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Hrm, that's rather disappointing. I may have to stick with MediaNET. :/

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I tried to search for qt on this forum but can't because it's too short.

qt wasn't in this list: http://repository.maemo.org/unstable...omparison.html

and given Nokia was supposed to be porting qt, that was awfully surprising, especially since clutter is supported and clutter feels a little... unfinished to me.

Also isn't qt in extras-devel not extras? Thanks for the pointer though.

I don't see extras or extras-devel yet for fremantle either. Granted I haven't even installed it yet.

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Obviously, because Fremantle isn't shipping official Qt support.

Nokia is porting Qt, the results of which are available right now in Extras. But for Fremantle Qt will only be community supported, the official support will come with Harmattan. This means a Qt Garage project and distribution through Extras (much like Python).

Unfinished how, exactly? Are you referring to the example Clutter UIs available or the actual toolkit? Either way, recall that this is only a pre-alpha.

I didn't make a differentiation because it isn't relevant here. They've got somewhere in the ballpark of 6 months to polish it up and move it to Extras. Give it time. :)

Setting up Extras for Fremantle means setting up the autobuilder for Fremantle, which isn't just a "flip the switch" sort of task. Especially given that this pre-alpha isn't targeting application developers or users, it may take a few weeks to get Extras set up.

Again, these things take time. This is a very early pre-alpha release intended to give platform developers and those folks interested in the platform architecture a jumpstart on Fremantle, and for Nokia to begin collecting feedback about it from them. This release is not intended for application developers, nor is it intended for users. From your questions, it sounds like you're more of an application developer, so you're gonna want to wait for a later alpha release or the beta release around March-May.

This is not a finalized 1.0 release ready for general consumption, so don't expect everything that will be in the final product to be here yet, and don't expect everything that is here to be 100% polished.

If you want to get started with Qt right now, my recommendation is to start with the Qt page on Garage and go from there.

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No, but that's not the issue. There are certain features in the current firmware that don't work as advertised. The (implied, perhaps mistakenly) assumption was that we would report these and they would be fixed in the lifecycle of the products (note that this is different to how the rest of the industry works, where if features are broken you just return the device for a refund and go buy a competitor's product instead).

The objection most of us are having is that the current device/firmware combination still doesn't work as advertised and it's (now officially) never going to get fixed.

This is orthogonal to the openness argument by the way. I do think that the Maemo team are mostly picking the right battles to fight with the resources they have available. I also think that Nokia has provided a terrible after-sales experience, even after they were promising that they learned from the 770 and this wouldn't happen again. In other words, I love maemo but I don't trust Nokia as a vendor that much anymore :-(

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And if it gets fixed unofficially, would that be good enough? Assuming we can get a decent-ish Diablo-on-steroids out, you'll have a far better chance of fixing any problems you see yourself, or persuading others that they are important and fixing them en-mass.

I can (sort of) understand your frustration (though I have various devices that have limitations/problems which get very very infrequent firmware updates, which usually cause more problems than they solve too).

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If you buy a Nokia Internet Tablet and you think there is something wrong with it you can exercise your customer rights - business as usual in the consumer electronics industry.

Filing bugs and get them eventually fixed in updates goes in addition to (and not instead of) the guarantee of the product.

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Well, AFAIK, the internet tablets are advertised for mobile internet. They do that very fine compared to other mobile devices and even support Flash, which is very uncommon for mobile devices.
The devices were never advertised for mobile office or as a laptop replacement. They can be used for that and somewhat work, but fixing the OS to make the devices more useful in this direction has nothing to with fixing the software to do what it was advertised for.
Most people don't even install any applications and just use the tablet for surfing. Works as advertised.
Firmware updates for anything else than serious bug fixes (e.g. N800 corrupting SDHC cards) are nice to have and actually happen, but they're not required to make it "work as advertised".

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The problem is that the 770 shows us that even serious bug fixes (e.g. 770 corrupting MMC cards) do not deserve firmware upgrades once the next device is out.

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It most certainly was the issue with regards to the post to which I responded.

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This is a good question to ask as far as data plans. ATT has the media net unlimited plan for $15/month that I use on my Nokia E71 and N95-4. Win/Mo phones and Blackberry phones and iPhone (or anything with a qwerty that they sell that they consider a PDA) are charged $30/month for unlimited data. These plans are coupled with voice plans. If you look at their web site they only only truly have ONE plan that doesn't include voice and that's the DataConnect plan designed for laptop HSDPA cards and they charge $60/month for that. I would love to see a $15 or $20 plan but it may be that the only way to add cheap data is to add a line to a family plan for $9.99 and add the $15 media net plan to it for a total of $25 plus taxes. But by the time the "N900" is released ATT may have changed their plan pricing so we'll have to wait and see.