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freemangordon

2012-06-26 20:59

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1227938)

Let it go. The corroborated stories are coming out of the woodwork now.

No amount of questions will ever get those people to ever admit any wrong doing whatsoever.

Just let it go. Nothing good will come of it. The damage, as far as I am concerned (and perhaps others) is done. I insist that we all just let it go.

You are saying I am lair or what? I am still young enough for my memory to serve me well in 99.9% of the time. I just don't want to waste 2-3 hours for something which will change nothing. Nor the outcome of CA, neither your impression there is some conspiracy going on.

@ZogG: I don't expect council meetings to happen on #maemo, do you?

gerbick

2012-06-26 21:01

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1227941)

again...
don't you think NOKIA has proven they can see beyond Maemo.org & TMO?
so, why would they stop supporting Maemo after yet another Tempest in a teapot.... eeeh, thread, of course, on TMO?

Why are you asking me questions about Nokia when it's a self-serving, somehow voted in puerile individual that's causing this thread to begin with.

Without him in place, or part of this forum, I'd not have had this discussion nor had to take any time out of my schedule to discuss anything such a person would have done.

Simply stated, you want those answers, I don't have them. I have answered to the best of my knowledge of what you've asked; I do not see the reasoning.

Perhaps it's time you answer some questions since it's starting to feel like a journey down a rabbit hole I'd rather not travel. Nokia has been beneficial to this site. It's the current Council I hold at fault.

TMO is going down because Maemo is dead. Why? Ask Nokia. MeeGo is dead? Why? Ask Intel and Nokia. You're asking me questions that you need to be asking Elop.

gerbick

2012-06-26 21:04

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by freemangordon (Post 1227942)

You are saying I am lair or what?

You might not be one, but you're in the company of unsavory people/person. You have a problem with that, solve the bigger issue - at least one of you has lost the trust people in this community. That's the consequence for those types of actions.

Earn the trust back or complain about it ad nauseum or ignore it. It's not a problem if you have a clear conscience.

dumpystig

2012-06-26 21:09

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by don.edri (Post 1227909)

Hey, people, how about we use all this energy and turn it into something good instead of adding volume to this thread?
As I can see it, it makes no sense to review the results of the CA. The lesson for the future is clear - alter the way the council members are awarded devices. That simple.

So, as there are voices some other deserving developers were omitted in the prizes - how about the community makes up for this? I mean, how much is a N9 nowadays? If the community thinks that those developers are so deserving (and requiring for their further work!) we could easily donate a few bucks each and fix the issue. Yeah, those are not N950, but one can perfectly code and develop with them, right?
Would that please everybody? This thread is on a straight way to a brawl, with some hurtful and inappropriate things said already - so why not to turn this effort it into something beneficial instead?

Quoted as this seems to be the most sensible post in this whole thread - why hasn't anybody listened, acknowledged or thanked?

Maybe because many are too far gone with their own standpoint and cannot / will not give up chomping at the bit...???

Sorry guys but this has now gotten to the point of being both pathetic and embarrassing. I imagine after all this in-fighting (b*itching) nothing will be changed except the attitudes and stand-offs between fellow members. Nice result.

I, for one, am off. To read other (informative) posts and continue playing with my toy.

misterc

2012-06-26 21:12

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1227944)

The ultimate question to the ultimate answer is... Why?

Why are we all here?

why not?
have anywhere else we can get a more or less fully fledged Linux / GNU in our pocket?

misterc

2012-06-26 21:15

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1227946)

i certainly wouldn't waste my time on Flop.
this being said, maybe you can answer a last question? did you read somewhere an official statement NOKIA will stop financing Maemo?

woody14619

2012-06-26 21:28

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1227933)

when a crisis arises, the right thing is probably better discussed and agreed upon behind closed doors and only then one member makes one unequivocal post

But that wouldn't be very transparent, now would it. Everyone else is calling for more transparency, and you call for opacity? I'm not saying that what you said is false, or that either is the right or wrong way to go. I'm just noting that even in this community there are people wanting things both (multiple) ways.

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Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1227937)

May i suggest to the council thinking about having:
1) a vote on re-allocating that one particular device

Which device would that be? The one that was donated in the CC? It wasn't donated back into the CA, but into the CC. Even if we were to go against the winners wishes and re-allocate it, I'm pretty sure everyone would be unhappy with whomever it went to. Either because it didn't go to their person, or because we're "stealing" a device from the CC, or...

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Originally Posted by freemangordon (Post 1227942)

@ZogG: I don't expect council meetings to happen on #maemo, do you?

Actually, they happen on #maemo-meeting on a regular basis (but you know that...) Yet even with all these "concerned" people on TMO, many of whom are on IRC, not one of them showed up last Friday. Not even the ones having a chat with others in the next channel over on this very topic while the meeting was going on, even to observe.

But then, who wants to spend time in a boring Council meeting?

Dave999

2012-06-26 21:30

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by vetsin (Post 1227956)

OT: misterc, i hope you realize you're feeding a self-proclaimed troll. :)

It's a thin line talking facts, rumors, lies and trolling. Most people assuming they have correct facts but are infact wrong, others are wrong when they think they are right.

Same goes for rumors, lies and trolling. Be careful when handing out statements like that, especially in a thread like this.

don_falcone

2012-06-26 21:37

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

Stop it, Davie. There's almost no existing thread where you were positively contributing.

don_falcone

2012-06-26 21:37

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 1227960)

I'm sorry for the ambiguity, i meant the one that Estel was allocated of. (if the accusation prove to be true which seems it is)

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