dave's lockup in Peckham.
You dont get a HWpartner...you have to deserve One...

Would Love to see a HW partner for jolla but even so its still possible to **** up...

Intex have tablets. Do they Trust jolla?

rcolistete 2016-02-11 16:41
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
#mer-meeting: SailfishOS, open source, collaboration: 11-Feb-2016 @ 14:30 UTC
Quote:
3 - Status update from Jolla (tablets, financing, resourcing, etc.) - Jolla + community (10 min) (cybette, 14:36:00)
please address the subject of the tablet situation (delivery to backers, taobao situation) - Also, what about additional perks - e.g. 64GB upgrades - and $20 USD delivery fee that we were asked to add to the tablet contributions? Are those included in the current theoritical refund plan? (cybette, 14:36:06)
Refund program for Jolla tablet is not a trivial task as there is no ready solution available. Jolla has been working super hard on it with good progress, and is starting to send instructions etc. to contributors. (cybette, 14:39:20)
All the perks (64GB upgrades, delivery fee etc.) will be included in the refund program (cybette, 14:40:00)
Regarding Jolla Tablets on Taobao, according to Jolla's knowledge there would have been a few hundred devices on sale there, but the sellers indicate there are more devices. Jolla is still investingating this. (cybette, 14:41:56)
There are both 64GB and 32GB tablets in the batch of 540, but no exact figures of each. (cybette, 14:42:59)
It should not take long for the shipping of remaining 540 tablets, although no exact date yet. Please also refer to FAQ in latest blog post for other questions. (cybette, 14:45:38)

nieldk 2016-02-11 16:54
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1498514)
In other words

"Soon"

Dave999 2016-02-11 16:59
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
link. Is dead. It's a scam.

LouisDK 2016-02-11 17:20
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1498516)
link. Is dead. It's a scam.
Calm down buddy.

http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-m...-11-14.30.html

Dave999 2016-02-11 18:07
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"Refund program for Jolla tablet is not a trivial task as there is no ready solution available. Jolla has been working super hard on it with good progress, and is starting to send instructions etc. to contributors."

So refunds instructions are out or any day now?

If so, very good.

ZogG 2016-02-11 18:11
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by handaxe (Post 1498508)
Major difference : BQ is doing the tablet and Canonical the OS. They successfully delivered 2 phones in partnership. Different universe to Jolla, although the OS is not as polished as is Sailfish.
Quote:
Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1498510)
I really hope Jolla get an equivalent to BQ. Sailfish is far more mature than Ubuntu Touch, and deserves to be showcased on some decent hardware that doesn't let its batteries and sim cards fall out or end up in Dave's lockup in Peckham.
Can you explain how you measure which one is more mature and polish?

zenecho 2016-02-11 18:22
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1498505)
No need to know chinese, see this TJC comment :
https://together.jolla.com/question/...post-id-128851
well I had to go back and forth as it seemed to clear my basket after each update. But it nows says ordered!

I guess I have to pay taxes, postage and all that once it arrives at their warehouse.

Lets wait and see if I've just be scammed for £150 lol

napaDokc 2016-02-11 18:27
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1498522)
well I had to go back and forth as it seemed to clear my basket after each update. But it nows says ordered!

I guess I have to pay taxes, postage and all that once it arrives at their warehouse.

Lets wait and see if I've just be scammed for £150 lol
did you get Sailfish (more expensive) version or you want to 'fix' it yourself, following the guides?

mikecomputing 2016-02-11 19:17
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1498362)
I guess it's a screenshot from the Jolla tablet running Sailfish ?
No it is a tablet running windows on a Jolla tablet

meemorph 2016-02-11 20:11
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1498515)
In other words

"Soon"
surprised again

Dave999 2016-02-11 20:28
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Count the number of soon's here. Atleast this soon is sooner the earlier soon.

http://merproject.org/logs/%23mer-me...02-11.log.html

It's nice to see Jolla participate here.

Dave999 2016-02-11 20:55
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1498522)
well I had to go back and forth as it seemed to clear my basket after each update. But it nows says ordered!

I guess I have to pay taxes, postage and all that once it arrives at their warehouse.

Lets wait and see if I've just be scammed for £150 lol
$212.79 Products fee: $32.01 International shipping: $21.28 Service fee: $1.31 Customs Fee: $8.02 Insurance Fee: $0 Storage Fee: $ --- Coupons Fee:

Why did Jolla charge like 40-50 euro in tax?

rcolistete 2016-02-11 20:56
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1498516)
link. Is dead. It's a scam.
Sorry, fixed it now.

pichlo 2016-02-11 21:38
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1498543)
$212.79 Products fee: $32.01 International shipping: $21.28 Service fee: $1.31 Customs Fee: $8.02 Insurance Fee: $0 Storage Fee: $ --- Coupons Fee:

Why did Jolla charge like 40-50 euro in tax?
$212 = €187
I forgot what the VAT is in Finland but 25% does not sound too far off...
0.25 * €187 = €46.75

MINKIN2 2016-02-11 22:16
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by delmar (Post 1498499)
LOL @ those comments:

Not enough RAM, Needs to be 4gb to run Chrome



gerbick 2016-02-11 22:30
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1498554)
LOL @ those comments:

Not enough RAM, Needs to be 4gb to run Chrome
I'd say this is more factual than we'd rather acknowledge.

mscion 2016-02-11 22:41
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Ok. Call me crazy. I have a friend here who has a Chinese friend who ordered one for me from a Taobao seller. Because of Chinese New Year he will not get it until next Wednesday. Once he receives it he will send me pictures of it. Maybe video. If it is the real McCoy he will send it to me. If not he can send it back for reimbursement...

gerbick 2016-02-11 22:50
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1498557)
Ok. Call me crazy. I have a friend here who has a Chinese friend who ordered one for me from a Taobao seller. Because of Chinese New Year he will not get it until next Wednesday. Once he receives it he will send me pictures of it. Maybe video. If it is the real McCoy he will send it to me. If not he can send it back for reimbursement...
Yep. The Chinese New Year slowed down my order as well. Luck to you man, hope you get the real deal.

aegis 2016-02-12 11:02
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1498549)
$212 = €187
I forgot what the VAT is in Finland but 25% does not sound too far off...
0.25 * €187 = €46.75
24% but if it was an internal EU purchase it should be 0% for business purchases. I don't think Jolla take it off at source though so the hassle of claiming it back from Finland is a pain.

If it's coming from China you might get stung for import duty, shipping and then VAT on top of everything.

prometheus 2016-02-12 11:17
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1498543)
$212.79 Products fee: $32.01 International shipping: $21.28 Service fee: $1.31 Customs Fee: $8.02 Insurance Fee: $0 Storage Fee: $ --- Coupons Fee:

Why did Jolla charge like 40-50 euro in tax?
Hi Dave999, you asked me to inform you about my chargeback with Amex. Well I've got all my money back in full. They can try to issue chargeback reversal, but since I have provided enough evidence regarding Jolla, their intention, their claims, how they've spent that money, their official statements how they are not able to produce tablets, and of course that I haven't received a tablet yet, I truly doubt they will get reversal back.

Cheers.

zenecho 2016-02-12 11:33
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by napaDokc (Post 1498524)
did you get Sailfish (more expensive) version or you want to 'fix' it yourself, following the guides?
Yes I went for the more expensive "Jolla" option

My reasoning went -

I need a mobile device to read PDFs more and more at home and at work.

I need the extra screen size from a tablet due to my poor eyesight . I have a N900 that I cant really read unaided. The Jolla phone works well, but is just too small for serious use ie following manuals in pdf.

I was excited about the Ubuntu Tablet, but was very disappointed by the specs.

Then I thought the Jolla Tablet specs were good, why not just buy one.

If and I guess "if" it arrives is teh big one -

If it arrives as an android device, it has a large screen - that will be fine.

If its the right model I can flash it back to Sailfish - that will be excellent

- That does assume there is a Tablet pdf viewer <g>


I get all the fun of buying stuff through crazy chinese sites, think of the happiness if something actually turns up!. Then there is all the work trying to flash it - or not


Thats hours of fun, even before I start using it.

WIN,WIN, WIN


The only real downside is that my partner is going to be REALLY P****** OFF if I get a Jolla tablet. As she also ordered one, and is going to be very jealous :)

Dave999 2016-02-12 12:23
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by prometheus (Post 1498581)
Hi Dave999, you asked me to inform you about my chargeback with Amex. Well I've got all my money back in full. They can try to issue chargeback reversal, but since I have provided enough evidence regarding Jolla, their intention, their claims, how they've spent that money, their official statements how they are not able to produce tablets, and of course that I haven't received a tablet yet, I truly doubt they will get reversal back.

Cheers.
Thank you. You going for ubuntu tablet? Or safe bets like android/iOS?

I think I leave it up to jolla to pay me back. Do they want customers or not. We Will see.

vitaminj 2016-02-12 13:09
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by prometheus (Post 1498581)
Hi Dave999, you asked me to inform you about my chargeback with Amex. Well I've got all my money back in full. They can try to issue chargeback reversal, but since I have provided enough evidence regarding Jolla, their intention, their claims, how they've spent that money, their official statements how they are not able to produce tablets, and of course that I haven't received a tablet yet, I truly doubt they will get reversal back.
Congratulations, your horribly selfish and disingenuous actions were successful.

ZogG 2016-02-12 13:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaminj (Post 1498595)
Congratulations, your horribly selfish and disingenuous actions were successful.
Maybe the way he communicated them were not the best, bit how is getting his money he paid for product he never received are selfish?

prometheus 2016-02-12 13:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaminj (Post 1498595)
Congratulations, your horribly selfish and disingenuous actions were successful.
Wow, you are really special... You are calling me selfish? You trully have an issue man. Before you start to point finger and call people selfish, maybe you should read Indiegogo terms of use. I know that Jolla definitely should.

Then again, when I see that you are from London England, I am not surprised about your comments.

prometheus 2016-02-12 13:30
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1498592)
:D

Thank you. You going for ubuntu tablet? Or safe bets like android/iOS?

I think I leave it up to jolla to pay me back. Do they want customers or not. We Will see.
No idea, I haven't thought about it. I might go for Ubuntu, but then again, Android and Windows are also cool. I know one thing, that I will never use Jolla product, ever...

elastic 2016-02-12 14:51
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Quote:
Android and Windows are also cool.
They are? :eek: btw what makes a device "cool" sunglasses?

Quote:
Then again, when I see that you are from London England, I am not surprised about your comments.
:confused: what does that mean now?

heavyt 2016-02-12 15:00
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by prometheus (Post 1498581)
Hi Dave999, you asked me to inform you about my chargeback with Amex. Well I've got all my money back in full. They can try to issue chargeback reversal, but since I have provided enough evidence regarding Jolla, their intention, their claims, how they've spent that money, their official statements how they are not able to produce tablets, and of course that I haven't received a tablet yet, I truly doubt they will get reversal back.

Cheers.
Congratulations on getting your money refund could you please tell me which document you sent I also charge the tablet to American Express.

gerbick 2016-02-12 15:13
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heavyt (Post 1498608)
Congratulations on getting your money refund could you please tell me which document you sent I also charge the tablet to American Express.
American Express are pretty darn good about siding on your favor if you state when you paid, what you expected, what was/was not delivered and if you can point to any information that corroborates your story, they'll tend to fight/side with you. I like that about them.

Perhaps a DM between yourself and Prometheus to sort out those details would be to your benefit.

m4r0v3r 2016-02-12 15:47
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1498609)
American Express are pretty darn good about siding on your favor if you state when you paid, what you expected, what was/was not delivered and if you can point to any information that corroborates your story, they'll tend to fight/side with you. I like that about them.

Perhaps a DM between yourself and Prometheus to sort out those details would be to your benefit.
Damn it, no need to get the popcorn out now :p


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