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Re: Why is N900 so slow?

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Originally Posted by Northerner (Post 487217)

Better define the target of IT Professional more closely then. I suspect you really mean full-on geek. It's certainly not intended for corporate IT use. The fact that Nokia deliberately do not support device locking, remote wipe or any other MS Exchange Security Policies means that connecting with a corporate mail server to synchronise mails, calendars and task lists is out of the question, and is a major factor why the N900 won't get a look in within the Enterprise space.

Not necessarily. I was using it in a corporate setting and those omissions were moot.

Maybe it was being on Lotus Notes instead of Exchange that made the difference?

Anyway, one size does not fit all. ;)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?

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Originally Posted by chrisp7 (Post 487277)

No one is saying the N900 is fundamentally flawed.

Actually, some here have said exactly that.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?

I am baffled when people say 'n900 is not for ordinary users'. I make my devices work hard (I have literally worn out the buttons on my n95, and killed another phone completely since then) but I am no code specialist.

I knew getting a device this open would mean it came with a visible terminal. I also knew that I wouldn't have to use that if I didn't want to. Every device I have can do things I don't use - I buy them because they can do what I do want them to. In practice, I have done a few things in there - and feel suitably chuffed with myself for the (albeit slow) learning.

But just using the GUI is fine for me. I knew there were odd things missing - MMS doesn't bother me and the amount of use I make of GPS meant it was low priority. The email, browser, media (once I got the hang of playlists!) and contacts interface are better than any I've used before. The customisation is excellent - I can make it look like *my* device (Teddy bears!) The availability of additions such as games, book reader, utilities etc from here (and less so from ovi) mean that the device already takes up more of my life than it should.

There are things I'd like to see - several of them are still in development and I'm not yet enough of a 'power user' to be confident in testing several apps at once.

So although I accept I'm probably not using the device to its full potential, I don't see why that means it's the wrong device for me.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?

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Originally Posted by kwotski (Post 486580)

Sounds like something is eating your CPU or RAM up. Just as an example, for me, typing at the desktop screen instantly brings up matching contacts, whereas you report 5 seconds. Definitely less than a quarter of a second for me.

I would try and see what your CPU usage is as you are doing these things. If you have the cpumem applet installed, take a look at what it's doing, otherwise use conky or just the top command from inside xterm, perhaps.

Look at bug 8165 - https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8165#c6
(and vote for it, for fast fix).

Re: Why is N900 so slow?

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 487318)

Actually, some here have said exactly that.

Well I havent seen one!

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Originally Posted by colnago (Post 487295)

Fair enough, but I don't believe you would see any "less" issues by going to another "comparable" platform (i.e. Android 2.0/2.1). Like I said, less issues "out of the box" with the 900 than the Droid. And from what I've been reading, it doesn't sound like the N1 is burning up the "satisfaction" charts either.

Compared to iphone? Palm Pre? Android - at least has the basics right. Im just frustrated with typical Nokia behaviour- release, then fix later, its been like this for years. (Im a long suffering Nokia fanboy btw)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?

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Originally Posted by chrisp7 (Post 487396)

Well I havent seen one.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. ;)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 487403)

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. ;)

Thats slightly different! Thats the issue people get their backs up when there is criticism of Nokia, get defensive and take it as more than it is. Ill leave it at that, I dont want to go on.:) Laters:)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?

So I got a perl script proxy working on the n900 to listen on whatever port I want to and forward all traffic to whatever remote machine on whatever remote port.

This essentially means the n900 can now be used as a proxy server from anywhere, to anywhere.

And it's mobile.

:D

The difference between someone who wished the n900 was more user-friendly and someone who hacks around on it, is summed up in this simple perl proxy script. The fact that I can do that on the n900.

An HTC, iPhone, Droid, etc are all probably better suited for people who want flare.

I'll take the mobile proxy server. :D

I can't sum up the "mindset" any better than this I suppose. :(

Re: Why is N900 so slow?

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Originally Posted by chrisp7 (Post 487396)

Well I havent seen one!

Compared to iphone? Palm Pre? Android - at least has the basics right. Im just frustrated with typical Nokia behaviour- release, then fix later, its been like this for years. (Im a long suffering Nokia fanboy btw)

Are you saying the Pre and Android has basics right? If so, I know some Pre and Droid owners (since Android 2.0 is the new kid on the block, as is Maemo 5) and they'd beg to differ.

Spend 2 days on this Droid forum, and tell me that their platform is without issues...after 2 updates:

http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid/

Again, people are still saying that email isn't working correclty (e.g.., duplicate messages, no sync, missing folders, no connection for some providers, deleted messages won't delete "from device" etc.). Verizon had a 2-page bug list after Droid's release,

http://www.electronista.com/articles...s.in.december/

http://photos.macnn.com/news/0911/motodroid1.jpg

http://photos.macnn.com/news/0911/motodroid2.jpg

http://photos.macnn.com/news/0911/motodroid3.jpg

http://photos.macnn.com/news/0911/motodroid4.jpg

http://photos.macnn.com/news/0911/motodroid5.jpg

and things are still broken. How is it any different or better, than what Nokia is doing? Taking in consideration that Nokia has to support not only hardware, but software as well (vs. Google/Motorola)

Re: Why is N900 so slow?

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 487094)

And the easy reply is, "what percentage?"

Because small percentages indicate anomalies. Things unanticipated (right or wrong), hardware defects, software conflicts, etc.

This is not to diminish the validity of the claims. Rather, it is to place them into the proper context. If 90% posters say the N900 is generally slow, they are likely onto something. A good example was the poor internet video performance of the N810/N800/770-- it was universal, and obviously slow.

But many complaints here are shared by a very small number of people, NOT a majority. This is especially true since the majority tends not to say anything. This results in flawed assumptions by some that since they only see complaints then the problems must represent the norm.

When the minority has an issue, then many in the majority expect complainers to participate in troubleshooting. But too many complainers refuse, and that results in aggressive "fanboy" responses from people tired of those demanding to be spoonfed by volunteers.

It would be nice if everyone could digest this, and we then move on. But it keeps having to be explained over and over and over and over... and some are surprised when forum leaders get testy?

I love the power of the n900, dealing with remote server issues, good RD , excellent web browser,

however , email : the most basic thing to get right. its poor. and this is not just one person commenting on this but a number of persons, its has been on a number of threads.

you also have to accept that this is being sold in mainstream business and commercial channels as a phone and as an end user product,. not just for geeks (and yes I am a geek!)

I can understand why the email client being poor in features and functionality is acceptable. I have 4 contractors who work for me which also got this device, and no ******** they are all sending them back because of the email client.

If you work in a testing and commercial environment you will often use email to send out error reports of logs if you are out of the office to alert your to possible system problems. This is why it HAS to go for me personally.

the missing phone functionality, could not care less. email tho ! my n95 was better featured!

This forum will be a small part of the userbase for the device (at least active posting members). So if a number of persons are talking about an issue you can quite rightly assume this represents a fair number of non community interactive users. A low % of comments on this forum can still indicated a LARGE problem in the user base of a device.

One of my contractors pointed out the E= enterprise and N=novelty in the nokia range. I am starting to see his point :(

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Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 487106)

And Mo is sorry to hear that the only other n900 we know of in the Duchy will be going back. :(

Yes me as well, Its affecting my work to much becuase of the terrible email client (speed and functionality ) to keep the device so im back to blackberry.

I am sure in a few months this will get resolved with a good ported email client e.t.c.

but I need a working device now , might just be a case of me expecting to much as an early adopeter. however being to "search" email and get into my inbox within 20s-1 min is not my idea of high expectations.

cheers,

MB