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If you act right now then you might have enough money left for a Mini 9 and a new tablet ...

http://portablemonkey.com/site/199-d...When:13:58:36Z

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That one's really easy. IPA or audio.

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"Fremantle", as in "Fremantle".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremant...tern_Australia
Easy, eh? :-P

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"What silence are you getting from Maemo?"

Gee, I don't even remember mentioning Maemo. Can someone furnish a quote where I mentioned it? Ever?

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From where I'm sitting, the next generation device(s) sounds even more powerful, flexible, and well thought out than my beloved N810, so I'm happy to wait a few more months before diving in. The new audio system alone makes it HUGELY appealing to me.

And yes, I'll be an early adopter again, especially as some lucky pickpocket in Stockholm now owns the aforementioned N810. I wish I could've been there when they discovered that there's no SIM slot...

I'm equally eager to see how Nokia handles Maemo integration with Ovi - lots of potential there.

So the waiting continues... but it'll be worth it.

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I bought a mini 9 a couple days ago and I am going to be putting my n800 on ebay within a couple weeks(once I get a better idea of how well the mini can replace it). I think my nintendo DS is going to be taking over PIM duty from now on, either that or I can get a new battery for my axim(or my palm m505).

I figure this is as good a place as any to put my "good bye cruel world" post.

The n800 is pretty cool, but it is handicapped at every turn. You can watch youtube videos, sorta. You can run full linux desktop environments, with a giant swap file. You can listen to music, but not ogg(seriously nokia, WTF?). It has a touchscreen, but the iphone is much nicer. USB OTG, that doesn't work properly. FM tuner, that isn't enabled by default and seems to drain the battery even when not running. The beautiful LCD, that you can't watch movies on. The webcam, that I have never ever ever used for anything ever at all.

Oh, and did I mention that it sucks hard at web browisng? For ****s sake. Nokia owns the company that employs the people who invented webkit(khtml), and the piece of **** that is microB is the best they can come up with? I bought this just because I thought the 800x480 LCD would be perfect for web browsing(coming from a Dell axim X30 with a 320x240, with IE), but microB is so bad that the iphone actually comes up on top here, despite the tiny low res LCD. And the fact that it is easier to type on an iphone in portrait mode than it is to write on the n800 in landscape is just criminal. You won't see me buying an iphone though, overpriced piece of proprietary crap(with a nice touch screen and keyboard).

The n800 is such a nice piece of hardware, but it was rendered entirely useless by maemo. The dual SDHC cards are amazing, the LCD is excellent, the push out web cam is nifty, the kick stand, the stereo speakers, the amazing build quality, the whole thing just so nice... and yet so useless.

Edit: sorry if this post is a bit off topic, I read the first few pages and then I read the post above about the mini 9 and thought I would add my 2 cents.

Also, if anyone is looking for a good condition n800...

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It's funny you know, posts like this make me feel like a genius. I *am* watching films on it, listening to ogg music, browsing on a webkit browser (Nokia doesn't own Qt long enough to make a difference, IMHO, but still), using the webcam for gizmo and various funnies. As for swapping and desktop OS, it's hard to contest that it's better at it than the Axim running windows XP. Flash, well, that's Adobe's responsibility at least as much as Nokias. The fact that mytube with a 3rd party player does so much better than the official flash player speaks volumes. Can't comment on keyboard as I'm on a N810, OTG ditto. All in all, it's just what it says it is, a tinkerer's OSS device, far from perfect but gets better by the day. I don't see how your problems will be resolved with either a WinMo device or how you will stuff a Mini9 in your pocket. You do sound like a future Archos person, in need of an Opera browser, good video and media performance.

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Before Karel wakes up, I'll fill in a couple of glaring omissions : the keyboard of a Psion Series 5, and the HWR of a Newton :-)

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Drizek. I am puzzled......

I have an N800 and have no problems taking pictures, using a CDROM or portable HDD, watching Youtube or DVD videos, having videoconferences. I do wish at times that the screen were bigger, but that would lose the portability of the unit.

As for the NEXT unit from Nokia, IMHO, Nokia is a business that likes to make money. They have to balance the needs of their future customers against their need to protect the IP. I do not like the way they do it, but I respect it. When the 770 came out, I liked it but did not buy because the unit I borrowed was too useless, in my opinion. When the 800 came out, I waited several months before buying. It took a year to learn how to do everything I do with it. (Which is everything I do on my WinXP box.) I'm sure that in the depths of Nokia that there are a group of people that work on designing the next tablets and they are constantly bugging the higher ups with ; "Can I please just show a few of our enthusiests what we've done so far?" With the answer, when weighed against the IP is still, at the beginning of March, "No". (It hurts but this is a fact of life in business that has to be realized.)

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Of course it is. The longer you wait, the better hardware and more time you have to put into the software. Let's wait 4 more years! :-p

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It sounds very tempting, compared with the current schedule :-)

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Well I reflashed it. Went to gron mayer, added a half a million repositories to get the dependencies for webkit, then installed Tear 0.3.5. I am very very impressed. My n800 has been sitting in a drawer for months, running android(useless). Tear really does change things though. Maybe even enough to keep it around. I have to decide whether I would rather have an n800 or a 16gb SSD for my mini 9(so I can run OSX on it as well as Ubuntu).

Of course, I charged it up at night, went to bed, browsed around for about an hour and then put it down. I wake up in the morning to check my email... and the battery is dead. WTF? This is a fresh flash, I have literally only installed 3 libraries, webkit, and Tear. This battery drain thing is by far the most annoying part of the nokias. It is even worse than microb.

Also, to get more on topic, I won't really be too excited by the OMAP3 stuff, not when ARM has announced that the next generation is going to be many times as powerful with multicore and other cool things.

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You know, there will _always_ be the next one :)

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. . . and it wont be shipping in volume until well into 2010 and possibly 2011. :rolleyes:

Besides, ARM announced the Cortex A9 months and months ago. The new announcement was for TI's SoC implementation of it, the OMAP4.

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So what? Even 1 library/daemon is enough, if it is crappy code.

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In this case it sounds like it could be a WiFi issue.

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Maybe, but it's the assumption behind the statement that leaves me baffled.

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Hey, we're not all black belt kernel engineers with super power saving skills. :p

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Well, it's about competition. It does seem that Nokia was correct to target mid-2009. There has been no new MID competition introduced in the last six months, and doesn't look like there will be any significant new MID competition in the next few months.

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Actually my great plan is to fix that. Sort of.

I cannot say more to not spoil the surprise.

And anyway some last minute hw / mechanics change might still ruin the attempt, like it happened with n810.

So I'll keep the mouth shout and the fingers crossed, but I hope to be able to announce - at some point - an interesting feature.

For almost any user.

In the meanwhile, yes I got carried away.

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Sorry, that should be be :p not ;). I didn't mean it as an admonishment, only a jest. ;)

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Are you the same Igor from the MWC web Q&A sessions? I was the one constantly asking about new Commies and NITs! Looking forward to both (and any hints as to when either will happen...)

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What assumption? A single library can cause battery drain, the more libraries you have ,the greater the chance that one of them is bad. The fact that this happens with just 6 packages installed is pretty messed up, especially since I have had the battery drain problem before, at a time when none of these packages were installed(except for easyroot?).

Yes, but my point is, is OMAP3 a big enough upgrade to warrant buying new hardware or should you just skip it and wait for the real meat and potatoes?

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No, sorry to disappoint you.

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Well, you first said that the battery drain is the most annoying part of the tablets, now that it is messed up for the problem happening with just 6 libs, or without those and only one other package installed.

Maybe it's like GA said and your AP has broken power saving. Or maybe you are installing broken sw. What's your point?

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That was an interesting statement.

A brief glimpse into what might have been...

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How does this differ from Bundyo 0.3 - preview 4? Link?
TIA,

bun

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Clearly you haven't done much research on the OMAP3. I recommend you read up a bit (especially OMAP2 vs OMAP3 comparisons) then get back to me.

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Looks like he is referring to preview 5. Check the thread.
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=26475

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Because of this feature I preferred a prototype with only 4GB instead of the special 8GB final version we were given to celebrate the launch.

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Well I wasn't suggesting that the battery drain problem was a hardware issue. It is obviously bad software. I doubt it is just my router because tons of other people have the same problem.

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Well, tons of people have routers that cause problems, so what's that got to do with it?

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What is not obvious is who is shipping the bad piece of software.

Isn't this easy to try? Before going to sleep turn off your router (and/or put your device in offline mode) and see what happens in the morning.

If you device still has a battery drained in the morning, then reflash, don't install anything and repeat the test.

Because tons of other people have routers with defective software and install third party software that, no matter how cool, haven't gone through a solid performance and quality criteria. And I'm not pointing specifically Tear or any project mentioned here.

But I really doubt a fresh and stock Maemo 4.1 will drain your battery without interacting with a defective router.

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At least when left alone in idle.
I don't want to point fingers either, but if there is a piece of sw we ship that I wouldn't trust to let running all the time, it is the built in email client.

We do only this much of testing and in the wild there can be some funky setup which will trigger execution paths we never dreamt of.

I would have rather preferred a setup where we would have been using a local MTA like postfix and a web based MUA like sqirrelmail.

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… also, many of these battery drain issues probably could be solved with a new battery. I myself was furious about the bad power management: 12-24 hours maximum in offline mode was just disappointing. Got a new battery, now everything's perfect.

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I doubt it would be a good solution (though I'm running an imap server on a linkstation pro, that's an arm less powerful than the one on the tablet).
Claws works fine on the tablet.

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If the tablets just had a standby mode like Palm/WinMo devices then none of this would even be an issue. There is no reason to keep the devices running 24/7 since they don't receive phone calls, and turning it off and on again just takes too long.

I will be testing it out though, seeing if there is any drain in offline mode. It might also just be that hte battery was damaged since I often charge it from USB.

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Unless you use VoIP, IM, and/or want email notifications. Not receiving calls through a cellular network is not the same thing as not having communications channels that should be kept up. And while such a standby mode (or softpoweroff...) might band-aid the problem for some users, the real issue is with the routers, and it'll continue to plague people who do want their device always live.

For those who can afford a data SIM, the solution is coming in the RX-51 -- ditch the router, and just use HSPA. (What that does to idle-but-connected battery life remains to be seen, of course...) I'm already doing this with my N810 -- I leave it tethered to my phone instead of hopping on the WiFi at home (even though my router's fine), but I charge my phone (and tablets) every night.

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They have a standby mode, but Nokia has botched softpoweroff since before the Diablo release, and fixes will be "fixed in Fremantle", i.e.: "never for you".

Also, the ARM processor in the tablets is quite capable of scaling back power consumption automagically.