maemo.org - Talk - Jolla Tablet Refunds (latest developments)

I've said before how lovely mine is, but I think, and I think others do too, that it would be bad taste to crow about it too much when so many people are waiting in frustration. Also don't forget that there are only 121 of us, and may not all be on here.

The tablet experience will be anyone's eventually though, as the work done on adapting Sailfish to larger screens means community tablet ports are now very possible, as are x86 adaptations. So everyone will be able to see how well suited Sailfish is to high res tablets.

My highlights: better landscape support, events screen layout with shortcuts on the right. Silica apps adapt well with virtually no effort - Quickddit is especially nice looking. Of course all the extra RAM means OOM is pretty much idle, and everything is very fluid. The new 4.4 dalvik is very nice too - it'll be a shame if that doesn't grt released on something else.

As much as I dislike the taobao hawkers, I'd probably get one off them right now if I were you.

100% agree...I posted months ago in the experience thread but only one other owner ever replied. I am completely happy with the tablet (its my first) and with the help of the community i got LLS Video player for the tablet and all sound codecs (DTS, AC3 etc) and now i can access all films / series from SD....1080p looks good and I never had a problem.

Reason i bought the tablet was to support Jolla and to access my music from NAS over Sonos. Works perfectly although i wish there would ever be a Salifish OS version so i can ditch Android. Bad you have to install Android support for only 1 App.

So basically there are happy owners and i am so glad i had the day free and watched the Jolla Talbet presentation online and stumbled on Indiego at the same time to buy as #75.

I still would have preferred that everybody gets their tablet and Sailfish Apps (paid or not) would be developed cause the tablet store is right now quite sad and i personally think wont change much now with under 700 tablets.

P.S.: I probably would also get one from Taobao if i didnt had mine now that someone flashed it succesfully.

billranton

2016-02-14 18:50

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet

The app situation is really not that bad. We're at a point where Sailfish will either diversify or die, and most apps are open source (except Jollas!). I've built lots of phone apps for the tablet with little or no problems. The one big hole is architecture filtering on openrepos. Warehouse works, and lots of devs have uploaded x86 packages with hi-res tweaks - a new version of quickddit went up there today with PPI based resizing on thumbnails.

Tsippaduida

2016-02-14 18:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hemiwi (Post 1498714)

One question on-topic:
Whats up with the split screen (Perk 2) and what has come to the partner space?

I do not know much about either, but if you check out
https://together.jolla.com/question/...201taalojarvi/
and use e.g. your browsers "search from page" -function with string "[partnerspace]", you'll see that something like that is progressing under the bonnet. And if you check out also few previous change logs, you'll see that it has been worked on quite some time.

Bundyo

2016-02-14 21:44

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1498778)

You know... the folks that actually received their Jolla tablet have been rather quiet. Only one bloke came here and seemingly wanting to capitalize on the folks here and another sold tablet that went rather quietly.

No real praise, concerns, reports or much of anything here from actual owners. That concerns me more than just this cyclic argument about who has said/meant what and how not to get a refund.

Perhaps it is just time to let the anger go. Let the disappointment go. The folks with the device(s) aren't saying much. So why are the folks without the device continuing on? There will be some refunds, it's a failed crowd funding campaign (note: this is my actual first failed backed campaign for me) and there's not much more to it.

Oh well...

I'm reading all this on the Jolla tablet, what is to praise? On the other hand it works rather well and I'm happy with it. :) Like most of you I also wait for a (second) tablet, which I won't get, but since I pledged for it just to help the campaign get higher, Jolla can consider it a donation.

jellyroll

2016-02-14 22:31

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There was no stable linux tablet before or after the annoucement of Jolla Tablet®. I don't think there will be anything like the Jolla tablet within the future. The best thing todo right now is cherish the time waiting on a the unexpected delivery boy with a Jolla table.

gerbick

2016-02-14 22:48

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Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 1498794)

I think you and the others have mistaken "quiet" for "silence". I'm not talking about much more than there's the raucous noise going about not having one. It would be grand to hear more about those with the tablet than without.

It's not about praise. It's all about input. And to be honest, I'm quite ****ing tired of the noise here. Would be nice to bring back information to these forums as opposed to being inundated with anger and ill-informed opinion each time I log in.

That is all. Thanks for posting your opinions, those with the tablet. Would love to see/hear more.

billranton

2016-02-14 23:04

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1498800)

That is all. Thanks for posting your opinions, those with the tablet. Would love to see/hear more.

I think that will start when the extra 540 have gone out. There weren't many N950s, but they had their own noisy club.

#jtabclub

gerbick

2016-02-14 23:22

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Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1498801)

I think that will start when the extra 540 have gone out. There weren't many N950s, but they had their own noisy club.

#jtabclub

Can I be honest? I'd rather not bring the N950 into the conversation because that brings up far too much negative feelings especially how some active and proficient developers were left out and of course the community council that decided they deserved one, voted upon that and got them and really didn't add much to the conversation here after the fact... but they sure as hell did sell on eBay for quite the price hike.

My point though is that the N950 has a very negative connotation around here to quite a few users.

On the other hand, the folks with the initial tablet shipments - I count 3 or so in recent posts, 5 or 6 in total that I've counted - have largely been quiet.

The next 540, I have no faith that it'll be any better. The standard has been set - perhaps sell on eBay or here and take advantage of some folks... the rest, just remain quiet.

I know that can be taken as "bitter" - it's an observation. It would be a heap better than page upon page of "SCAM" and other proclamations ad nauseum.

Thanks for your input. It is honestly appreciated by the community. I hope you and the Jolla Tablet brethren set a better precedent than the N950 owners did (well... they were under NDA though)

strongm

2016-02-15 00:09

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Originally Posted by prometheus (Post 1498758)

If a Campaign Owner is unable to perform on any promise and/or commitment to Contributors

The Jolla campaign contained the following disclaimer, if people bothered reading everything:

Disclaimer: Delivery of rewards/perks are subject to best efforts and not guaranteed.

So no promise or commitement.

billranton

2016-02-15 08:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1498802)

I know that can be taken as "bitter" - it's an observation. It would be a heap better than page upon page of "SCAM" and other proclamations ad nauseum.

Thanks for your input. It is honestly appreciated by the community. I hope you and the Jolla Tablet brethren set a better precedent than the N950 owners did (well... they were under NDA though)

Don't worry. Everything's going to be ok.

m4r0v3r

2016-02-15 09:49

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If these tablets find there way into the wild, the Android version, and are cheap. Think am going to buy one and stick SFOS onto it. It's already been done with no issues.

prometheus

2016-02-15 10:33

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Originally Posted by strongm (Post 1498805)

so they accepted general terms of use on IGG, but put their own where they don't promise anything. So tell me how this is not a scam...

JulmaHerra

2016-02-15 10:39

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Originally Posted by prometheus (Post 1498830)

so they accepted general terms of use on IGG, but put their own where they don't promise anything. So tell me how this is not a scam...

Using that logic, every failed crowdfunded project would be labeled as scam.

maxinflixion

2016-02-15 11:41

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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra (Post 1498831)

Using that logic, every failed crowdfunded project would be labeled as scam.

I think scam is definitely the wrong word here.

They started with the best intentions. They just misled and covered up with ambiguity their screw ups.

I do still wonder what the significance of "buying time" was. They announced the bad news after weeks of hot air, 366 days after the initial IGG announcement. Did they have to last a full year for something to be made official?

Dave999

2016-02-15 13:23

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Originally Posted by maxinflixion (Post 1498839)

Aha ah. So It's a coverUp...I knew something was fishy :D

zenecho

2016-02-15 15:19

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I have ordered a Tablet via yoybuy.com . Its been on hold due to the New Year. They have now updated the order to purchased. when They get it, I pay the taxes, shipping etc.. and then they send it on to me.

I dont want to make the situation here any worse

So the question is :

1/ Do I report back my progress, as and when it happens

or

2/ Just Shut the f**** Up?

nodevel

2016-02-15 15:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1498854)

Report, please.

Thank you for sharing the current state too - both are very valuable to all of us who need a tablet and are willing to undertake risk #2 with the Jolla Tablet, if we don't happen to be among the 540 lucky ones.

I know I could buy a cheap Android tablet instead (all I need it for is reading pdfs, currently), but there are two reasons I might risk the Chinese route:

I would love to develop some apps for the tablet.
It would be a shame if those tablets were to end up with Android in the hands of random people, rather than in this community.

PS: You can hardly make this thread any worse :) It is refreshing to see some helpful information.

Dave999

2016-02-15 15:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1498854)

you do as you please. IF you report back its great. IF you shut up its great Too.

Come as you are, as you were, as I want you to be
As a friend, as a friend, as an old enemy
Take your time, hurry up, the choice is yours, don't be late.

mrsellout

2016-02-15 17:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1498854)

I did likewise acting on impulse on Friday.
Current status is 'The item is being sent to YOYBuy' updated 15/02.

gerbick

2016-02-15 17:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1498854)

1/ Do I report back my progress, as and when it happens

Report and share that **** homie.

Dave999

2016-02-15 17:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1498871)

Report and share that **** homie.

For people that don't talk street. The missing word is jPad.

gerbick

2016-02-15 17:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1498872)

For people that don't talk street. The missing word is jPad.

You barely speak English, Dave. Don't go around correcting folks when we need translations for some of your posts.

But since we've gone there, I shall rephrase: Please report your findings, impressions and do so with this forum. Your findings shall be a welcome thing as opposed to the cyclic rants.

napaDokc

2016-02-15 17:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1498854)

So the question is :

1/ Do I report back my progress, as and when it happens

please do! looking forward to!

Dave999

2016-02-15 18:02

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1498873)

Man, you were just lectured by a dude with an English street dictionary. Take the defeat and move on to next subject :D

Love your new line much better. Now we just have to wait for his tablet to arrive.

Edit: ohh my English is impeccable when it needs to be... ;)

switch-hitter

2016-02-15 20:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1498857)

Come as you are, as you were, as I want you to be
As a friend, as a friend, as an old enemy
Take your time, hurry up, the choice is yours, don't be late.

Soundy likey

zenecho

2016-02-16 09:08

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Had a email from youbuy.com this morning , my package has arrived with them, paid $62.62 for postage insurance, tax and their fee. Still think I will have to pay UK tax when it arrives here - %20?

tommo

2016-02-16 10:21

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Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1498907)

Had a email from youbuy.com this morning , my package has arrived with them, paid $62.62 for postage insurance, tax and their fee. Still think I will have to pay UK tax when it arrives here - %20?

Ohhh why am I tempted :D

How much have you paid in total ?

billranton

2016-02-16 10:38

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I think you'll all regret it if you don't do it.

https://youtu.be/TVH3IBr_Ipk?t=27

mrsellout

2016-02-16 11:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1498907)

Had a email from youbuy.com this morning , my package has arrived with them, paid $62.62 for postage insurance, tax and their fee. Still think I will have to pay UK tax when it arrives here - %20?

Exactly the same here.

Total cost so far $282.91. I've used a Halifax Clarity credit card which has no currency conversion fees, otherwise you'd add an extra 3%. So it's roughly £200, plus import tax if doesn't slip through.

I declared it's value as $212, which was Taobao's retail price

pichlo

2016-02-16 11:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1498915)

https://youtu.be/TVH3IBr_Ipk?t=27

"This video contains content from Channel 4, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."

Funny C4 should allow the view in Switzerland but not in its own home country.

billranton

2016-02-16 12:05

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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1498923)

"This video contains content from Channel 4, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."

Funny C4 should allow the view in Switzerland but not in its own home country.

Ah sorry! I suppose they block it in the UK because that's where its 4OD service sells it. Well, if you're in the UK, you can guess what it was...

Dave999

2016-02-16 12:27

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February is no longer in scope according to my not so reliable but well hidden source.

Jolla is yet again stalling since they don't know what to do.

Delays are incoming! The scam continues.

Bernard

2016-02-16 14:03

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Does anybody know what Jolla is going to do with the combo perks? (the Jolla phone and tablet). My interpretation would be a refund, just like the other perks (half of total amount in Q1 this year, other half (possibly) within a year), but Jolla didn't address this directly.

What are you going to do with the refund when it arrives (if it arrives)?
I still would like to support the development of a GNU/Linux based distribution on mobile/embedded hardware. So was thinking of either spending it on a Neo900 upgrade, an Ubuntu tablet/phone or a Raspberry Pi with touch display (I'll make up my mind when the funds actually arrive).

LouisDK

2016-02-16 14:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1498915)

I think you'll all regret it if you don't do it.

https://youtu.be/TVH3IBr_Ipk?t=27

So you recommend SailfishOS fans if they want a tablet to buy if off a fishy website in order to get a tablet?

nieldk

2016-02-16 14:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1498933)

So you recommend SailfishOS fans if they want a tablet to buy if off a fishy website in order to get a tablet?

do you see any other option ?

billranton

2016-02-16 14:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1498933)

So you recommend SailfishOS fans if they want a tablet to buy if off a fishy website in order to get a tablet?

I think Jolla should be buying those tablets up in bulk and shipping them off to backers, but that doesn't seem to be an option. They're the only ones available.

gerbick

2016-02-16 16:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1498933)

So you recommend SailfishOS fans if they want a tablet to buy if off a fishy website in order to get a tablet?

Seems like it.

Dave999

2016-02-16 16:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard (Post 1498932)

I would expect that they are handle as the same way as the rest of IIG. But maybe since jolla broke the deal so maybe you should get money before the rest of IGGs or have the option to return the phone?

Either way. It will be delays...

szopin

2016-02-16 21:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1498520)

Can you explain how you measure which one is more mature and polish?

Probably because of opinions like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jolla/comme...urvive/czux10g

Quote:

I have owned both phones for a while now and I ran FFOS on my now long dead Nexus 4. Both the Jolla and Aquaris are "stable" in the sense that they rarely crash. In terms of user experience, the Jolla is vastly superior; the OS is much, much smoother to navigate, there are many more applications available for it and you have the option of running Android applications too which do actually run rather well.
The Ubuntu phone is in all honesty just about usable in terms of lag. Opening something simple like the system settings takes a noticably long time, and this is with nothing else already open. It just isn't snappy enough to be used as a daily driver, in my humble opinion. That said, I like the screen and the battery life seems superior to the Jolla. I also like that the Aquaris is open source, in the true sense of the word.
Both are superior to FireFox OS which I thought never really got going, which is a shame as I loved the concept.
In terms of alternatives, if you find any please let me know.

You can bash communication all you want (except when it comes from haters), but if your flagship just lags, not much else to say, such opinions are dime a dozen, would love to see UT on jolla and the speed it gets

Dave999

2016-02-16 21:11

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Ubuntu is a bit slow, but so is Jolla.

jolla phone is slightly better than Ubuntu atm but Ubuntu has two hw manufactures, ongoing development and a pretty big community from before...while Jolla just stalling.

No one is fast enough to be a daily driver. But if I was forced to use one of the two I would use jPhone today. But might not tomorrow:D

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