Re: Leaked PR 1.2 works on italian device! Screenshots 4 italian people
 

r u italian too? meglio per te but the "stupid" word keep it with u

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

This is incorrect. Applications generally place files and/or symlinks in the root filesystem, and some applications do modify files that were installed as part of the firmware; however, it is far from true that "every developer" modifies "the boot sector". There's little in the maemo.org repositories that even touches initfs.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Sorry, I commented on Joorin's reply to you in the post beforehand.
I don't have anything to say about your last comment. Why did you want my response specifically?

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

First two statements: wrong.
After installing "bad software" you can reflash at any time and everything will be fine again.
After installing the stolen, unfinished update you can't reflash back to the official, properly tested and released firmware without losing the phone capabillities of the N900.
So that's far more dangerous.

And yes, it seems, that you're loving yourself (spanish: me amo) mister engineer.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

I assume that you have read bugzilla commenting between bug reporters and Nokia employees? That´s pretty standard stuff.

Who wouldn't agree that? Weird talking.

WTF? seriously now dude. What's going on there? Yes we have custom kernels and rather interesting stuff in devel, but are you really referring that all/most/big/small part of software touches the boot sector? And why you think that is problem? IMHO right now it looks like right now biggest problem with Q&A in maemo.org is widgets and tools that use python and leave it in background. Spotting memory leaks on that looks like quite demanding at least what i have read from bugzilla commenting.

FUD pure utter FUD. Could you please link to these apps that you find so dangerous. I have read this forum quite much and only problem what i have seen is that people are intalling stuff little to carelessly from testing/devel and there might be too little testers because apps go quite slowly from testing to extras. Also widgets and their memory problems seem to be hard to catch.

Lots of text from you but no facts. You paint and paint and manage to say nothing. You have seen stuff and you know stuff and what else?

Are you trying to say that giving user full access to their own device is not good thing to do? Because they do not realize that it´s OS/computer as any os/x, windows, linux where you have full freedom to fck up your system in many ways. May it be by installing screensaver from internet or install random stuff from net? Or what the heck are you trying to say?

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

wow..recaller start automatically when call connected on pr 1.2 L (!?!)...

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Ok you all dont understand how i came to this in the first place so i will explain, IF you can take a dump of the complete OS as it started from when you first got delivery then compare it especially the boot sector after apps have been installed you will probably get a shock.
One of the problems i see on this forum is N900's self booting and not a battery cause now why do you think this is happening?.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I'll break down your comment into pieces and perhaps you will be the one who "understands something".

Yes, there are many who develop applications for the N900. I did this too. This is a good thing since, apparently, having lots of downloadable applications sells the device to the fickle consumers.

Eh, what? Pardon? Say again? I don't know how you did your "research" but you failed at it. Or, perhaps, you just don't know what a "boot sector" is and used it instead of something else. No matter what, your claim is patently and blatantly false.

Installing an application is not to write to the boot sector, it is to place files in a special place on a certain partition. No fire there unless you actually replace existing programs or you install a program that's badly written but this is always true.

Again you are wrong. Installing a new kernel will replace the drivers, that is true, but it's not replacing the existing files that make up the OS. If you install a corrupt kernel, the device will not boot, but all you have to do it replace it with the old one.

Reflashing the device on firmware level is something else.

And even more enjoy being able to do new things with their device. If they installed something from Extras without understanding what might happen, they're in the same boat as the reflashers.

That's a bold claim. Care to back it up?

Or this is the strength of the N900/Maemo community: to be able to actually expand or modify the capabilities of such a hacker friendly device.

It's never a good thing to call people less educated and imply that what you're saying is too hard for them to understand when you, yourself, come across as ignorant and not very knowledgeable.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

OK ok but you failed to get my pun - I was referring to eitama - I'm sure he understood what I mean.
Let's only say that my analogy is more about him in general ...

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I understood your remark. It was geo-political and got by because you hid it in innuendo. A more explicit remark would have gotten you justified complaints.:mad:

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Would you mind explaining to me how my 3 python files in /opt fscked up your boot sector please?

Hell.. pianobar is a direct port from upstream compiled by simply adding the right DEBIAN file to the source code and using the maemo-optify available in the OBS for optification.... So please - explain to me how that is messing with your boot sector?

My guess is you actually mean Root FS - not boot sector. And if you seriously believe accidentally filling up your Root FS is more dangerous than a random firmware flash from some unknown chinese website... there's no hope for you.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Please read your own words inparticular .....

"Installing an application is not to write to the boot sector, it is to place files in a special place on a certain partition. No fire there unless you actually replace existing programs or you install a program that's badly written but this is always true.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

I think he's trolling. Playing dumb on purpose.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Anche io sono Italiano e non ho riscontrato alcuna anomalia nel mio terminale sopo aver flashasto la PR 1.2 RC e non la eMMC...

A me va tutto alla grande l'ho anche overclocked con titan a 950 Mhz! :-)

Considerate però che per me non è il primo tel ma solo il tablet...

Sorry for the non-Italian speakers!

Re: how old is the leaked pr 1.2 ?
 

Sounds like my first wife. :eek:

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Would you please tell everyone what your job title is?

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Ok? What's your point? The most dangerous updates are the ones that come from Nokia since they actually do replace existing OS files/change the firmware. A mistake in QA and you'll make life hard for many.

And why won't you clarify your arguments and reply to where you are called out as being misinformed and spreading false information? Don't you want to learn how things actually work?

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

One thing that has come across very strong on this thread is the very fact very few people agree that the leaked firmware should have been flashed to the N900.
Incidently MY N900 now fully supports USSD and the GPS works brilliant, for those that have not flashed this leaked firmware , is your N900 capable of dialing a star or an asterix?
Before you say anything MY N900 is working 100% better than ever before since i purchased it with absolutely NO problems whatsoever that i can find upto now.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Guys, isn't this poll kinda dumb? Of course it's going to be disappointing, it makes your N900 like a prisoner with the most girly hair and calls itself Bubba.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Most of you lot will not even admit facts thats a big problem here.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Engineer???


*whistle*

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

well why is everyone talking about the chinese version... im pretty sure the chinese version doesnt have dutch language support. my pr1.2 sure does! where is this version from?

By the way for everyone who wants to know. the josh06 torrent also supports fm transmitting. just tested it

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

I thought ysss was a professional life maximizer.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

I'm very glad that you aren't having any issues with your N900, but there are a lot more threads saying "My N900 is bricked" than "My N900 is now better"

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

There has been no updates since 16th feb this year and the massive amount of problems with the N900 have incurred since they installed apps from this community.
I cannot clarify anything here simply because you dont want to even try to listen or more to the point understand your very own words ! .

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

No.. you can't clarify anything here because you aren't making any sense.

Yes, people have had problems installing software from Devel.

No, it has nothing to do with anybody's "boot sector".

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

And how many if any of the bricked N900's are due to flashing with the leaked firmware? do you even know?.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

But i thought the N900 was for engineers only???

You know, engineers like abill_uk

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Are you capable of taking a complete dump of the entire OS of the N900?.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I have heard that most of the people with broken USB ports installed software from Extras, Extras-testing, or Extras-devel prior to the problem occurring.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

That's ironically not true.

abill_uk, I suggest laying off the mushrooms and Red Bull. Bad combination.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

the fscking OS does not reside in the boot sector!

Fricking Educate yourself!

If you take an entire dump of the OS you are taking a dump of the DAMN ROOT FILESYSTEM.

Before you sit and argue with a bunch of Developers, Administrators, Systems Engineers (Yes, I'm actually using this seriously now), and general Linux Guru's at the very least try and get your terminology right.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

All hardware is the same in the n900. mine worked without a problem. if you download the josh06 version you still have radio transmitting enabled and everything works.

if people brick their devices its not because of this firmware but because they dont know how to reflash.

There is nothing wrong with this 1.2 version. everything works

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

This is NOT true (on my opinion)! There are only more warnings from people, which didn't try at all. I nearly read all posts since Sunday morning, only found one person which has this reboot issue (which depends on something else, i believe).

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

Problem with the USB port is bad design by Nokia and the constant use of it literally breaks it clean off the pcb.

But we will carry on this debate because i will make sense to even those playing ignorant.... eventually.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

@abill_uk

You may be a wonderful PCB CAD design engineer but I humbly ask you'd take the advice that's been given to you a couple of times already and brush up your knowledge about software in general before you start making these claims.

It's extremely counterproductive that people here have to spend so much time and effort on correcting you. Even more so because you seem to be a bit on the stubborn side and the patronizing tone isn't really helpful.

Please.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

are you? Given your choice of words ("boot sector", "rewriting") I have to wonder if you actually have any idea what you're talking about.

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

wow you made me laugh. goooo fatalsaint




by the way. PR1.2 has given no trouble today at all. also ive noticed the touch screnn is way more sensitive. wwoooooo

Re: [Opinion Leaked PR1.2] Are we really to blame?
 

I don't think we have that much time or server space.

Re: [Leaked PR1.2 RC] Info and Discussion thread
 

Correcting me? no one is actually answering any of my questions and so far i have answered most of all yours.
I am patronizing simply because of the typical attitude from the replies on here.