Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

After the so called seamless software upgrade my N810 went into looping reboots. I didn't know what to do until I read about it in this forum. Can't thank you enough. The manual reflash took several tries.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I'm gonna throw this in here, but afraid it'll will get lost. My upgrade seems to have thankfully gone very well, altugh I've found that my browser has lost some of the menu options regularly available when 'right clicking' a link. I no longer have the option to open link in new window... instead are 2 "play....." entries, one trying to open link in kmplayer, and the other in default media player. Other menu items are copy link location, and some zoom and general page navigation options.

Right click menu on other areas of a web page seems to produce corrrect menu.... its only wen right clicking links. Anyone else experiencing this?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

For that, something as simple as this applied to the application manager source would work:
http://pastebin.com/d6cae4caa

I don't have a tablet available atm so I can't test it out. Although I can try it out in the scratchbox...

Oops, read the code wrongly. Removing those two lines would work better.

Fixed patch:
http://pastebin.com/m35af5bd1

This one actually works to show dependencies in blue pill.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Does anyone know how to resolve my problem?

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...&postcount=406

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

This is why the Internet Tablet ecosystem sucks. This kind of things does not happens with an iPhone update.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

What??? Here SSU failed just because I removed user files. I would have never thought this would be a problem.

If SSU fails just because the user has removed user files, this is entirely Nokia's fault.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

sarcasm?

(fullfilling minimum character requirements...)

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

That's right, the rotation package doesn't break anything, it just may prevent you from installing the SSU because dependencies not met (something to do with xserver-xomap)
I think, from my experience, that there are three main causes for the reboot loops: the preinstalled documentation (why on earth a .deb touchs /home?), the rc.d handling scripts (they are not very... how to say it... mmm... they are very far from being what chkconfig in other systems is), and the package manager which dares to simply say that the SSU coudn't be installed and leave the system completely broken.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Was it that the user files were removed, or that the .documents directory was moved or removed?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

No Thanks!

or

-1 Troll/Flamebait

or

The humor went over my head.

Probably #3.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

In my understanding, there's several ways it can fail, including if you've removed all the PDFs and left the empty directory.

I haven't gotten the package and looked at the scripts, but it sounds like a piece of work, alright.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I always remove the bundled PDFs, and have never had an issue with the documentation package. So, clearly, this isn't the whole story.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Maybe the keyword is "some files"? I did delete all but English user guide... and did end with the endless reboot loop. I never moved or symlinked the .documents directory.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Comments from 4 different people, but only one vote.

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Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

That response has nothing to do with the quote you responded to.

I didn't say Nokia had no responsibility.

Please read and respond more carefully, thanks.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

err. actually it does. Maybe not as often though since iphones are locked down so there's not much u can modify without jailbreaking it.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I didn't remove the .documents directory: some of my own document files (e.g. note.note.html from Notes) were in this directory, and I didn't want them to be removed. I just removed PDF files, and perhaps ~sfil_li_folder_user_guides since this directory became empty (but I don't remember). BTW, I thought that these PDF files were just files installed by default, with no relation with the package system (in Debian, documentation is in /usr/share/doc, never in the user's home directory).

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Indeed. A bug in iTunes 7.71 broke some iPhones.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Then you shouldn't have responded to my post: you said that users chose to take a risk by doing some actions. I did not. So, why are you talking about risks?

But in some posts, the user is blamed just because SSU failed for no special reasons:
(Really, in my case, this is nothing... except standard use of the tablet of course.)

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I looked at the /var/lib/dpkg/info/pre-installed-documentation-rx44.postinst script, and that's true that it should not fail just because the ~sfil_li_folder_user_guides directory is empty (unless this is due to a bug in busybox). I hope maacruz can give more information about:
Note 1: I'm not sure about the real cause of the SSU failure in my case. As the SSU didn't give any error message, it is really difficult to know. But if SSU really fails if ~sfil_li_folder_user_guides is empty, then this is the most probable cause of failure in my case.

Note 2: in case this is important, the MyDocs/.sounds directory was empty when I did the upgrade (but I don't see why this could be a cause of failure).

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I'm confused. First you say you deleted doc files, then you say you did nothing.

Which is it?

And before you make this a circular argument by stating again that removing docs should not affect SSU, please note that I am in agreement and have asked that you join us in voting on and discussing the relevant bugs.

I haven't seen a single post that does so, including what you quoted (and definitely not mine). No one is blaming users if SSU fails for no special reasons.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I did nothing except normal use of the tablet (I've deleted user doc files, but this isn't an action more particular than any other one concerning the files under /home/user).

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I see you chose to ignore my plea for keeping this from going circular.

I'm out. Enjoy.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I already voted for bug 3750 a few days ago. I don't think I can do anything else.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Is Apple allowing third party developers to freely release software without having to crack there phone with the jailbreak patch? Tell me again how fantastic the iPhone is when you manage to change the battery yourself and get it tripple booting between three OS.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

If you updated your system in mmc don't forget to modify again /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-umount.sh and /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh, they were overwritten by the SSU.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

two modest observations:

1. so far it has not randomly deleted any mails (knock on wood)

2. i just spotted it going to the next mail after i deleted the mail i was reading. as in, it didnt drop me back to the inbox first. im sure that got to be new behavior...

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

all good here.
- internal flash updated clean
- boot menu flashed clean
- external sd updated clean
- boot menu flashed clean again

none of the listed issues baked my install in the process. NIC on the sd even worked though hildon didn't show it. Now to see if the battery level shows correctly and Map will save favourits.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Yick! So *this* was what was causing the problems. I'd find out my tablet wouldn't reboot, reflash and restore from backup, try the seamless update, have it fail -- then ignore it. A day to a few weeks later, I'd reboot my tablet for some reason, and blam... and clueless to why, I'd start redoing things again. :(

I am getting royally pissed off with the tablet set up process by the end of this. Can't Nokia save my time zone information and language and etc in the backup file?

Although in the end, I ignored my backup file. Based on what people have said here, I probably had deleted the user guides. I had to configure a lot of things manually each time anyway... man, this was the most painful update ever. Can't Nokia go back to non-seamless updates?:(

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Does the iPhone have OTA-updates at all? I thought Apple handled it all via iTunes? (I really don't know, just a question...)

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Well, that didn't go so good. Here's my report. I ran the update and it locked my N800 so hard I had to take the battery out of it to get it to restart. Then it went into a reboot loop. So, I had to flash the device. Very nice. I'm not going to read 47 pages of this thread, but I'm guessing people aren't sitting around holding hands and singing cumbaya on this one.

It's up and running again now though, so I guess all's well that end's well. Sorta.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

same here, got into a reboot loop. Heck, at least I was expecting it. If it had work, it would have been great, but hey, I knew what I was getting into.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I have one rule when installing SSUs: I always start an xterm after that and run an "apt-get -f install" just to be sure. If app manager can't simulate the install, at least it can check if everything went ok before we restart...

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

It's been almost a week since the Seamless SU v4.2008.36-5 was unleashed and although there has been no word from its developers at Nokia, perhaps the unofficial Maemo gurus could help by compiling a Howto list of ways of minimizing possible pain when something goes wrong and posting the guide to the ITT front page (constantly updated when new valid information surfaces)?

Simply expecting the visitors to wade through 500 messages containing the odd tidbit of wisdom (and how do they know which advice is correct?) is a lot to ask IMO.

Also, it would appear that some of the update failures are caused by the latest SSU's install script so couldn't the script be made more error-proof and reissued?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

There's been plenty of word, you just can't expect every one of them to waste their time replying here. ;) Watch the right places.

Personally, I'm investing my time this direction.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

It's good that there is debate going on among the developers, but ideally some of the fruits of that debate would trickle to the userspace.

Of course one problem is that the furball that is SSU is inviting the Diablo user to simply install it (it now being seamless and all) before hitting the forums...

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!: All the issues I have found
 

I've not updated my n800 yet (I'm waiting for a replacement lcd), but I'm checking these prerequisites and I don't have that directory.
I don't remember deleting it (I just deleted the promotional video and the user guides in the languages I don't need, but even those in the user directory).
Could it be that it was removed in the postinstall script of pre-installed-documentation-rx34?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Maybe I haven't seen the response to the constant reboot, yet... anyway, did the reboot, the internal memory had enough space (to my knowledge,at least), tried to re-flash using the 770flasher (yes I'm on a mac) but the flasher just says, Suitable USB device not found, waiting.... , now I have a nokia brick... lovely. :(

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

First try using a PC, use a liveCD if it doesn't have linux installed and it's not yours. You may carry flasher-3 on a usb memory

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Why? The OS X flashers work fine.

The logical first step is to make sure you're following the flashing procedure correctly, then to rule out the hardware (make sure the USB cable is OK, try a different USB cable, make sure you're not connecting through a hub, etc.).