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Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!

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Originally Posted by me2000 (Post 849809)

I love this:
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tablets-dev.nokia.com Software Authentication
In order to download the software, you will need to provide your device's 15-digit IMEI number and accept the end-user software agreement. If you agree, you have 1 hours of time to download the software after which the acceptance must be renewed.
Seems pretty open to me !

That was when we didn't have redistributability rights for some firmware pieces. We don't use that any more but it was an example of weekly images being dumped there.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!

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Originally Posted by me2000 (Post 849785)

Right. N900 not supported either.

Note to Nokia: quit stringing people along with moving deadlines, vague product definitions and propagating false hopes. You aren't fooling anyone. You are only hurting yourself.

So what deadline has moved? What vague product definition? Are you talking about the MeeGo project or Nokia?

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I'm sure it is. Only HTC doesn't say its a platform when a software deadline rolls around. They ship software that works on their phone.

What software deadlines does HTC have? It's Google who ships Android, and they don't seem to have public deadlines. HTC makes products with it and ships when they're ready. MeeGo project ships MeeGo on a fixed release schedule, manufacturers make products with / on top of it and ship them when they're ready.

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In that case, I'll be throwing my N900 in the garbage and buying an Android phone like all the rest of the market has. Silly me for thinking something of quality was going to come from this Nokia + Intel effort.

How do you know something of quality isn't going to come if you haven't seen any MeeGo products yet?

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Silly me, but I thought that is the sort of thing the N900 hardware adaption team, with Nokia's blessing, would broach.

You know what is really funny here is Nokia's attitude toward the N900 user base. Instead of looking at it as a huge, free testing force, they want to wash their hands of it. Have you noticed how Redhat uses Fedora ? That should be your model, not washing your hands of it. Guess what the quality of Meego 1.6 on your next device is going to be if you don't get it properly tested ????

Again you're somehow thinking it's only Nokia that's dealing with MeeGo and the Handset UX, it's not. The reference applications are done by Intel for example. And you keep harping about wanting to test it and do bugfixing but in the next sentence complain how you don't want to use such unfinished software?

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!

Two short points:

1. MeeGo is new. Really. As surprising as it may sound, stuff needs to be worked on to reach a stable or even remotely feature-complete state. Android took almost 5 years from project start to first handset. I am willing to bet extremely high amounts of money and beer WP7 and iOS werent born in under a year, either. Seeing development is scary for most people, especially when you come from a project that has many years of development behind it.

2. The differentiating factor people have been hunting for is that you don't have a huge stone named 'Google' on your neck (and no, Nokia is not an equivalent here by a long shot). You can have your own store (without fearing Nokia walks over you like the Android Marketplace does), your own business model, buddies, whatever and contribute back to something you see developed, no surprises like the Nexus One style 'oops, we thought you would be thrilled we trumped your latest offerings, ruining product cycles'. MeeGo should be Android done right, without the fragmentation and the Google leash. Whether it will be successful in attaining this is a still open question of course, we'll have to wait a few years to see that (neither iOS nor Android made their popularity sprints on the first year of existence).

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Now I am getting pissed of your ********. why doesnt you help the meego team with development instead of whinning here if you are so damn good. Its a open project and I am sure they like to have some more developers and testers!!!

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Originally Posted by me2000 (Post 849636)

I love how the initial Meego 1.1 plans included marketing efforts (http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1) and was supposed to occur on October 21st, 2010 and that has come and gone without any comment, let alone a marketing effort.

And now the release is being called a "platform". (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1691)

Would one really need a marketing effort to release a development "platform" ?

Who does Nokia think its fooling here ?

Does anyone understand the concept of release early and often ?

Why don't they pare down the system to the bare essentials (basic calls, phone charging, etc.) and SHIP so that people can at least start using it to get the bugs out ? Right now everything is being developed simultaneously and nothing works. They are trying to do Big Bang development and that NEVER works.

It took a long time for USB devices to automount in Fedora. It shipped without that functionality and people accepted that. At least there was a Fedora. Right now there is no Meego.

So here is my advice to the Meego team. Take whatever you have that works and ship it as TESTING. Strip out everything that doesn't work. After 2 months of user use and bug fix releases, call that subset of functionality STABLE. Then you will have a code base to start building from.

This business of shipping without calls working and without battery charging working is BS. That is the base functionality of what the phone has to do. Without that, it isn't a phone !

Forget SMS. Forget apps. Forget everything except the very smallest set of phone functionality. Get that stable, put it in testing and SHIP it and provide some support resources so that people start using it and it gets tested in end user hands.

Right now you have a mess. You have tons of code being worked on. Nothing works. Nothing is stable enough for any of the end users to test. You are missing shipping deadlines. You are pushing deadlines back. And the market is running away from you.

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IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!

In your opinion, maybe. But I for one neither care about nor agree with your opinion.
Seriously, topics with titles like this always make me laugh.

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Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 849643)

Sorry, that's my job :)

Even if MeeGo 1.1 isn't the swan I hoped myself it would be, I'm bloody proud of the work and effort we've (as in the team and the people contributing to the port) put into the N900 side of things.

And it'll only get better.

We're making sure we can keep the N900 port alive for a -long- time.

My question is :
Will N900 get MeeGo v1.2 adaption ?

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!

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Originally Posted by lanwellon (Post 849923)

My question is :
Will N900 get MeeGo v1.2 adaption ?

Yes. If you were to read before reacting and posting topics such as this you would realize what you said will, in fact, happen.

It won't be Nokia supported, but it will happen.

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This thread is ********.. it kind of sums up the fanboy type of chatter you see on gaming sites.

I love Maemo, i think it's a cut above anything i've ever used. If it could handle Java apps it would be perfect and i'd happily stick with it for a few years.

MeeGo will be fine, will it bring anything new to the table? Probably not.. will it be a tragedy? I couldn't care less.. i don't have shares with Nokia or Intel, as long as i have a device in my hand that i'm happy with it's good enough for me. Maemo or MeeGo becoming mainstream OS is purely something for Nokia execs.. or fanboys to worry about.

Bar the Chuck Norris nonsense, I thought users on here were supposed to be kind of intelligent?

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Originally Posted by Faustino (Post 849991)

This thread is ********.. it kind of sums up the fanboy type of chatter you see on gaming sites.

Nice way to bash people who are primarily responding to fearmongering by someone who isn't truly aware of what he's talking about.

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as long as i have a device in my hand that i'm happy with it's good enough for me. Maemo or MeeGo becoming mainstream OS is purely something for Nokia execs.. or fanboys to worry about.

Well, you enjoy passively using whatever device that comes along. I (and many others) would rather try to apply pressure to an industry and get it to move in a way we'd like, instead of locked down, single sourced like almost every other mobile OS out there. Not everyone is happy to be a passive, idle consumer content to take what is given.

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Bar the Chuck Norris nonsense, I thought users on here were supposed to be kind of intelligent?

Nice way to bash everyone here. Communities do so well with comments like this.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!

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Originally Posted by Faustino (Post 849991)

Bar the Chuck Norris nonsense, I thought users on here were supposed to be kind of intelligent?

I would try to respond to you but I'm so stupid that I am forgetting to breathe and that's causing way too much complications.. Wow big words coming from an unintelligent t.m.o community member!