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What do you mean expected?
Still many high end phones do not have stereo speakers. I haven't seen dual shutter button on phones either except the N900. Some phones don't have micro SD slots, nor dual sim.

Are you Dave999's cousin by any chance?...

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If you guys have no info at all you complaint. If some news are given they are not enough. What are you really expecting? Let's wait and see. If it comes with all specs that are being revealed i congratulate once more Chen's (hard) work

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We expect to have it ASAP in our pocket :D

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Even so that's a little bit rude, I have to admit this made me laugh aloud!
:D

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...but not a two-stage one.

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My Xperia X has a two-stage camera button, what do you mean? It has half press for focus and full press to take a photo.

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Same with X Compact. Speaking of dual-camera-things, I believe the Livermorium will also get a dual sensor.

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The next newsletter they will talk about memory and processor specs. Personally I would be ok with less internal memory, if that helps keep cost down. 16-32gb internal, then just add a massive SD card to expand
I would predict this phone will have at least 64gb standard though

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Any news about chen+device @MWC?

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Double sim users can't use SD card. So big internal memory is the best option.

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Nope.
The reason why I am still using JollaC (with 2GB and bad bad badcamera) is exactly the flexibility of using dual SIM and SD card.
Big memory is fine (N9!) but I prefer 16-32G and flexible expansion via SD. (so I got me a XA2plus but not using it yet with unreliable SFOS).

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Not sure if the plans have changed, but Chen initially announced a monochrome sensor on top of the regular one, which should allow higher quality and performance in low light.

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Not sure actually. It would be great publicity if they do. But who knows if the device will be ready for reveal at MWC. I have noticed a few different sites ran a story about the phone recently. All the same info based on the last newsletter that was released, but it looks like someone is doing some PR work. They need more exposure in my opinion

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Good point I didn't think about that
I've never had a dual SIM setup so it didn't occur to me

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I have no experience with dual-sensor cameras, and therefore it is very likely that I might be missing one of the advantages of dual sensors, but I do disagree that infrared and flash are the only answers to low light situations. Taking pictures with a flash or without flash really are different things.

I'm not too interested about the camera on the phone anyway, it's just for souvenirs in my case.

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Sorry but that's a hogwash. You wearing black clothes in a dark room would show glowing bright in infrared. I hope even you agree that that is quite a different result from a normal low-light image.

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Absolutely.

I have yet to find ...or for that matter believe all the fawning over and phones with camera abilities beyond what a proper camera can do

There isn't anything yet that I know of that can compare to my cameras...
especially my pentax cameras.

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to continue with OT.......
the thing is that, phone cameras are waaaay better then a fey years back and much better than I thought they will ever be. But...... almost no one use those phone taken photos for printing or 100% crop or anything related to serious photography. 95% of phone taken photos never see a screen bigger than the one on phones. So what's the point? What's the point of paying in range of some sony alpha 6xxx series which is, well, more compact with kit lens than modern phones just to end up with unsupported device some 18 months later and a camera that's nowhere near a real thing for half the price and 10x longer life.

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We are doing a photobook for every year. And we started to add some of the pictures taken with my X. Well, not that we are using it full size as background, but still about the regular printout size 9x13cm.

I agree that quality is not the same, but sometimes there is just no camera around and for the yearbook the situation would be missing. Or it adds an additional perspective.

That being said, there is a reason for the components Chen is using. If I remember correctly, mainstream components are cheaper and easier to get. Seems that dual sensor is mainstream right now.

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So you buying this phone for the camera? :D it's low-end by the time it gets out and that's fine I guess. It has a cam. nothing more nothing less.

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No. I'll never buy the phone because of the camera. Any midranger these days has good enough camera for what it is and how it is used. The rest is more marketing than 500€ better photos.

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but top range can take solid ones IN da DARK.

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Only different is... That those top-phones don't have hw keyboard ;)

I think that F(x) will have better camera than N9 and that's enough for me.

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The point is that it cost ridiculous amount of money because of the camera (or latest trend, 1TB of storage) and it's a junk in a year and a half while my a5000 still going strong, no cracked screen or outdated OS. Or dead glued in battery.
The other point is that nobody uses 100% crop from camera phones where you can see the difference. I'm not exactly a talent for photography nor do I know much about "how to" when it comes to taking great photos. But I do understand technology as such. With it's limitations.
https://i.postimg.cc/pXD1y9z5/174639.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/9QdV9pX3/a-DSC00497.jpg
one is from single camera phone from 2015 and the other one is from a5000, both resized to some 720p.

Don't get me wrong, there's a huge difference in camera performance from a few years back, but the way those photos are consumed/used is still the same and that's why I don't see the point in paying crazy money just because of the camera.

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You don’t need the best tech possible...until you need it.

Perfect condition...everything handles that. But when you have to break you want the best possible breaks. Rest of the time you might be happy with average.

Nice photos in perfect conditions and range.

I don’t think we should compare this phone with the device we have today. If you you have a n900 or n9 you might get some improvements.

Qwerty is the only feature that will be noticeable with device.

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Just keep all the info in one place ill post findings here. @htheb can compile info into your first post if you want. This will make everything easy to find and all in one place. More for new people than us. I'm sure we all know everything about the phone already lol

In no particular order...

18:9 6 inch curved screen
2 speakers for stereo sound
Fingerprint scanner on right side
2 stage camera shutter right side
NFC
Vanilla Android
USB C - quick charge, USB host, HDMI capable
Headphone jack
Dual SIM (second slot is for micro sd)
Metal construction with quality similar to drone parts using powder metallurgy
Flat back
Pixel 3 camera sensor
North America/Europe CDMA and GSM support
Bespoke launcher with horizontal usage support
Screen flips up at angle with 3mm clearance from keyboard when flipped out
Qwerty keyboard layout with additional layouts possible


TBD?
Dimensions possibly around 150x70mm or less (hopefully)
Processor snapdragon 845 or 835
Battery
Internal storage 32 - 64gb
Device name, price, color, keyboard light colors
Release date
What's included in the box

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More TBD
Name
price
Color
QWERTY text color
QWERTY layouts
Speakers
Release date
What’s in the box?
Box?
Cable lenght
Charger included
Battery
Weather conditions for device
Software updates

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I don't need the best lens for higher prices. But looking at old picture from my n900 on HiDPI screen is not ideal. I'm happy I have them of course.

But for those that say phone cameras will never replace "real" DLSR cameras, I think are not being realistic. It's really only a matter of time for hardware and software to make it user choice and not the final product. It's almost here already just needs to be made smaller and add AI (locally hopefully) to it like google is doing.

Have a look at this, camera (phone like device)

x

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What's the exact alloy number? How do Chen plans to compensate for the significantly higher production and finishing price for magnesium alloy parts? Thanks!

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no, it is not. Just like with every digital information, if it is not recorded or is lost in some transcoding/resizing/whatever it is gone forever and you can't replace it no matter how smart is AI/SW.
But then again, it all depends if one likes more picture that is eye catchy or picture that looks like we see it with our eyes.

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I have two expensive full format digital cameras with good lenses, they still don't go anywhere close to my TLR medium format from the 1940s in terms of definition and 3D effect, regardless of whether they are used with modern lenses or vintage lenses from the same era.
They are potent in much more conditions, they are a lot easier to use, and smartphone cameras do even better in that regard. However, there are things that miniaturized and/or digital cameras will never be able to replace.

DSLR are a very good balance overall for quality pictures in most conditions and ease of use. Smartphone cameras are extremely useful to carry around, they are balanced for that, but they will hardly ever take the quality spot. Now that does not mean they can't be improved; they did get quite a lot better over the past years, and it's still welcome.

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So you don’t think your expensive cams will be beaten by this tiny phone in the future? It’s just a matter of time. :p

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So true.
Same you could say about 'vinyl' records instead CD, oops sorry MP3.
Conveniece beats quality (/privacy).

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Fair enough. Do even find cams without software or phones without cams?

Maybe you can ask chen to not install anything at all on your devices so you can fix only the things you need.

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No. A single word. It's that simple.

If you want a longer answer, have two words: sensor size.

The push to ever thinner devices combined with ever increasing pixel count makes things only worse. Cramming more pixels onto a smaller die makes each individual pixel smaller, thus reducing its light gathering quality. Making the device thinner forces the die closer to the lens which pushes the requirements on the lens optics beyond its comfortable range. Both effects combined result in shitty pictures that the common public accepts as the new norm thanks to aggressive marketing and general ignorance.

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Vinyl is objectively worse than lossless digital audio, though. You don't get a soothing hiss when playing a CD, but quality-wise vinyl, which is physically destroyed by playing it, is worse than digital audio. There is, of course, a difference if the studio decides to master the record differently for vinyl than for CD, but that's just silliness like using heavy 180g vinyl plates instead of the lighter ones.

MP3 files also don't sound as bad as they're often made out to be in comparison to lossless audio, what gets cut is the super high frequencies the human ear anatomically can not hear. (I'm thinking V0 VBR or 320 CBR here, but even V2 VBR MP3 is usually near indistinguishable from its lossless counterpart). What they are bad at is efficiency, they take up a lot more space than, say, Vorbis or Opus. It doesn't help if they're badly encoded, either, but in general, 99% of the world population will not hear the difference between V0 MP3 and lossless audio even in a professional testing environment, and even if they do it will only be on a case-by-case basis. Lossless audio is for conservation (to put on CDs, vinyl, cassette, whatever you want, and to encode to lossy files), lossy audio is for consumption. All physical audio storage media are lossy by definition: vinyl and cassette get destroyed by playing them, and CDs eventually rot.

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There's my man, I still have and (too rarely) use my full-manual Pentax lovely with 50mm/1.4 Takumar. Love the bokeh it creates on black&white images!

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Of course they will never reach the same.

@pichlo gave you one answer, and I'll give you another and that's glass.
No manufacturer will ever bundle real optics with a phone.

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It might be sci-fi to you but I think you are wrong. Never is a loooong time.

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You raise a valid point.

Let us consider human eye. It's not that big really. You could imagine embedding something of that size to a mobile phone. And the human eye can catch some nicely detailed images, am I right? Even if you disagreed with that assertion, you might agree that if a human can't tell difference with his eye to that of a photo, it is ample enough quality.

So future mobile phones could use same techniques that human eye and brain uses to create pictures. That's just proof of concept.

Now, human eye was developed by Yahweh. I think we can all agree that Yahweh is quite powerful. But the word "genius" is probably not the word any of us would use to describe him. So it's not at all far fetched to consider that humans could design a camera that is smaller and more efficient than what Yahweh did with human eye.

Sound logic?