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xerxes2 2012-12-24 10:37
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Ok I got a response in #mer:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
probably a better topic for #jollamobile, but probably 4, 2.7, and 0.10 (but that's a bit up in air)
So it's basically what was shipped with Harmattan.

Morpog 2012-12-24 10:50
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it's 4.8
10 chars

xerxes2 2012-12-24 11:17
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Yeah of course, just to clarify. It's qt-4.8.x, python-2.7.x and gstreamer-0.10.x. Qt and Python are very unlikely to change as it's too much work involved but i wouldn't be surprised if they bump Gstreamer to 1.0.x as it's very similar to the 0.10.x series.

switch-hitter 2012-12-24 12:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurrian (Post 1305710)
It's good to see that people are doing feature stories on Jolla though - people have faith in them, unlike the anemic coverage on Tizen (which was, and is pretty telling)
Tizen will get plenty of coverage once Samsung and/or Huawei release a device. As two of the three largest smartphone manufacturers in the world are backing it I don't see any reason to doubt Tizen.

Also don't forget Bada, which Tizen will replace, has consistently outsold Windows Phone yet you don't see any coverage of Bada either.

Tizen has a really good API and it's going to be released as a PC distro too. I'm really looking forward to Tizen smartphones being available, I just hope they wont be too locked down.

qwazix 2012-12-25 10:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xerxes2 (Post 1307289)
Yeah of course, just to clarify. It's qt-4.8.x, python-2.7.x and gstreamer-0.10.x. Qt and Python are very unlikely to change as it's too much work involved but i wouldn't be surprised if they bump Gstreamer to 1.0.x as it's very similar to the 0.10.x series.
That's a good thing in my book as we all know what happened to harmattan by trying to rework to include the latest things the last moment.

Rugoz 2012-12-26 10:51
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Quote:
Yeah of course, just to clarify. It's qt-4.8.x, python-2.7.x and gstreamer-0.10.x. Qt and Python are very unlikely to change as it's too much work involved but i wouldn't be surprised if they bump Gstreamer to 1.0.x as it's very similar to the 0.10.x series.
Regarding Qt 5, they still have quite some time until summer. I don't have any experience in writing QML GUIs for the N9, but I heard there are performance issues and Qt Quick 2 should perform much better so it would be a shame if it were not included.

Maybe someone could share his experience on the matter.

erendorn 2012-12-26 11:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1307858)
Regarding Qt 5, they still have quite some time until summer. I don't have any experience in writing QML GUIs for the N9, but I heard there are performance issues and Qt Quick 2 should perform much better so it would be a shame if it were not included.

Maybe someone could share his experience on the matter.
What about providing both at the same time (Qt 4.8 and 5.0/5.1, at least as "experimental" for the 5.x ones and presenting 4.8 as the official way)?
There shouldn't be any conflict. But I don't know how much work it would be to port a correctly working 5.0 version to sailfish.

shmerl 2012-12-27 22:23
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Qt 5 is already included in Mer (though in beta1 form yet), so one should be able to install it on the Jolla device as well (it's supposed to coexist with Qt 4 normally). So even if it's not there out of the box, it should be available as an option for applications which depend on it. Except that I don't know how Sailfish will manage dependency on Mer releases (i.e. on which particular release it'll depend on from the start, and how often they'll update that dependency).

For example see all related qt5 packages at:
http://releases.merproject.org/relea...kages/armv7hl/

So figure out in which Mer release Qt 5 will be upgraded to the stable version, and how it will combine with Sailfish dependency on Mer releases.

Fuzzillogic 2012-12-27 23:23
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I'd sure hope they support Qt5. I've merely dabbled a bit with QML on the N9, but I really like it. Qt5 will take QML and Qt Quick 2.0 to the next level from what I gather from the PR-talk, which would be excellent news for creating apps.

mariusmssj 2012-12-28 12:40
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Jolla Aims to be Alternative to Android

WSJ: Where does the name Jolla come from?
Quote:
Mr. Pienimaki: It means a one-man sailor boat in Finnish. The idea is that there is this big sea with great opportunity. You start to sail yourself there alone – it’s a bit of an adventure and a bit dangerous, but you still want to take this adventure because you see that there is this great opportunity. Nokia was going through a massive transition in 2011 with lots of layoffs and we were able to recruit key talent including engineers that had worked on the MeeGo project. (MeeGo is a mobile operating system that Nokia was developing with Intel Corp. until the project was abandoned in early 2011.)

WSJ: How big is the company now and what are your expansion plans?
Quote:
Mr. Pienimaki: We have a bit more than 50 people, mostly in Finland and two R&D sites. And we are now ramping up other locations. We have a data center in Cyberport, in Hong Kong. In China, we have a sales and marketing agreement with a retail chain called D-Phone. The deal was signed in July.

WSJ: In addition to developing a smartphone, Jolla is also working on a mobile operating system that could become a competitor to Android and Apple’s iOS. Tell us about your platform called Sailfish.
Quote:
Mr. Pienimaki: It’s an open source platform but we have proprietary elements in it. The core operating system components are very much open source. It has a full operating system and a user interface. It allows for multi-tasking.

WSJ: How do you plan to generate revenue?
Quote:
Mr. Pienimaki: We want to sell Jolla-brand phones and license our Sailfish operating system so that OEMs can use the operating system. We are a challenger in the marketplace and it will take time. But there is a good opportunity with the operating system. It’s one of the few independent options available in the market.

WSJ: Longer term, do you want to be seen as a company that makes smartphones or do you want to be like Google, offering software?
Quote:
Mr. Pienimaki: We understand the needs and the challenges of the marketplace and we know how to make a competitive combination of hardware and software. It’s a very challenging engineering environment and we truly understand that. By introducing a new user interface, applications and innovation through the platform, we’d be showing the way.

WSJ: When can consumers see Jolla phones?
Quote:
Mr. Pienimaki: Hopefully in the first quarter of next year.

WSJ: How will you price your smartphone?
Quote:
Mr. Pienimaki: It makes no sense to go to the low-end. We will kill ourselves going there. For the Sailfish operating system, it also doesn’t make sense for us. It’s a much more feasible and sustainable model that we position this as a something that is different, unique and offers scale for the users. So it makes sense to focus on the premium segment of the market. Sailfish can also be used on set-top boxes, smart TVs and in the automotive industry.

WSJ: Can you give us an update on your fundraising? Would you look at an initial public offering?
Quote:
Mr. Pienimaki: We are looking at an IPO in 2013 but that’s something we’ll communicate more next year. It’s definitely an option for us.

WSJ: Where would you list?
Quote:
Mr. Pienimaki: Hong Kong would be a possibility, but it’s likely that we’ll look first at Scandinavia. But it’s something that’s still under planning.

mariusmssj 2012-12-29 18:16
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More news for you guys :)

Hands-on with Jolla's Sailfish OS (video)

waldo 2012-12-29 18:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1308897)
I think that's the first I've seen the keyboard, looks the same as meego for the most part, I wonder if that skins with the ambiance as well as the rest of the UI

HELLASISGREECE 2012-12-29 18:58
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Still, Harmattan looks and works better.

Sailfish just seems out of place and confusing. swipe this , swipe that etc... my head hurts!

Dave999 2012-12-29 19:42
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LoL if they showing ambient one more time...thats so lame. Bring us the browser or somthing.

Who will use this ambient??

Morpog 2012-12-29 19:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waldo (Post 1308904)
I think that's the first I've seen the keyboard, looks the same as meego for the most part, I wonder if that skins with the ambiance as well as the rest of the UI
Seems like ambiance themed Keyboard. Great stuff!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1308916)
LoL if they showing ambient one more time...thats so lame. Bring us the browser or somthing.

Who will use this ambient??
I will all of the time! Imagine everytime you change your wallpaper you get a whole new theme created just to match that wallpaper, even in apps and keyboard, everywhere!

Dave999 2012-12-29 19:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1308919)
Seems like ambiance themed Keyboard. Great stuff!



I will all of the time! Imagine everytime you change your wallpaper you get a whole new theme created just to match that wallpaper, even in apps and keyboard, everywhere!

It's like you dont want to have full control. I perfer to build icons, light, images, keyboards like I want. I hope that is possible too. would be Great if you could connect a theme you create to a specific image and use ambient to change your created themes, other than that...Ok, Its atleast good for you :)

I wonder how open the UI will be.

Wikiwide 2012-12-29 19:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1308919)
I will all of the time! Imagine everytime you change your wallpaper you get a whole new theme created just to match that wallpaper, even in apps and keyboard, everywhere!
Any human-made theme is diligently hand-crafted by its developer. Automatic change of theme to match the wallpaper can work only if the algorithm used is close to artificial intelligence - or if the changes in the appearance are subtle, like change of some colours. It reminds me of personas and themes in Firefox-and-Seamonkey: duality, neither of the two can replace the other, as they complement each other.

Morpog 2012-12-29 20:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1308920)
It's like you dont want to have full control. I perfer to build icons, light, images, keyboards like I want. I hope that is possible too. would be Great if you could connect a theme you create to a specific image and use ambient to change your created themes, other than that...Ok, Its atleast good for you :)

I wonder how open the UI will be.
Well in harmattan theming wasn't officially possible. Thanks to our community we got some themes. But they are far away from themes like in Symbian.

I'm sure harmattan like hand made themes will be possible too in Sailfish. But I don't see much chrome/buttons that would be able to theme.

I've never changed the default theme in harmattan, as there were no good enough alternatives for me. But I changed my wallpaper very often and with Homescreen settings or N9 Quicktweak it was a bit like ambiance.


I for myself never change icons, as you always have to adapt for new aps. Thats why I always prefered themes with default icons on symbian. Sure it's nice to have themed icons that match the theme, but there will always be apps that are not included or too new and then it looks ugly again......

knobtviker 2012-12-29 20:26
I don't wanna sound harsh, but themes are dying ouy. With Ambiance every wallpaper generates an according theme. Which I think is the best approach and very cool.

Dave999 2012-12-29 20:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by knobtviker (Post 1308928)
I don't wanna sound harsh, but themes are dying ouy. With Ambiance every wallpaper generates an according theme. Which I think is the best approach and very cool.
I think you are wrong. I think its the themes that gives android the edge. You can build windows, iOS, harmattan or sailfish themes or almost whatever you want. I want to be able to change as much as possible. harmattan was a small step backwards from n900. I hope jolla take a step forward. Let's see what they comes up with.

Kaacz 2012-12-29 20:35
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Nice .. but without Events screen unusable for me. Events screen on N9 is my ergonomic MAIN screen. When unlock Phone, I want see Events! No running apps. Sad. :(
PS: yes, no one other OS has this feature. But i have it, i use it, i want it. It is GOOD. ;)

mariusmssj 2012-12-29 21:36
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For all those wondering about notification handling I think I understand how it will all be dealt with. (This is only my guess from videos and feedback that I have seen. (I did see a video where the guy swiped from right to left into some sort of event screen but he then swiped back) )

-You get a gext
--You double tap the screen and see this:
http://i.imgur.com/5koDd.png
---You swipe from right to left and there you go your in the events screen. As seen in icons you got texts, missed calls and ect there.
--Or swipe down to home screen

Hope this made sense :)

MINKIN2 2012-12-29 21:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1308916)
LoL if they showing ambient one more time...thats so lame. Bring us the browser or somthing.

Who will use this ambient??
I'm with Dave here, I wanna see the browser in action (we ha already seen this demo at slush, only in Finnish).

I have had to wait all day to watch this demo because the n9 browser sucks so much. I hope they have something good planned for viewing the web.

Kaacz 2012-12-29 21:56
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I no see Event screen on any videos. Never swiped right or left from unlock or main screen.
In Sailfish UI is main screen combined from screen 3 on top and screen 2 in bottom from Harmattan UI.
I need screen 1. from N9. Calendar Events, ToDo/tasks, Tweets, RSS, FB & YT messages ON ONE SCREEN. It's ergonomic.

waldo 2012-12-29 22:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaacz (Post 1308945)
I no see Event screen on any videos. Never swiped right or left from unlock or main screen.
In Sailfish UI is main screen combined from screen 3 on top and screen 2 in bottom from Harmattan UI.
I need screen 1. from N9. Calendar Events, ToDo/tasks, Tweets, RSS, FB & YT messages ON ONE SCREEN. It's ergonomic.
Nokia owns the swipe UI and jolla can't use it, that includes the notification screen. They might to do something similar, and its not yet ready to see. It wouldn't surprise me since they designed it in the first place. You can see things from meego like the accounts icon, so certain meego/maemo legacies will go on, but not swipe parts

waldo 2012-12-29 22:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1308929)
I think you are wrong. I think its the themes that gives android the edge. You can build windows, iOS, harmattan or sailfish themes or almost whatever you want. I want to be able to change as much as possible. harmattan was a small step backwards from n900. I hope jolla take a step forward. Let's see what they comes up with.
I also agree that themes are going away, I don't know anyone with android/ios that use or want them. They were good on symbian, but it was ugly. On meego they aren't really needed.
Do you really think meego was a step backwards? I used both n900 and the n9, and the n9 to me is so far beyond what the n900 every was. The swipe UI makes homescreens so wasteful and pointless. The 3 screen carousel with swipe to close is so natural and efficient. Sure you can customize the n900 more, but that doesn't mean better. I have maemo, meego, android, and symbian phones and nothing can get work done like the n9.

Kaacz 2012-12-29 22:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waldo (Post 1308948)
Nokia owns the swipe UI and jolla can't use it
Not. Jolla use SWIPE. Fully. SWIPE started off screen including.
And i not speak about swipe handling. I speak about one special screen. :)
PS: SWIPE is handling, not UI. BB10 use SWIPE too. UI is MeeGo/Harmattan. :)

waldo 2012-12-29 22:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaacz (Post 1308953)
Not. Jolla use SWIPE. Fully. SWIPE started off screen including.
And i not speak about swipe handling. I speak about one special screen. :)
PS: SWIPE is handling, not UI. BB10 use SWIPE too. UI is MeeGo/Harmattan. :)
"swipe UI" not just swipe, the UI nokia put on meego was called "swipe UI" and the 3 screens were part of that. The action of a swipe is a whole other thing

shmerl 2012-12-30 03:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj
Mr. Pienimaki: It’s an open source platform but we have proprietary elements in it.
Still not clear about it. Would it be UI, or just codecs and etc.?

optimaxxx 2012-12-30 08:41
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Hands-on with Jolla's Sailfish OS (video), http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/29/h...fish-os-video/

Just posted on Engadget!

Dave999 2012-12-30 09:25
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Isn't that the same video we just discussing in this thread?

Makeclick 2012-12-30 09:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by optimaxxx (Post 1309019)
Hands-on with Jolla's Sailfish OS (video), http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/29/h...fish-os-video/

Just posted on Engadget!
We got that already :)

Makeclick 2012-12-30 10:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaacz (Post 1308953)
Not. Jolla use SWIPE. Fully. SWIPE started off screen including.
And i not speak about swipe handling. I speak about one special screen. :)
PS: SWIPE is handling, not UI. BB10 use SWIPE too. UI is MeeGo/Harmattan. :)
I can't believe, that Nokia owns that way of movin in OS? Same if someone owns PC mouse cursor.. not make any sense..

I don't understand why UI is made moving up and down? Why not side to side like N9 "meego"? Or maybe it is, because they don't want to use forward and back buttons, so left and right "swipe" positions are available all the time?

Well.. we can only wait and see, but we do not get Sailfish OS image after all, on the N9? Do someone has info about this?

MartinK 2012-12-30 10:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1308989)
Still not clear about it. Would it be UI, or just codecs and etc.?
Well, the openness of the UI is still a big question.

Other than that, things I would expect to be closed: audio/video codecs, some drivers, Chinese input methods, Flash (if available), that Android runtime and maybe some of the distinguishing Jolla made applications & maybe some third-party apps (official Twitter, Facebook, etc. apps).

m4r0v3r 2012-12-30 12:23
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I just hope they don't use the 3rd party apps from the N9 for twitter and FB, they were disgustingly horrendous, I mean the stock stuff

Dave999 2012-12-30 12:37
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The only thing that I am exited about is how sailfish handles android apps. The rest seems to be same old. Simply look at this as an expensive demo toy. Nothing bad about that. You have to start somewhere.

minimos 2012-12-30 22:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1308919)
I will all of the time! Imagine everytime you change your wallpaper you get a whole new theme created just to match that wallpaper, even in apps and keyboard, everywhere!
I see already a Profilematic_for_Sailfish with a rule to change the ambiance depending if the device is detecting the SSID from the office, home, etc. :D

Kaacz 2012-12-31 00:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waldo (Post 1308948)
Nokia owns the swipe UI and jolla can't use it, that includes the notification screen. They might to do something similar, and its not yet ready to see. It wouldn't surprise me since they designed it in the first place. You can see things from meego like the accounts icon, so certain meego/maemo legacies will go on, but not swipe parts
" SWIPE function" and "SWIPE UI" are two different things. "Swipe UI" is only trademark name. Realy is it "Harmattan UI". For me: "Nokia Swipe UI" = "Harmattan UI". "SWIPE" is hand gesture control.
Don't mismatch both to one.

mariusmssj 2012-12-31 09:43
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From comments on gsmarena, engadget and other places many people say it looks like copy android with a touch of Windows Phone and peeking from BB10.

I wonder will the final product be different from what we have been shown in these videos

Dave999 2012-12-31 09:56
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It will be the same.(depending on what you mean)


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