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Please tell me what you could do with an iPhone that you couldn't do with a nokia 6600?

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http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3...&idPhone2=1827

Use the real Web instead just a web optimized for mobile.
And use it WYSIWYG-style with touches, panning, zooming, clicking.

GUI in the first iPhone was understandable even to "common people" and there was not N level hierarchies of menuitems to navigate to do something.

Before iPhone there was Blackberry which already was a winner for non technical people. Using email in BB was alot easier than with phones Nokia used to ship (except communicator which was too expensive)

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Have you ever tried it? It's absolute torture!

JavaScript frameworks like QooxDoo and JQuery have introduced UI components especially designed for mobiles because trying to use 'the real web' on such a small screen sucks BIG TIME!


That was not too difficult to do with such a limited device - additional functionality brings with it greater complexity. Just rtfm, it wont kill you. This incessant dumbing-down of everything in order to cater for the lowest common denominator is not something to be pleased about.

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Boy there are some dead enders here, who still profess that symbian is great. Yes, it was great, 5 years ago. 5 years is a lifetime. Move on. Symbian IS DEAD.

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thats why we european companys are stupid. 'hey, lets drop maemo anf foss and our own inovations, lets us sell out company and fire 12000 people and pay for wp licenses instead.' Stupid nokia!! Who cares if wp is selling more in european if Nokia continue go down in rest of the world??

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The shareholders do!

Shareholder wants profit. Don't care where the company is located, what os they are using or how many people they fire. It's all about the money!

SHOW ME THE MONEY!

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There is no money in Nokia shares. Unless you are short, everyone lost holding NOK shares.

NOK closed at $2.89 at the NYSE today, down another 5% from yesterday. Down after they presented their "connecting the next billion" - devices in Pakistan.

I am beginning to wonder if there will be a buy out / break up soon as Nokia's parts presumably are worth more than Nokia as an ongoing concern. At least this is the only realistic hope for existing shareholders to get parts of their money back.

Or will Nokia just die like Kodak did. One day undisputed ruler, next day down and out destroyed by arrogance, wrong strategies and badder than worse execution. Dumped by their "friends" in Seattle lead by the the worst CEO (according to Forbes). If Ballmer is the worst, where does Flop rank?

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Symbian IS great. It is the greatest mobile OS ever to have existed. It is being surpassed right now by - Android. By any definition of greatness (commercially) there have been two mobile OS'es: Symbian and Android. Everything ELSE is crap.

A more detailed analysis shows lots of smaller OS'es with great commercial potential. Even more detailed analysis shows greatness in UI (iOS, Swipe/Harmattan), openness (Maemo), and so on.

For all practical purposes (regardless of reason), what Nokia has done is to kill the greatest mobile OS ever to have existed; Symbian. They have killed one of potentially greatest OSes; Maemo/MeeGo, and has gone for the least successful mobile OS of all time: WP. Maybe WP will have some success, time will show, but so far the only ones who like WP/Nokia are those who have gone tired of iOS. Old Symbian/Nokia users flock to Android, along with every old Samsung user, BB user, SE user, LG .... The war is over. Android has won, for better or worse, whether we like it or not. All that is left for Nokia is to fight over the scraps with Apple, and that is not exactly a recipe for success on the stock market.

This week the Lumia 610 came into the shelves. That phone could have been the turning point, but it is priced too high. It cannot compete with similarly priced Androids, it cannot even compete with the existing Symbian phones. The N8 costs roughly the same, and it is a MUCH better phone in all respects. It can't even compete with the Lumia 710. Right now the 710 costs less. But, I will give them the benefit of the doubt, the 610 looks real good, so maybe. The Lumia 800 is dead. The Lumia 900 has taken over.

It is increasingly harder to understand what Nokia is doing. They should be creating the third ecosystem, but they try to do it with overpriced HW. Why?

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Contract with Microsoft is like poison pills in Nokia, so Nokia is not interesting even to be taken over. Microsoft has Nokia by the balls still for 4 years.

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And a Nokia 6600 has many features an iPhone 4S doesn't : real multitasking, open Bluetooth, external card memory, microkernel, Python programming on device (PyS60), etc.