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Zoxir 2012-05-15 13:36
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Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1206998)
people are actually more willing to spend money on something they need for doing important stuff.
A certain dead CEO and a certain most valuable company in the world will strongly disagree with you

zimon 2012-05-15 13:41
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A certain dead CEO and a certain most valuable company in the world will strongly disagree with you
I think not. They just understood better what is that "important stuff" for a big group of people.

specc 2012-05-15 14:18
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The newest trends does not look all that bad. In europe WP has 4-7% now, from nothing just a year ago. Android is like a tsunami though. And - iOS is declining :)

http://www.gsmarena.com/kantar_andro...-news-4250.php

Cue 2012-05-15 15:09
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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1207021)
The newest trends does not look all that bad. In europe WP has 4-7% now, from nothing just a year ago. Android is like a tsunami though. And - iOS is declining :)

http://www.gsmarena.com/kantar_andro...-news-4250.php
At the expense of Symbian. What good is that to Nokia? Those who bought Nokia, Nokia Symbian sales have been replaced by lower Nokia WP sales. Good for WP, bad for Nokia. All the while Android extends its lead.

Lumiaman 2012-05-15 15:43
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Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1207029)
At the expense of Symbian. What good is that to Nokia? Those who bought Nokia, Nokia Symbian sales have been replaced by lower Nokia WP sales. Good for WP, bad for Nokia. All the while Android extends its lead.
Symbian is crap. Its good that Symbian is getting replaced. No one in the developed world wants Symbian, given all the other choices. Get with the program

zimon 2012-05-15 15:46
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WP will totally fail to establish itself as the 3rd ecosystem.

Tizen (OSS) will be the 3rd ecosystem, or now when Tizen is going to have Android (ACL) it will both make Android ecosystem stronger and make its own or can maybe even conquer and change the Android ecosystem bringing HTML5 and Qt applications and services.

Lumiaman 2012-05-15 15:47
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Originally Posted by user/zero (Post 1206991)
As much as I hate to say it, it's impossible to deny the continued expansion of the mobile space at the expense of the desktop segment (like danramos clearly pointed out).
Sadly, by this time it's also becoming increasingly clear that almost every other choice than WP for main OS was a better one. Not even factoring in some capital mistakes like asking developers to halt writing apps for your main OS and nonchalantly abandoning another that, for all it was worth, brought a surprise smile on the face of anybody who's had the chance to use it.
I kept thinking that maybe things would sort themselves out, that somehow they would steer themselves on the right track.
But it turns out I was wrong. Share price, market share. Most importantly, mind share.
It is my belief that Maemo, in all of its incarnations, was designed to and indeed would have become the obvious upgrade path for Nokia's high end (and by this I'm not meaning some crappy 2010 processor with a 2009 - N900 - screen resolution).
Were it not for Stephen Elop.
Therefore you are right, Lumiaman, Stephen Elop crushed my mobile phone-related dreams, and also an entire hopeful community's. (that's not to worry, I have a whole lot better things to dream and become excited about).
I will have nothing more to say here. The rest is silence (and I'm afraid, for Nokia too).
You are still missing the point. Despite investing so much into R&D in the PRE-ELOP era, NOKIA came up only with N900. N900 was nice, but plagued with usual NOKIA shenanigans: laggy, jerky, stuttering, freezing, and unpredictable. This has NOTHING to do with ELOP. It had to do with previous NOKIA. ELOP was brought to change things and to change them radically. That is why you bring external person. So stop whining about ELOP, and look at the real causes of what led to Maemo/Meego demise. NOKIA is not software company. Period.

specc 2012-05-15 16:45
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1207033)
Symbian is crap. Its good that Symbian is getting replaced. No one in the developed world wants Symbian, given all the other choices. Get with the program
You really are a troll. Symbian is great. For a decade it was the only mobile OS worth considering. It still is the most widely used smartphone OS in the world. Sadly, time has gone past Symbian. Even so, Belle is the best UI out there, but the core OS is too complicated and time consuming to maintain compared with other OS'es.

Market share only shows current sales. Nokia hasn't made any top Symbian phone in the last year and a half since the N8. That is why Symbian is declining so fast. That is no mystery. The real question is why isn't WP climbing faster. The future for WP is not all black, but it's not exactly bright either because Android is like an unstoppable locomotive gaining more momentum every second.

WP/Nokia may actually squeeze iOS quite a bit, but against Android, no chance.

RFS-81 2012-05-15 19:14
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1206884)
These new Tegra 3 (four/five-core) processors are quickly becoming INCREDIBLY capable of high-end gaming--and they're PORTABLE!
I always wonder how this portability will work in practice, as for any "serious" gaming you'd still need an extra display, a power supply, extra game controllers, a means to connect these all. Also, how does the ever increasing need for more power (gaming), and smaller devices (portable) work together (in a way that non-portable systems can be replaced)? High end gaming systems today come with 1000W power supplies, even entry level systems use hundreds of watts.

Or am I missing something, is there some revolutionary new technology in sight, that will allow future GPUs perform like current high end vidcards with only fraction of their power usage?

switch-hitter 2012-05-15 19:18
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1207033)
Symbian is crap. Its good that Symbian is getting replaced. No one in the developed world wants Symbian, given all the other choices. Get with the program
Symbian sold on hundreds of millions of devices right around the globe, it was the biggest selling smartphone OS in every single quarter ever (that included around 16 quarters head to head with iOS) right up until the moment Elop publicly executed it.

Compare that to the itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny little sales numbers for WP7, even with the best manufacturers in the mobile industry making extremely nice hardware for it (much better hardware than Symbian ever enjoyed) WP7 still hardly gets any takers.

If NOKIA's new feature phones don't cut it now they're dust, WP7 will have killed them.

Despite NOKIA making (imo) the finest looking smartphone in the entire history of the cosmos it's not selling well because it's running a functionally limited OS with a UI that looks like it was designed by my two year old with his building blocks.


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