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Dave999 2015-07-06 15:14

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tommo (Post 1475831)
So if you ordered from indiegogo, there's no choice of material (walnut only)

Also saw a tweeterthing stating indiegogo case will be shipped together with the mythical tablet :D

yes, and you couldn't get free engraving. I'm planning to add "jPad" on mine :D

however, it was slightly cheaper in the indiegogo.

skvark 2015-07-06 15:14

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Originally Posted by Bubbless (Post 1475829)
So that's what, another 4-6 weeks of delay at least?

I would go for 1 month. It wasn't so hard to guess that the tablet is going to be delayed again when I saw the one comment in the Jolla blog about the problems with ODM. At that point there's not much that Jolla can do to speed up things. Good that they finally published an update after all this silence.

mscion 2015-07-06 15:14

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What does

"where you will finalize your contribution"

mean? Its in the second paragraph.

cvp 2015-07-06 15:23

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... ok... end August..... maybe!

tommo 2015-07-06 15:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1475832)
yes, and you couldn't get free engraving. I'm planning to add "jPad" on mine :D

however, it was slightly cheaper in the indiegogo.

Honestly can't remember how much it was, I remember it being the most expensive case I'd ever bought (luggage included :D)

If we can get custom engraving, I might add 'coming soon' on the back :p

Bubbless 2015-07-06 15:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1475834)
What does

"where you will finalize your contribution"

mean? Its in the second paragraph.

Confirm shipping address, pay VAT?

ggabriel 2015-07-06 16:06

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tommo (Post 1475836)
Honestly can't remember how much it was, I remember it being the most expensive case I'd ever bought (luggage included :D)

49 USD - not too much IMO considering the price now.

Dave999 2015-07-06 16:15

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Guys, The good news is that we can continue to speculate in this thread for another month. I see no down side with this as long jolla update us more often.

What do you think the screen issue is about? If they couldn't solve it in 2.5 month since last blog post we could be in for a...the winter is coming!

Maybe switch to a third display?

ggabriel 2015-07-06 16:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1475840)
What do you think the screen issue is about?

Can't you see the pretty picture? The tablet can't connect the motherboard and the display, it's simple.

MINKIN2 2015-07-06 16:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubbless (Post 1475837)
Confirm shipping address, pay VAT?

I do hope the VAT thing is for the American buyers (we know they have their stately tax system), because the folks in the EU expect tax to be included in the overall total.

MisterMaster 2015-07-06 16:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1475843)
I do hope the VAT thing is for the American buyers (we know they have their stately tax system), because the folks in the EU expect tax to be included in the overall total.

From Jolla's indiegogo page:

Does the Perk price include VAT or other taxes?

No, contributor is responsible for paying any taxes and duties related to his/her shipping country. Tax, customs fees and other applicable customs charges are not included in the price of the tablet. Once we get close to the delivery date, we will ask you to confirm your shipping address and we will instruct you on VAT payments if you live in Europe.

juiceme 2015-07-06 16:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1475843)
I do hope the VAT thing is for the American buyers (we know they have their stately tax system), because the folks in the EU expect tax to be included in the overall total.

You need to remember that taxes are a good thing, taxes keep the government healthy so it can provide you with all the nice freebies.

Income tax is good but VAT and property taxes are even better!
Be a happy taxpayer! :D

Dave999 2015-07-06 16:58

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jolla smartphone includes VAT but tablet may not? Why is that...do they ship tablet from hong kong and phone from Muumilaakson tarinoita?

r0kk3rz 2015-07-06 17:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1475846)
jolla smartphone includes VAT but tablet may not? Why is that...do they ship tablet from hong kong and phone from Muumilaakson tarinoita?

They are shipping to countries that don't do VAT, so it makes sense to separate it out.

Dave999 2015-07-06 18:39

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Game on...who will ship first?
Nokia or Jolla...
http://www.mobile57.com/review_image...-650-x-419.jpg

Copernicus 2015-07-06 18:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1475851)
Game on...who will ship first?
Nokia or Jolla...

Er, why would anyone care? :) (Is there anything of interest in the Nokia tablet? I can't see any reason why someone would prefer their offering over the competition...)

mscion 2015-07-06 18:55

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I was just wondering which I will get first. My TOHKB or Jolla tablet...

Dave999 2015-07-06 19:14

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1475852)
Er, why would anyone care? :) (Is there anything of interest in the Nokia tablet? I can't see any reason why someone would prefer their offering over the competition...)

Lets say a random Guy planning to go his summer house for vacation, in a quite remote and beautiful place. Imagine this Guy wakes up first day of vacation, fixing some breakfast and while drinking the hand made coffee and wants to read some news but suddenly all tablets are used by others. The guy needs an extra tablet fast, jolla is the first choice, but they are slipping, vacation closing in. The guy needs a back up. Nokia N1 shows up...the game is on...the guy might care ;)

Copernicus 2015-07-06 19:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1475854)
The guy needs an extra tablet fast, jolla is the first choice, but they are slipping, vacation closing in. The guy needs a back up. Nokia N1 shows up...the game is on...the guy might care ;)

The guy must be nuts, then. ;) The Nokia N1 is a bland Android tablet, same as all the millions of other Android tablets available on the market today. And Nokia itself has nothing to do with such devices, anyway; the guy would do better to get a device directly from a company that actually designs and manufactures Android tablets, like Samsung, or LG, or HTC. (And these devices are already available today, no need to wait...)

Dave999 2015-07-06 19:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1475855)
The guy must be nuts, then. ;) The Nokia N1 is a bland Android tablet, same as all the millions of other Android tablets available on the market today. And Nokia itself has nothing to do with such devices, anyway; the guy would do better to get a device directly from a company that actually designs and manufactures Android tablets, like Samsung, or LG, or HTC. (And these devices are already available today, no need to wait...)

What's the fun in that when you can try something "new".

Either way, when do you think we get a memo if they push the release or not?

Copernicus 2015-07-06 20:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1475857)
Either way, when do you think we get a memo if they push the release or not?

I would imagine we'll get a memo the exact same day that they decide they can no longer make the end of July. I doubt that Jolla itself has quite given up on that yet, considering their blog:

Quote:

Our end-July shipping target may be affected by the extra work necessary to complete the display switch. We are monitoring the status daily, and will keep you informed of the situation.
So at least someone in the company is still hopeful that the hardware issues will be ironed out fairly soon...

Dave999 2015-07-06 20:20

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Three event must happen and I would assume both 1 and 2 takes approx a week. Would you dare to instal sw in tablet without (The final) screen could save some time. But would never ship a product like that. (Given its hw-related). If it's sw-related it might be possible...with some skill and lot of luck.
  • Flash the sw (by jolla like the phones?) They ship from Asia..?
  • Send out address, vat email and collect responses
  • Pack and ship

I cant see how they could pull this off before end of July...Unless starting tomorrow...

gerbick 2015-07-07 04:48

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I just wonder if you guys are taking into consideration the complexity of launching a new device like the Jolla Tablet. New version of the OS, new hardware ODM, new... Well a lot.

If a wait means it'll be better when I get it, so be it. IIRC the Nexus 9 was internally delayed more than the couple of months for the Jolla Tablet so far and Google and HTC are considerably larger.

Foolishly or not; I'll grant Jolla my faith for now. But it doesn't mean that I expect it to ship until August. And that's fine with me. Gives me more time with Android M Preview.

Dave999 2015-07-07 04:58

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gerbick, we are taking everything in consideration. however, its not much to consider :D

gerbick 2015-07-07 05:01

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1475869)
gerbick, we are taking everything in consideration. however, its not much to consider

Other than your rampant nonsensical posts based on speculation and conjecture?

So... nothing has changed at all indeed. Seriously man, not even your beloved Ubuntu Edge came to the market. Yet Jolla did. Let's see how it plays out.

Dave999 2015-07-07 05:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1475870)
Other than your rampant nonsensical posts based on speculation and conjecture?

So... nothing has changed at all indeed. Seriously man, not even your beloved Ubuntu Edge came to the market. Yet Jolla did. Let's see how it plays out.

yep, I love speculations, no doubt. the main thing to conider is what jollas providing, like their edtimated delivery days. personally I consider the complexity to be included in there somewhere.

yep, love crowdfunding too and new products. ubuntu edge was a great campaign execution with an impossible goal and bad end result. jolla is doing a bad campaign but hopfully with happy ending and a great product. why bring up ubuntu?

anyone knows what percentage to use to import jolla tabket to different countries. is it standard import tax jolla call vat?

ggabriel 2015-07-07 08:36

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1475871)
anyone knows what percentage to use to import jolla tabket to different countries. is it standard import tax jolla call vat?

My understanding is that it's VAT - import tax hasn't been mentioned, but it's a good point _if_ the tablet comes from HK; however, you would normally pay that on delivery, i.e., your postal service will charge you that as opposed to Jolla.

I suppose these detials are being worked out now and we'll know more -guess when?- soon!

tommo 2015-07-07 09:13

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https://mobile.twitter.com/Lastucase...74615856021504

If the case is coming in the same shipment as the tablet, this would indicate that the tablets will be in finland... maybe. Unless they hope to find each other in some kind of international postal hub :D

juiceme 2015-07-07 09:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1475871)
yep, love crowdfunding too and new products. ubuntu edge was a great campaign execution with an impossible goal and bad end result.

No.

Ubuntu Edge was a marketing campaign for Ubuntu Touch, it was never meant to succeed as a crowdfunding campaign.
The timeline and goal was delibrately set up so that it was not possible to succeed. I consider it an evil piece og marketing and misinformation. Really cheap and ugly. I hate that kind of thing.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1475871)
jolla is doing a bad campaign but hopfully with happy ending and a great product. why bring up ubuntu?

Indeed. Why bring it up, they are worlds apart.

Dave999 2015-07-07 09:53

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1475883)
No.

Ubuntu Edge was a marketing campaign for Ubuntu Touch, it was never meant to succeed as a crowdfunding campaign.
The timeline and goal was delibrately set up so that it was not possible to succeed. I consider it an evil piece og marketing and misinformation. Really cheap and ugly. I hate that kind of thing.

Indeed. Why bring it up, they are worlds apart.

OK, lets leave it here then :D

ste-phan 2015-07-07 10:05

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I am not difficult customer, patient, after no Nokia N1000x with Maemo 6.0 forever no more this one can wait long time and no special need thin and sexy device.
So for helping solve problem of display not fit in sexy and thin tablet , Jolla can make more thick by 1 Metric cm and add keyboard , user replace battery, fat audio DAC and input / output lines, HDMI and FMx chips.

Also I think Sailfish 2.0 takes lots of work but prepared to betatester.

mrsellout 2015-07-07 10:35

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1475871)
yep, I love speculations, no doubt. the main thing to conider is what jollas providing, like their edtimated delivery days. personally I consider the complexity to be included in there somewhere.

yep, love crowdfunding too and new products. ubuntu edge was a great campaign execution with an impossible goal and bad end result. jolla is doing a bad campaign but hopfully with happy ending and a great product. why bring up ubuntu?

anyone knows what percentage to use to import jolla tabket to different countries. is it standard import tax jolla call vat?

It's foolish to compare the Ubuntu Edge and Jolla tablet campaigns.

There is no real comparison.

One achieved its pledge target, the other failed, and thus was never able to hit the roadblocks and obstacles that the Jolla campaign has.

All there was of the Edge campaign was the crowd-funding phase, they never actually built anything - not even a working prototype.

vistaus 2015-07-07 11:03

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I'm more sad that we still can't test SOS 2.0 on the Jolla Phone, even in an unsupported way (the way we got 1.4 and 1.6 early before it went to early testers) :(

ggabriel 2015-07-07 11:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vistaus (Post 1475896)
I'm more sad that we still can't test SOS 2.0 on the Jolla Phone, even in an unsupported way (the way we got 1.4 and 1.6 early before it went to early testers) :(

Uh? There is early testing (early adopters), not early early adopters. And presumably you'll get the same opportunity with 2.0? Nobody denied that at least...

vistaus 2015-07-07 12:16

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There's early early adopters if you know your way around the terminal which is what I was pointing at. And I want to upgrade to 2.0 using that way but that's not possible yet.

ggabriel 2015-07-07 12:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vistaus (Post 1475919)
There's early early adopters if you know your way around the terminal which is what I was pointing at. And I want to upgrade to 2.0 using that way but that's not possible yet.

OK - so you refer to an unofficial way of upgrading that depends on Jolla making mistakes with their repositories or you guessing new repository names.

Dave999 2015-07-07 13:01

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I dont think we can excpect another official leak from jolla. But a sneak peak video would be nice addition in the next blog post...It would be a nice way to say sorry for another delay...given its another delay. It could also be a nice way to kick of an interactive release party next weeks. If it was me I think I would have it at toghter.jolla.

maybe create 12 short videos and revealing one every hour and then last one of a the first shipped tablet. have some press kit ready to send out after the twelve hour release party. what I feel missing in this campaign is an information engine...hope some steps up at the end.

especially important if jolla planning to sell anymore tablets at release date...

switch-hitter 2015-07-07 18:20

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1475854)
Lets say a random Guy planning to go his summer house for vacation, in a quite remote and beautiful place. Imagine this Guy wakes up first day of vacation, fixing some breakfast and while drinking the hand made coffee and wants to read some news but suddenly all tablets are used by others. The guy needs an extra tablet fast, jolla is the first choice, but they are slipping, vacation closing in. The guy needs a back up. Nokia N1 shows up...the game is on...the guy might care ;)

Would you guys think less of me if I admitted to finding Dave999 quite funny? :D

Hypothetically, of course...

gerbick 2015-07-08 03:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1475983)
Would you guys think less of me if I admitted to finding Dave999 quite funny?

Yes... I'm soooooo disappointed.

Dave999 2015-07-08 11:56

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Funny or not. Here I come. You can't hide...

With recent event and the future epic split of the organization, could this have interfered with the tablet campaign in the past? or in the future with people moving to other areas, feeling less commited to the current work. while, this is unlikely, the questions must be asked.

either way, some QA session should be nice. cybette, make it happen please ;)

any live stream from jolla @Shanghai ?


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