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So, when will we hear the warning bells: Donate now, pre-orders closing soon? A deadline would be helpful. [off-topic rant; seriously, it's a local-transport bureaucracy-related matter]"Soon" which stretches for a month or more, without any deadline, is nerve-wracking.[/off-topic rant] 2D is good. SVG is good. It will take a lot of time to design it, though. It's not like I should be doing this at my workplace. And it's not like I have any free time at homeplace... So, I should be starting now, already. Better early than late... Putting all the relevant information into it, without violating any copyrights... That's complicated. And I am happy to hear that the kickstand is planned to be around-the-body (like N800?), so that it does not interrupt the logo-surface of backcover [yes, I am planning on logo that covers the whole back-cover of device. No words whatsoever, 'just picture']. And it obviously should be in black-and-white. No colour, no grey. Right? Having a sample photograph of engraving-capability would be ... enlightening. Having a standard for logo-image, with ability to 'preview' logo 'overlayed' onto the surfaces would be good. Off-topic. Sanity is relative... Subjective... Shortly, sanity has no strict mathematical definition or standard physical unit of measurement. Thank you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Per aspera ad astra... |
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Then copyrights do not enter the equation, you are allowed to do just anything you like in this case, nobody is preventinf you even to engrave a copy of mona lisa there :D |
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As for deadline - soorry, no deadline for whole body replacement, as it's completely unpredictable and missing it anyway just annoys people. I can promise a warning at least month before closing pre-order donations, and by that time, BTW, project will have proper annoucement threads (which is going to happen as soon as first variant of backcovers goes off to early supporters, and become available for regular purchase). /Estel // Edit Don't take the N800's leg for granted, too. I will +try+ hard to have it that way, but I can't promise that it will end up beaing feasible. Considering that we're going to have additional port for external antenna + other features added, while still requiring to fit all vanilla N900's ports where they are, and keep sane size of the unit (so it won't, suddenly, become a tablet-sized device with 3,5'' screen ;) )... Many things may require solid rethink during the actual prototype's manufacturing. |
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Status update after a little longer, busy period - run into some serious problem during manufacturing batches of backcover parts. Some part of CNC mill got faulty in unusual way - while everything keep sizes, it loses correct angles (so milled rectangular wouldn't be as much rectangular as it should be). While it's not visible easily by naked eye, it makes things don't fit where/as they should (most notable on leg not being able to go into it's place, and clamps not hitting N900 cover, correctly).
Still trying to pinpoint the exact component that is causing "jitter" on angles - which basically mean disassembling CNC's machine mechanical parts, and, as nothing is visually damaged, checking for the faulty one with precise tools. On moment's like this, I miss not having x-ray fault detectors... :( /Estel |
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Just out out curiosity, how much does an XRay fault detector of the kind you'd need to make these, kinds of problems go faster go for nowadays?
Besides that, how's the actual error-hunting going? Find the defective part?, What's the cost of replacement if so? |
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"generic" industry-scale ones, that scan one part at the time (suitable for checking for faults after production, on the "tape", rather - to scan parts of working machine, you would need to disassemble it, anyway) which are costing more than couple of new CNC machines build from scratch. 2. Custom-made ones designed to scan whole machinery without disassembling (some of them, suited for always-running machines, can even scan during worktime), which are obscenely expensive, obviously. The latter were the ones I was referring to, but as said, it was a black humor joke. Quote:
I hope that the above was written understandably enough to not fall (completely, at least) into techno-babble category :p Anyway, I'm waiting for the replacement part from China (was able to order it using my savings funds), and will be 100% sure after mounting it in place. Will also need to check on that part every few months or so.(quite likely, without disassembling - just running the "mill the rectangle" test on something, and measuring resulting angles). /Estel *How I purchases replacement without knowing the English name for a part, you might ask? By using the digital age equivalent of ancient "gesture talk" technique - I send a photo of the faulty part to my CNC parts supplier of choice, which, more often than not, is most reliable way of buying less-common replacement things from china ;) Even IF you know the English name of a part, ordering it via name only may - and will, at some point - end up with you getting something totally different than meant to be... |
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Estel,
any news on the project? Stuff ready to be shipped and still on track? X-mas is coming, so I'd be delighted to have a new body 4 my beloved N900 ... kindest regards peb (p.s.. but again: thanks for your diligent work and the project ...) |
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Oh, and btw: with the Neo900 around the corner (sort of ...):
Any idea if the internals of the Neo900 and the body-work of you will be compatible <dreaming on> so to have up2date Internals AND up2date + customized enclosure . <dreaming off> regards peb |
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It will be compatible, as the Neo900 does not differ that much from N900 in terms of size, except that you will need the spacer for the Neo900 as the motherboard is a bit tall.
EDIT: Unless the body is built completely different than how the N900 is right now. I'm currently assuming that the body does not differ that much from what it is now, except probably a few modifications here and there. |
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Great Akkumaru,
at least I made then an investment into the Future!. So I just/still have to donate to the Neo900, which i'll do latest on the 15th Dec (CashFlow 2 be considered ...it's on the list for next week). and then I hope to have all components pretty soon ... Q1/2015 would be good, my birthday is then just around the corner :-) thanks again! peter |
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Try asking estel for OFFICIAL information, what I said is just what I think it might be like..
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Any hypothetical device that aims to be contact-point compatible with N900's board layout - as in "you can put it into N900's outer body, with or without special 3rd party spacer frames, cause contact points for antennas, battery, etc. are in the same place" - which include Neo900 specifications the last time I had any interest in that project, will be fully compatible with body replacement.
It's yet to be seen if all extended functionality of body replacement is going to work fine with 3rd party things, as it is dependent on what the 3rd party actually put on their motherboard (for example, body replacement is going to have external connector for all antennas, using the hirose U.FL connectors found on N900's mobo - obviously, if some other mobo lack hirose [or any, at all] connectors for antennas, no joy with that functionality), but the "basic" things must be compatible. Any changes in body replacement general mechanics in comparison to original body might only tackle things like joints (for example, clips aren't super aluminum-friendly) and such things, but certainly won't tackle changing basic geometry of device (like, putting screen under keyboard, for example ;) ). I'm especially aware of the need to consider thicker motherboards as a way of being future-proof, so there shouldn't be any major issues with spacers or other things making our beloved device even more bulkier. /Estel |
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What would be the effect of metel on compass and nfc wifi 5ghz etc ?
just asking as say your body replacement goes like "wow i want that thing " then a bit of hypothetical neo900 mods wont hurt if applicable as i believe a lot of your customers do care about that ;) |
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NFC would be one more antenna to put outside the metal-body (via external connector), along with WiFi-Bluetooth and Cellular and FM. Magnetic sensor... Not sure how it can be handled. Estel? Best wishes. |
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P.S. What ever happened to "Backcover Press Service" or whatever that user was, who, along with Estel, were originally planning on releasing regular bimonthly updates (or something like that)? |
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Thank you, Best wishes. |
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Quite off topic but I'm wondering why this thread has "gangnam_style" tag? :p
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As i understand this is opensource project with transparency, so i wonder how many people have donated and how much?
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Does it matter ? Give or take 3 years since announcement ;)
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...and two months since the last "bi-weekly" update ;)
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Sure, I think it matters - if people want to know, I think people ought to know. I know originally Estel wanted to keep some donation amounts unrevealed just in case the large donation amounts demotivated other possible small donations from being made.
I didn't know of any any studies proving or disproving whether or not that would be a significant risk, or whether or not that would be outweighed by effects transparency might have towards motivating more donations, and didn't have the time or desire to investigate just in case disagreement was needed, so I left it at that at the time. That said, I believe at the time he did express some level of interest in publishing the donations eventually. |
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Main question is because i wonder is because of as i understand no one got the "thing" in three years and Estel is pretty active on this forum(specially bashing the work of others) and if there were almost no money and i would understand that nothing was produced or he just did not nice ting and it should be prevented in future.
I think we need a wiki of trusted/untrested people :P |
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I well realise there are issues and by no means am suggesting you or any one else be quiet. But please be careful of the consequences of all words used or actions suggested. |
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I would buy it for sure!
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perhaps Estel and / someone closer to the development is able to share the next steps / progresses.
I'm also eagerly waiting for my backed enclosures ... probably it will get delivered after technology change made the n900 obsolete:( any updates possible? peter |
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Any updates about N800-style leg? Or anything else...
Thank you. Best wishes. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Per aspera ad astra... |
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ok, I have not heard anything new -- anyone else?
kindest regards peter |
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Estel has been MIA since mid-Feb. I remember he once disappeared only to reappear after an illness. I hope this is not the same And if not, then the silence is disconcerting and folk will draw their own conclusions.
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I think it's coming onto three years since I purchased the $70 aluminium case. I'm not sure what's going on. I've never forgotten about this project, but I always kept it in the back of my mind assuming it had made progress.
I have now lost interest in the case. I'd like the money back. |
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If you paid by cteditcard, you could try and ask for cashback . Unfortunately, probably will be out of luck, due to the time that have passed by now.
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While we wait.
Put this in your terminal. Code:
for((P=10**8,Q=P/100,X=320*Q/(`tput cols`-1),Y=210*Q/`tput lines`,y=-105*Q,v=-2\ |
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I just skimmed through the previous 20 pages and I can clearly say he has kept us on edge the whole time. At this rate, I could've gone back to my old high school and used the CNC Miller to make some sort of case. Heck, I could've designed the case myself and sent it to be produced. As you can see, I was looking forward to this community project. I think the best thing he can do to save his word, is to give back everyone's pre order. When its finally made in production and he's ready, then potential consumers should be given the option to buy. |
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Ok, back off! Or you are beginning to sound like shark(s)... Hounding a human just because he has real life, with its own problems, besides this long-ish project...
As this very helpful post indicates, you are free to try to make the case yourself on any LinuxCNC-powered mill: https://gitorious.org/fremantle-backcover-replacement . So do not blame him for your procrastination... He hasn't given a precise deadline when the case would be ready for mass-production, right? He is not here. He cannot hear your words, or answer to them; nor should he be obliged to give back everyone's pre order just because one person said so. Depending on whether he is contact-able or not, customers may be able to revoke their pre-orders - their individual pre-orders, not everybody's. But I personally wholly expect that 1. early pre-order customers would be given priority over late customers; 2. having people attack him "em masse" for the perceived delays would discourage him from producing the case, ever - it's not like he would receive great profit from the production... Hardware's mods research is costly... Best wishes. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Per aspera ad astra... [Edit] Actually, the published files are the final design of backcover, not whole case. Ok, it's still better starting point for whole-body-case than no files at all. And I do wonder whether he got distracted by looking for "a reliable communication center". Why are people so prone to thinking that the lights will go off soon?.. Do not despair, do not despair, The time will come, we shall repair All that our hands can possibly reach, Even if hardly anybody can us teach... Over the distance, across the time, Instead of biting into a green lime, We wander through the cold of slime, And thaw the sharp edges of the rime... [/Edit] |
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I don't think Estel is a bad guy, I just think he is overly optimistic in his ability to supply items for sale at a proper price and his ability to deliver after being paid.
A few years ago he offered two N900s for sale in like new condition with reinforced USB ports. I decided it was easier for me to buy one for about $50 more than average eBay like new used with the work already done and tested than to take the small risk and time to resolder another N900 for my wife. I paid by Paypal and waited for months for the phone to arrive, I ended up getting a refund from paypal as the phone simply never arrived. Several months after this I received what appeared to be a well used refurb with soldered USB in the mail, paypal took back the price of the phone form me to pay Estel and also took an additional ~25% fee from me, this 'like new' phone was a bad deal, I have gotten used N900s in far better shape without any cigarette smell for much less. The phone from Estel's SD card slot never worked. The phone died within four months and the USB became unusable after about two. I believe that Estel thought in good faith that he could supply a like-new phone to me, I think he still believes he can someday in the deep future supply an Al case for Nokia antique collectors though I still wonder how he will solve RF issues. After my phone buying experience I still consider Estel a good source of Maemo5/N900 info on TMO but I would never do business with him again. |
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First of all, I'm no where near ''hounding'' anyone. If you bothered to read my message, you would of understood the part where I wrote, '' I'm not even concerned about the money I gave him''. You got reading issues or you're blindly defending him? Quote:
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You do come off as very aggressive. Telling me to back off and give best wishes in the same post? :confused: I have a right to ask the OP what I want and how I feel. Reading the comments along the pages have also lead me to believe certain theories. I honestly don't care about the money. It's not about that. I'm sure he has had personal issues which may or may not be the reason to this obscene delay. I just don't understand why a final product hasn't been made and designed in almost three years and counting. At the end of the day, I'm not blaming the guy nor am I 'hounding' or 'attacking' him. I honestly do think he is a decent person who has given sound input to this community and it's a shame he goes missing every once in a while. |
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@Jaag, think of it like crowdfunding via Indiegogo.
It is stated in their very rules that when you choose to sponsor someone who is arranging a flexigoal project the money can be considefed gone in the wind the very second that you press the "send" button. The project owner can choose to cash out and never deliver the promised project, and there is no way to get your money back. Now there are at least 3 kinds of people there; pure scam artists who just want donation and never attempt to make anything, honest people who just happen to fail to deliver and the rare few who actually can deliver. Now can you ask more from a single developer arranging a crowdfunding by himself alone when the official institutions behave like I explained? |
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I think everyone here has a point seriously, I do - lets stay cool.
Estel was ill on a previous, extended absence (otherwise he was banned :-), so let us see.... |
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